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iOS 5 to Finally Deliver Over-The-Air Updates?

xxBURT0Nxx said:
agreed... and even if this wireless sync comes to existance it will be a waste. I'd way rather have a thunderbolt connector on the next set of iDevices than wireless sync. No point in being wireless if i have to leave it on a charger so the battery isn't half dead 3 hours later when it's done syncing. Why people would prefer that is beyond me :D
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Well if i only needed few hundreds of MB of data and stuf like calendars and contacts or emails to sync it's a nice addition. That's basically what i would use it for.
 
Unless it's an entirely new OS, like iOS 5 for example, it should be able to recognize what version your device is running and download only the essential features of the following update. Having to download the entire OS (which is over 600mb) every single time is a bit ridiculous.
 
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isnt it obvs. u wont have to download the entire OS again and only rather the updates. lets say iOS 5 is nearly an GB which u still install with itunes. bug fixes etc could be very well be under 5mb
 
Apple needs to step up to the plate with ios5. The iPhone as it is, is good enough for most punters. Tweaking the hardware won't make a huge difference. Ipad2 a perfect example, nice upgrade but not essential. iOS is beginning to look a little dated and needs a major update rather than a few tweaks
 
Verizon iPhone Carrier Magic? Neh. But whatever makes you switch. LOL.

MacRumors said:
https://www.macrumors.com/2011/05/04/ios-5-to-finally-deliver-over-the-air-updates/Image


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According to 9to5Mac, Apple is negotiating with Verizon about delivering over-the-air iOS updates starting with iOS 5.An over-the-air update system would allow users to download the iOS update directly to their phone over 3G or Wi-Fi and update their phone to the latest version without connecting to iTunes. Android devices already offer this feature.

Due to the high bandwidth requirement, it seems Apple needs to negotiate deals with individual carriers to allow such a system to take place. We should note that Apple's iOS is partially capable of this functionality already. The Apple TV which is based on iOS 4 offers "over the air" updates with no iTunes syncing required. The Apple TV, however, stores little customer data so backups are not as critical as with iPhone and iPad devices. :eek:

Article Link: iOS 5 to Finally Deliver Over-The-Air Updates?
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wordoflife said:
Wouldn't be a bad idea. Even if they just made "patches" so we aren't downloading half a gb of updates every 2 weeks.
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sciwizam said:
Blow through your data cap with 650MB downloads for every point update? Not happening until Apple can deliver smaller downloads for updates.
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:rolleyes: I'm starting to get the feeling that people are finding that the Verizon iPhone 4 wasn't all they thought it would be. Granted that the voice quality is better; remember you cannot use 3G while on the phone with Verizon and also remember that phones are more like 'personal communicators' these days. Now that Internet caps are being introduced, everyone is going to loose, just as a Predicted. You have more & more apps that rely heavily on cloud based content that need 3G web access. This is why I kept my AT&T grandfathered Unlimited Data Plan for both my iPhone 4 as well as my wife's iPhone 4 & my iPad 2.
On the new iPad, unlimited cell internet is awesome. You can watch movies from anywhere, etc. all without worrying about your bandwidth or throttle limitations. :apple:
 
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What about AT&T customers? :(
 
shannonw6290 said:
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What about AT&T customers? :(
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I am also on AT&T for 2 iPhone 4's and my iPad 2 with AT&T 3G (unlimited data); make sure that if you still have your unlimited data plan for your iPhone or iPad not to give it up no matter what :apple:
 
jesusplay said:
300-600 mb over the air?

:rolleyes:
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Yes, completely unacceptable! Over a typical WiFi network, it may take a massive 600 MB / 10 Mbps = 8 minutes! That's a conservative estimate. My DSL connection is at 18 Mbps.

Then it's a greater problem for those who have data caps in my opinion. But that's not a new problem for those, and downloading iOS updates. It's just that this time it doesn't need to pass through iTunes first.
 
themanfromvlad said:
This is complete bullcrap, people. Over the air updates will come, but over WiFi. Doing this over 3G makes no sense.
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Haha, yes... When I typed my reply above, I didn't even consider 3G. Come on guys... LOL :D

This will obviously be intended for WLAN's. Apple doesn't even do *FaceTime* over 3G.
 
For all those saying 'It won't be over 3G' thats an assumption based on the current system.

For any OTA solution to work even thinking of using the current system would be foolish. Therefore its safe to assume that should this go ahead they have developed a system to push out only the required changes, such as those seen on BlackBerry's and Android devices which utilise 3G and WLAN.

