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I have a iPhone 5 with iOS 7 Beta 2, is it possible to upgrade to beta 5 with OTA without UDID registration? Or do I have to first restore to 6.1.4 first?

Thanks!
 
Hands down the thing I would like to see in iOS is when you clear a text/notification from notification center it clears it/marks it as read inside the respective app.

I hate having to click through every email to mark them as read.
 
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i hate what they did to the music player app.

when are they going to add back in the scroll alphabetically bar on the right side of the music player app? i have a very large library. one artist has over 250 albums (including lots of live albums). i don't need to see every track for every album listed. show me the albums and then when i find the one that i want i will click on it to display only those tracks.

I agree. The iOS 7 music app is an absolute disaster for large libraries. It was obviously designed for and by somebody who has 200 tracks in their library. The kind of person who downloads one song per album. The iOS 6 music app was fantastic for larger libraries. This is a horrible step back and for me nearly unusable. At least they could have an option to have the albums be collapsed instead of giving you no choice but to scroll through an endless list of tracks.

Uh... Album view is under "More..." !
I think you can move the "Albums" icon to the bottom bar (for instance, replace the "Songs" icon). You guys obviously didn't play with the beta enough.
 
All this flip-flopping of design changes in the UI suggest to me that they don't have a clear idea on what they want. I know it's beta software but I don't recall any previous UI flip-flopping like this in betas. They knew what they wanted and stuck with it.

This doesn't fill me with confidence because it seems that the design they released back at WWDC was cobbled together at the last minute, or at least that they hadn't given it full thought. FWIW, the new white slide button icons are nice.

Exactly. I have been reading this whole thread and can't believe how far behind they are. This won't be out until 2014 at this rate. Most of what I have read is also not for the better.
 
All this flip-flopping of design changes in the UI suggest to me that they don't have a clear idea on what they want. I know it's beta software but I don't recall any previous UI flip-flopping like this in betas. They knew what they wanted and stuck with it.

This doesn't fill me with confidence because it seems that the design they released back at WWDC was cobbled together at the last minute, or at least that they hadn't given it full thought. FWIW, the new white slide button icons are nice.

In my opinnion they are trying various combination of design and listening beta testers, IT websites opinions and etc feedbacks. They can come back in beta 6 again with previous design and etc. They choose what the majority of iOS users wants that's all.
 
It is getting slightly better, but overall I think the UI is a train wreak. Its so bland, boring and has no life. I understand going minimal and flat, but they dialed it down 45% too much.
 
All this flip-flopping of design changes in the UI suggest to me that they don't have a clear idea on what they want. I know it's beta software but I don't recall any previous UI flip-flopping like this in betas. They knew what they wanted and stuck with it.

This doesn't fill me with confidence because it seems that the design they released back at WWDC was cobbled together at the last minute, or at least that they hadn't given it full thought. FWIW, the new white slide button icons are nice.

The original iOS and other minor refinements were created from a clean slate. Even if they didn't flip-flop, some of the concepts may already be outdated. They need to leap to the next level.

As long as they don't flip-flop on the design concepts, I think they should try different implementation ideas, and find the right balance between battery life, performance and usability.
 
Unfortunately, the majority will neither enjoy iOS7 nor iOS6. Most people have always preferred Android and Windows. And a lot of them even like Gingerbread and XP the most. Also most people are Chinese. Most people believe in Catholicism. Most people can not afford a phone of any kind.

So tell me how the world works without referring to science. The majority had already given up on Apple a long time ago. But they came back with advancements in human interface design based on applied research findings on human–machine interaction. Design is how it works. And it just works.

That's still the main competitive advantage of the whole company. And it is not based on majority taste, but on design truth. Democracy is just a man-made principle of decision making. And not a very good one. Nothing in nature works that way. While there is monarchism in wildlife.

You < majority. Apple decisions > your preference.
 
It is getting slightly better, but overall I think the UI is a train wreak. Its so bland, boring and has no life. I understand going minimal and flat, but they dialed it down 45% too much.

I disagree. The last two betas are very polished and everything looks fresh and modern. The OS has life and motion, with all the translucency and animations.
It is surely a big departure from iOS 6 and I understand that people will have different opinions on the new design, since it is polarizing.
iOS 7 is not exactly flat. Only the icons are actually. It has depth and motion, so I cannot call it flat.
It has a simple, but very beautiful design. I tried to go back to iOS 6 a couple of weeks ago, and the difference is so big, I thought iOS 6 is outdated.
 
Using a moon image for "Do Not Disturb" isn't any better than our old friend skeuomorphism.

wrong. symbology and iconography are different beasts than skeuomorpism. all of which have their use cases.
 
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It is getting slightly better, but overall I think the UI is a train wreak. Its so bland, boring and has no life. I understand going minimal and flat, but they dialed it down 45% too much.

The translucent and transparent effects plus bland look may look too spaced out at first.

Use it for a while.

Before you know it, you'll find that the existing UIs (including Android and Windows) are too gaudy.

My original problem was that the text were too thin, it's much better now. If they keep refining this for usability, it should be good. The new color-coded Settings icons are great too.

Many of the existing apps and OS services are already more powerful (or more usable) in iOS7 than previous iOSes. Now they should hunt for the shortfalls, and any stuff they missed.
 
All this flip-flopping of design changes in the UI suggest to me that they don't have a clear idea on what they want.

they haven't flip flopped -- it hasn't even been released yet. it's a beta and things often change during betas.

