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Out of touch are we? The possibility of a WiFi bug is the leading rumor right now.

Yup - my guess is also that the wi-fi issue is the reason for any delay. I've been using a number of the 4.2 releases, including the 8C134 build GM, on my iPad and wi-fi is seriously broken.

If Apple were to release this build to the general public all hell would break loose...
 
Yup - my guess is also that the wi-fi issue is the reason for any delay. I've been using a number of the 4.2 releases, including the 8C134 build GM, on my iPad and wi-fi is seriously broken.

If Apple were to release this build to the general public all hell would break loose...

I have the GM installed and haven't noticed any wifi issues, though I am using it in my living room near my router. Is it a range problem?
 
Yup - my guess is also that the wi-fi issue is the reason for any delay. I've been using a number of the 4.2 releases, including the 8C134 build GM, on my iPad and wi-fi is seriously broken.

If Apple were to release this build to the general public all hell would break loose...

+1

I've had every beta and GM since 2.0. Within 2 minutes of installing the 4.2 GM, I knew this would the FIRST GM that does not get pushed out as the final build. Wifi has issues. Fewer issues than when the iPad launched in April, however.
 
On the Apple website, it says 4.2 coming November, and includes AirPrint. so, we can expect Airprint in November...

It would be feasible to buy an iPad/iPhone/iPod on the strength of this advertised feature, so where would you stand if it was not delivered?
 
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@mosx: man, you are so Full of pc thinking. I don't care whether you are able to build a cheaper, faster pc. What os will it be running? Some creepy Windows trash? Or Linux? I need a computer to work with, not to work in it! You only Look at the hardware stats. There is no cheaper alternative to the iMac, MacBook (Especially Air) or mini. Do you really think you are smarter than the millions of happy Apple users over the last 10 years? Stick to your pc, i bet you do Not even own an iPad. Nothing but trolling.

Then YOU are smarter than the People buying hundreds of millions of Winows based pcs and work with them every day?
 
This delay just proves Apple has abandoned the Mac and kill Mac OS within 5 years. I can't believe it's true but it is so obvious now. Apple only cares about iOS.

(OK I just wanted to join in the stupidity of this thread with my own ridiculous contribution.)
Mac OS X will be gone as we know it in ~2.5 years, and the public will be stuck with iOS. The only "ridiculous" thing in your statement is that you think it's so far off.
 
I think with all the issues in the past just trying to get the update for an iPhone and iPod touches, maybe iPhone users get it today, then a break and then iPad users turn to download on Tuesday to alleviate all the bandwidth and connections. Arent there like 10 million iPads out there on top of the 50 million iPhones? Also maybe the North Carolina Farm will be running next week?
 
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Then YOU are smarter than the People buying hundreds of millions of Winows based pcs and work with them every day?

Hundred's of Millions shop at Wal-Mart...doesn't mean they're smart...LOL...

This is like the foreign car market vs. the US car market argument. Ford must be better than Mercedes and Lexus, because they sell more cars than them.

It boils down to personal preference AND quality. If you can afford something better, even if you perceive it is better, then why not?
 
but why are these bugs only now coming to light what has apple been doing for the past five months ? 4.2 was announced back in april/may 4.0 was then released in june for the iphone. Why leave it to the month of november to do all this testing just before the release. Theres been so many false starts with this ios including the bug that delayed it on the 2nd november. I hope this latest delay might make apple think again about about the process of releasing a new ios. why delay adding features until the very final beta this will only lead to problems.
 
One thing I noticed with the GM is that there is no Airplay icon for me when I am watching a video, listening to music, etc. I am assuming that is because I don't have an Apple TV or other Airplay compatible device, but can anyone with experience confirm that is the case?
 
On the Apple website, it says 4.2 coming November, and includes AirPrint. so, we can expect Airprint in November...

It would be feasible to buy an iPad/iPhone/iPod on the strength of this advertised feature, so where would you stand if it was not delivered?

Apple would get a M$ sized black eye if it did not deliver iOS 4.2 by Nov 30. iOS 4.2 will be pushed out in Nov. It's the safest bet going.