Also, both of these solutions use your data allowance so why would this be any different? You have to accept a warning that this may use your data allowance and then you start the process.

However, I don't see them pushing full new versions of iOS OTA. I exepect it will only be minor updates.
 
I don't really think it's a big deal to have to connect your iDevice to your computer to update firmware every so often. You're going to have to connect it to sync anyways. However, I'll probably use this feature. That is, if it'll be available for AT&T customers?
 
Useless for me with the iPhone. I charge it via USB anyway, so will just do sync'ing and updates then. Doesn't solve any problems.

With the iPad however, it does help since USB charging is so slow. I don't sync my iPad that often as a result. Although I hope this really means wireless sync'ing, updates are infrequent enough that I don't really care if I have to plug it in.
 
For those complaining about costs - ever thought that maybe the whole purpose of negotiation is for the carrier to host and distribute those updates free of charge to end users rather than chewing up customer's monthly traffic allowance?
 
Happiness all around about the good news. I look at Microsoft and how they ****ed up lots of customers' Windows 7 phones by over-the-air updates. And since these guys at Microsoft are not nearly as stupid as people on MacRumors would like to believe, it seems that over the air updates just have a huge potential for ***ing up someone's iPhone or iPad as well. Starting with firmware updates that you really, really only should perform when connected to a strong and stable power source. I think Apple wouldn't want a million customers with bricked iPhones or iPads. And if Apple's engineers think they can pull this off without bricking any iPhone, then hopefully their manager asks them "so what makes you think you are smarter than the guys at Microsoft"? The Microsoft guys were quite sure they could do it, and they messed it up, twice.

Now we add that the size of an iOS update is quite big compared to most people's monthly 3G data allowance, and I think this is a pipe dream.

TheE3Guy said:
Unless it's an entirely new OS, like iOS 5 for example, it should be able to recognize what version your device is running and download only the essential features of the following update. Having to download the entire OS (which is over 600mb) every single time is a bit ridiculous.
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Every time engineers are trying to be clever they run the risk of messing things up. Taking the old iOS, removing it completely, and installing a completely new, fresh iOS is safe and risk free. Trying to be clever and replace only the right things risks messing up things and leaving a very, very, very unhappy customer.
 
MrNomNoms said:
For those complaining about costs - ever thought that maybe the whole purpose of negotiation is for the carrier to host and distribute those updates free of charge to end users rather than chewing up customer's monthly traffic allowance?
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I wanna know how that will work for the rest of the world carriers....
 
ciTiger said:
This is great news unless it's automatic patches which mess up the jailbreak...
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Automatic, without user authentication would not make sense. Apple has never issued updates or installed anything without user interaction. That would open the OS up to security risks. So, it wont be automatic.

Over 3G? No thank you. Wireless on WiFi is fine.
 
ok that seems nice, but..
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where's the bluetooth syncing?
it's four years people were asking for bluetooth syncing...
what's the problem with it? i don't want to unplug the cable from behind the bed, plug it to the computer just to upload my calendar, music, contacts.
..oh, ok, i've got it. maybe they just want me to subscribe to mobileMe.
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i'm sick of castrated technology, i'd like to use them at their full possibilities.
 
Popeye206 said:
Automatic, without user authentication would not make sense. Apple has never issued updates or installed anything without user interaction. That would open the OS up to security risks. So, it wont be automatic.

Over 3G? No thank you. Wireless on WiFi is fine.
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Automatic as in do now or do later but must do until a certain time has passed.
Given their firmware signing they must have something like that...
 
haruhiko said:
If a >=20MB app install needs to be done through WiFi, why a 500-6XXMB system update can be done through 3G?

I don't think so. Most likely it will be WiFi-only.
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3G or 4G- my ISP would thank me for all the bandwidth $, but at least freedom from the umbilical cord would be great, thanks android for forcing apple making our iToys better

:D
 
Friscohoya said:
This makes the iPad a real computer not some parasite that feeds off it's host computer for life.
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The iPad, no matter how parasitic it is, is still a real computer. :rolleyes:

And wow at all the people "finding problems" with OTA updates. Android has been at it for years on many carriers and with many different data caps in place, rooted phones, phones with custom ROMs, etc.. and yet none of those guys whine about OTA updates. The Apple crowd really needs to get with it. It's optional people, it is for Android, no reason it wouldn't be for iPhone.

Options are good.
 
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