I know it's beta software

remind yourself. often.

but I don't recall any previous UI flip-flopping like this in betas.

the future is not limited to the past.

This doesn't fill me with confidence

apple has the best selling and mot profitable handset in the world. I don't think they're going to sweat your lack of confidence...seems like they have things figured out pretty well on their own, don't you think?
 
Gudi said:
Unfortunately, the majority will neither enjoy iOS7 nor iOS6. Most people have always preferred Android and Windows. And a lot of them even like Gingerbread and XP the most. Also most people are Chinese. Most people believe in Catholicism. Most people can not afford a phone of any kind.

So tell me how the world works without referring to science. The majority had already given up on Apple a long time ago. But they came back with advancements in human interface design based on applied research findings on human–machine interaction. Design is how it works. And it just works.

That's still the main competitive advantage of the whole company. And it is not based on majority taste, but on design truth. Democracy is just a man-made principle of decision making. And not a very good one. Nothing in nature works that way. While there is monarchism in wildlife.

Must be daydreaming. XP and Gingerbread are way way outdated.

Many people use Windows because it's cheap or forced/trained by companies. Doesn't necessarily they are better. I switched from Mac to Windows, and then back. Not going back to Windows for the foreseeable future.

Majority have given up on Windows. They may give up on Android too because of malware. At least Windows is not fragmented.

Even Samsung is trying to create its own ecosystem instead of relying on the fragmented Android.
 
The translucent and transparent effect plus bland look may look too spaced out at first.

Use it for a while.

Before you know it, you'll find that the existing UIs (including Android and Windows) are too gaudy.

My original problem was that the text were too thin, it's much better now. If they keep refining this for usability, it should be good. The new color-coded Settings icons are great too.

Many of the existing apps and OS services are already more powerful (or more usable) in iOS7 than previous iOSes. Now they should hunt for the shortfalls, and any stuff they missed.
I agree, but the apps aren't really more powerful. Look at the calendar and contacts apps for example. Especially the calendar app is worse than before.
 
Apple largely ignores what the customer wants. That's the reason people spin it by repeating the line about how brilliant Steve was by creating what people wanted before they knew they needed it.

people don't spin it. design visionaries just work that way. here, some spin about Henry T. Ford:

"If I’d asked people what they wanted, they would have asked for a faster horse."
 
I'm sorry, it must be my fault as the customer for voicing my opinion about design flaws. I didn't realize that I was supposed to be perfectly happy with whatever Apple makes and see no design flaws. Actually read what I wrote instead of taking personal offense that I've seen some design changes that aren't good, thoughtful design that needs to be changed as an improvement rather than a change for changes sake. I'm a customer of Apple's so my opinion is valid and by no means does it require that I become a majority shareholder of theirs to voice that opinion. See the step back they've taken with their new folder UI changes and how it affects both UI design and user experience. Both the folder function and dock blurriness is a step back to me as a customer and maybe you need to quit thinking you and Apple are the only ones that matter when it comes to design. If you like that design, great. Apple is not and never will be perfect or immune from making bad decisions.

Does it ever occur to you that things you dislike may be liked by other people who also happen to be Apple customers??
 
people don't spin it. design visionaries just work that way. here, some spin about Henry T. Ford:

"If I’d asked people what they wanted, they would have asked for a faster horse."

Just to add to this - who knew they needed an iPad before the iPad came along?

If you want to know why Apple doesn't listen to people's opinions on design - it's because people will always be fixated on what we have now. We don't like change. Here's a good example - if Apple had asked for people's opinions on how to design the iPad before they released it, this story would be very different: http://gizmodo.com/5832749/what-tablets-looked-like-before-the-ipad-and-what-they-look-like-now (and they did that without any outside help).

I'd like to know how many people bitching in here are actually developers who are legitimately using the beta for testing their own apps. 0.1% maybe?
 
I agree, but the apps aren't really more powerful. Look at the calendar and contacts apps for example. Especially the calendar app is worse than before.

In what ways ? The new Calendar can show me the year view but the old one could not.

Apple largely ignores what the customer wants. That's the reason people spin it by repeating the line about how brilliant Steve was by creating what people wanted before they knew they needed it.

That's the wrong way to characterize it. Apple give what most people want. Then leave some room for 3rd party developers to specialize on their platform. That's why it has a vibrant developer community.

Companies like Microsoft and Google want the best app space for themselves. MS has MS Office and other enterprise services. No one else offer office apps. Google basically want every major app categories for themselves. That's why they bought the most popular apps. They didn't even want to let Apple have a full feature Maps app. So Apple kicked them out and started to build one themselves.

people don't spin it. design visionaries just work that way. here, some spin about Henry T. Ford:

"If I’d asked people what they wanted, they would have asked for a faster horse."

People like Steve Jobs and Jonathan Ive have to push their vision through a large organization into the marketplace. They usually have to stay a few steps ahead of the consumers, and also be consistent.

They will listen to the customer needs, internalize them and then package the solution in their own way.
 
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It's even funnier that my Android is faster than my friend's iOS6 on iPhone 5.

not your scrolling.

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Lol, yeah that's a good way to run a business. Ignore what your customers want.

"If I’d asked people what they wanted, they would have asked for a faster horse."

also, us phone geeks are not the target market. the millions and millions and millions of average users are.
 
wrong. symbology and iconography are different beasts than skeuomorpism. all of which have their use cases.

Yes, I think we need a good balance and mix of different techniques. Even in iOS7, they can't run away from the camera icon.
 
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