As for AirPrint, that is part of 4.2, so it's coming in Nov too. But Apple has coyly redefined AirPrint's capabilities. The blurb on the iOS 4.2 web page is so broad as to be worthless, which is what the first iteration of AirPrint is likely to be unless you own one of a few HP printers... or you do the "hack."
 
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Any word on whether they are correcting the Bluetooth issues experienced by owners of Nokia headsets (my BH-905s won't even pair ever since 4.1: http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2574608&start=0&tstart=0)

I think Apple intentionally excluding Nokia headset owners because of their lawsuit.
 
I have the GM installed and haven't noticed any wifi issues, though I am using it in my living room near my router. Is it a range problem?

Nope - not a range issue. I get the same issues if used in the same room as my router or on the other side of the house.

Essentially all connectivity is lost after two or three minutes of browsing - even though the wi-fi indicator in the top left still shows connected. When this happens, the only way to kickstart things again is to turn off wi-fi in the Settings app and then turn on again.

I was able to ease the issue by changing my Network settings on the iPad from a DHCP-assigned IP address to a Static IP address. This enables me to maintain a connection for much longer (30-40 mins) but it's still a problem...
 
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Then YOU are smarter than the People buying hundreds of millions of Winows based pcs and work with them every day?

Hundred's of Millions shop at Wal-Mart...doesn't mean they're smart...LOL...

This is like the foreign car market vs. the US car market argument. Ford must be better than Mercedes and Lexus, because they sell more cars than them.

It boils down to personal preference AND quality. If you can afford something better, even if you perceive it is better, then why not?

My point was that you can't say it's smart to buy a Mac because tens of millions do it, if you are going to use number of buyers as an argument, you can't really use it for a platform with a marketshare that small. By that logic a PC user should be roughly 9 times smarter than a Mac user
 
Nope - not a range issue. I get the same issues if used in the same room as my router or on the other side of the house.

Essentially all connectivity is lost after two or three minutes of browsing - even though the wi-fi indicator in the top left still shows connected. When this happens, the only way to kickstart things again is to turn off wi-fi in the Settings app and then turn on again.

I was able to ease the issue by changing my Network settings on the iPad from a DHCP-assigned IP address to a Static IP address. This enables me to maintain a connection for much longer (30-40 mins) but it's still a problem...

Good explanation, and good tip. Thanks. I will assign a static IP if I run into the issue.
 
*edit out a bunch of mac bashing*


Edit: To put it in perspective, we're about two and a half months away from the one year anniversary original iPad announcement. And we're still running the same software shown in that demo. In that same time, the iPhone and iPod touch lines have received two significant software upgrades that have changed how those devices are being used.

My iPad, that cost me over $400 more than my iPhone 4, sits basically unused because the lack of multi-tasking and non-working EQ for music kills its usability for anything other than being a very expensive eReader.

So you posted in the iPad forums you are using 4.2GM but here you tell us that you are not using your iPad because you don't have multitasking on it.

Which is it? Do you have 4.2GM on it or are you waiting? And if you do have 4.2GM why are you complaining about not having multitasking?
 
Nope - not a range issue. I get the same issues if used in the same room as my router or on the other side of the house.

Essentially all connectivity is lost after two or three minutes of browsing - even though the wi-fi indicator in the top left still shows connected. When this happens, the only way to kickstart things again is to turn off wi-fi in the Settings app and then turn on again.

I was able to ease the issue by changing my Network settings on the iPad from a DHCP-assigned IP address to a Static IP address. This enables me to maintain a connection for much longer (30-40 mins) but it's still a problem...

But if they knew about this, then the GM should have been just another RC. But it was the GM. I'm not saying the release version won't have wifi issues, but I think the Nov. 16th date is just the date, not a delay to make the fix. After all, if Apple were rolling in the fix devs would be seeing a new RC, then a new GM. Or so I'd figure.

Me, I just want to try AirPlay from my iPad and iPhone 4, see if it's a worthier solution than DLNA-server -> game console from my Mac, which I'm currently using, and check if AirPrint will work with my HP laser shared not via a Mac/PC but via an Airport Extreme.
 
The delay doesn't surprise me. I attempted to install the GM on my wife's iPad and it would regularly crash when I restored the backup. It would work if I didn't restore a backup and worked when I synced the applications and stuff (losing the personal data stored on the iPad), but not with the regular update method.

-Aaron-
 
Being somebody who bought an iPad on launch day, it was a little too late to return it by the time the iPhone 4 was announced and it was clear that every single iPad owner had just been shafted.



As I said, this isn't a case of the product being released one year then being revised a year later. Jobs and others knew exactly where they were going with the iPhone, iPod touch, and eventually the iPad. But they intentionally held the iPad back for sake of profit margins. Within days of the iPad's release, we get word of iOS 4 and it not being ready for the iPad for several months after initial launch. Then a few weeks later we see iPhone 4, making it clear that all iOS devices will have dual cameras and "FaceTime".

Why didn't the iPad ship with this? Because it's better to debut it with the iPhone 4, since that is Apple's biggest money maker, and try to get as many iPad early adopters to upgrade next year.



Well, I hate to break it to you, but the only thing that sets the Xeon apart from Core i7 is the ability to use ECC memory. Apple uses the same chipsets and such as everyone else. In some cases, Apple uses lower quality parts than others. Case in point would be the Panasonic (Matsushita) DVD writers.

Contrary to popular belief among Apple forums, GOOD PC parts can be had for dirt cheap compared to Macs. Once you have all of those parts it barely takes a few minutes to throw the entire computer together. Installing the OS? Well, considering how much bloat OS X ships with (Several GB worth of printer drivers still installed in Snow Leopard, as well as language translations and other things), you have to reinstall OS X as soon as you get a Mac. So installing the OS and downloading updates is a moot point considering OS X has you download a few GB worth of updates out of the box. I just reinstalled Snow Leopard recently, when iLife '11 came out. Wanted a clean start. I still had over 2GB worth of updates to download.



Had my iPad on launch day. Didn't find out about FaceTime and such until I was weeks passed the return window.

Didn't find out about iOS 4 until half way into that return window and didn't think we'd be waiting until almost the end of the year to finally get that update. Thought September at most, since that is usually what Apple refers to as "Fall".

Edit: To put it in perspective, we're about two and a half months away from the one year anniversary original iPad announcement. And we're still running the same software shown in that demo. In that same time, the iPhone and iPod touch lines have received two significant software upgrades that have changed how those devices are being used.

My iPad, that cost me over $400 more than my iPhone 4, sits basically unused because the lack of multi-tasking and non-working EQ for music kills its usability for anything other than being a very expensive eReader.

Good grief. If your iPad is sitting around not being used, then you never ever needed it in the first place. Period. I used my iPad everyday until it got multitasking (more than 2 months ago for anyone with $99). Still using it.

Plus the entire rant on it's lack of iphone 4 features is just a silly representation of a lack of understanding: marketing, demographics, price, feature-rollout-schedules, etc.

(p.s. You understand that the EQ in iOS is not a real audio EQ, it's just a novelty that does nothing but distort music. What's wrong with the tracks/ears you're using that you need to EQ at playback end? On iOS/iPods, flat EQ = gold. )
 
...After all, if Apple were rolling in the fix devs would be seeing a new RC, then a new GM. Or so I'd figure.

Me, I just want to try AirPlay from my iPad and iPhone 4, see if it's a worthier solution than DLNA-server -> game console from my Mac, which I'm currently using, and check if AirPrint will work with my HP laser shared not via a Mac/PC but via an Airport Extreme.

Not necessarily. Apple often tweaks a GM to tighten up security or fix a h/w issue w/o rolling out another RC. Personally I haven't seen the WiFi issue, but enough have that it's probably worth Apple's time to look into the issue before releasing.

As for AirPrint, unless you have one of the HP ePrint inkjets, Airprint will be a no-go for direct printing w/o a Mac.
 
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