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Why is fast adoption such a good thing though? In the apple Camp everyone seems to fall all over themselves jumping on the latest version, but if there's nothing in the new version you want, why upgrade?

On the Apple side, it seems everything is tied into OS version. You upgrade the OS, you have to use the new crippled iWork apps. You have to buy a new copy of parallels, etc. And now you even have to upgrade your bootcamp to windows 8 if you use the latest OS.

Unless you really follow the developments closely, upgrading is just asking for trouble too. Gatekeeper messed up a lot of people who didn't know it existed but suddenly couldn't install apps they'd been using for years.
Gatekeeper doesn't keep you from installing third party apps. It's a security feature with several options. A) Only install apps from App Store. B) Only install apps from companies with a valid certificate stating their app won't burn down your house and murder your children. C) Install whatever you want.
 
I don't see the point of upgrading for the sake of upgrading.

My iPhone 4 did everything I needed but is finally becoming a bit slow over the past six months so will probably upgrade this Christmas. And even then I'll likely jump to a 5S.

My Mac laptop is on 10.8.5 because it just works and I have no need to upgrade it. Plus the software I use doesn't work beyond Mavericks so I won't be shifting for a very long time.
 
That's better than upgrade your phone. Find out if lags so bad you want to throw it at the wall - buy a new phone...

Or... Not. I'm using a 3GS and 4S as Ipods and you can guess that they're pretty old... And dont lag. Though the 3GS seems to be having a memory chip problem for the last year (was working on 6.1.6 without a hitch for 2 years before that) which makes it reboot once in a while. But, hey, it's 6.5 years old, that's a 100 in dog years.
 
If Android versions don't really matter... why does Google hold a big conference every year to introduce a new version?

Google is gearing up to "launch" Android Marshmallow... yet it won't have any appreciable adoption until 2017

And even then it will only be installed on about 40% of Android devices.

Like you said... core apps get updated frequently. So what does a "new version" of Android actually give you?
I think they update it every year for the same reasons Apple does. Add new features, upgrade functionality, design changes, etc. With Google not handling hardware and software they wisely divested the core app functionality from being tied to a complete OS overhaul. You can already get the Marshmallow Launcher for devices as old as Gingerbread. One of the most important updates from Marshmallow will be iOS-like app permissions for the Play Store. Regardless of the OS version, everyone will get it, along with updates to GMail, GMaps, etc. People survive and thrive for years on Android and iOS without updating to the latest OS. Adoption rates are pretty meaningless as a consumer facing metric. Pretty sure most either don't care or know the relevance. It only gains importance in tech blogs and forums like these.
 
This is one of the weakness of Android, I remember my Samsung Galaxy S3 took several months of waiting just to update an x.x.1 version.
 
I still have never seen a new version of iOS causing lag on an old device. But the new versions use more storage. Those who complain, are you guys filling your storage to the brim with an iOS update then seeing lag?

BTW, OS X was a different story going from 10.6 to 10.7 and 10.8 to 10.9. Those two updates were horrible.
 
Wow, Android is a joke in comparison. Want the latest OS? Buy a new phone.

While I do care for the latest software on my Android phone the vast majority do not care. And people in the Android camp that are total geeks will buy a Nexus or a new phone. When marshmallow comes out it will screw the numbers even more.
But I do appreciate how Apple keeps devices up to date. It's the primary reason for getting a iPad Air 2.
 
I agree. Why is it such a good thing that users get access to the latest security updates and features? It should be like Windows XP where we never need to upgrade. /s

You can still use iWork 08 if you want to. BootCamp still supports Windows 7 on older Macs. But since Windows 10 is a free upgrade for Windows 7 and is in the last years of extended support, why should Apple go out of its way to make it work on the newest Macs?

If by "in the last years of extended support" you mean its first year, then yes. And it'll be supported until 2020. For "Apple [to] go out of its way", I don't think so. Windows 7 is still the most widely used OS, and assuming annual OS X releases, that's not going to change until at least 10.12, if not 10.13, 10.14, or even 10.15... no I don't think we should excuse Apple for that.
 
I think they update it every year for the same reasons Apple does. Add new features, upgrade functionality, design changes, etc. With Google not handling hardware and software they wisely divested the core app functionality from being tied to a complete OS overhaul. You can already get the Marshmallow Launcher for devices as old as Gingerbread. One of the most important updates from Marshmallow will be iOS-like app permissions for the Play Store. Regardless of the OS version, everyone will get it, along with updates to GMail, GMaps, etc. People survive and thrive for years on Android and iOS without updating to the latest OS. Adoption rates are pretty meaningless as a consumer facing metric. Pretty sure most either don't care or know the relevance. It only gains importance in tech blogs and forums like these.

I guess I'm a little confused between the "New Version that only selected devices can get" and the "Core Updates that anyone can get"

Google launched Android 5.0 Lollipop a year ago... but it's installed on only 16% of Android devices.

Then I keep hearing that versions don't matter because anyone can update Google Play Services and get all the new features.

So... why isn't that considered the new version?

If you can install the Marshmallow launcher on a Gingerbread phone... what else can you install?

At what point do the features of Marshmallow simply become Marshmallow?

There's obviously something differentiating these different versions... Google shows developers exactly who's running what:

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Why is fast adoption such a good thing though? In the apple Camp everyone seems to fall all over themselves jumping on the latest version, but if there's nothing in the new version you want, why upgrade?

For iOS, a lot of smaller developers only have one or two test devices, and test mostly or only on the latest OS, because that's how Apple reviews submitted apps, starting right near when a new OS is released. If you don't jump all over the latest major iOS release, then soon your app updates (which fix bugs on the new OS) might get buggier on old OS versions, or not even run on devices with older OS versions. Same thing for new cool apps. Only huge developer corporations have enough staff to commit resource to coding for maybe a couple percent more sales.

Also, without fast adoption, developers would have to spend more on app testing. App compatibility testing (over several hundred different combinations among large numbers of Android device customers) is one of the big things that scares smaller iOS developers away from Android.
 
It's easy to have high adoption rates when you can't downgrade the OS to any previous version. You basically being forced to update everytime you have to swap phones after a repair or if you have to reinstall the OS for any reason. Android phones don't force you to use latest version if you don't want to.
 
As measured by App Store

There are users (older / international) who haven't updated their ios since they bought their phone, and that's the same population that don't visit the App Store at all
 
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It's easy to have high adoption rates when you can't downgrade the OS to any previous version. You basically being forced to update everytime you have to swap phones after a repair or if you have to reinstall the OS for any reason. Android phones don't force you to use latest version if you don't want to.

This is the reason why I think these adoption rate articles are pointless and stupid. Of course these % are going to be high... no sh*t sherlock!
 
I don't see the point of upgrading for the sake of upgrading.

My iPhone 4 did everything I needed but is finally becoming a bit slow over the past six months so will probably upgrade this Christmas. And even then I'll likely jump to a 5S.

My Mac laptop is on 10.8.5 because it just works and I have no need to upgrade it. Plus the software I use doesn't work beyond Mavericks so I won't be shifting for a very long time.

Some people are into technology ... some aren't.
 
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For iOS, a lot of smaller developers only have one or two test devices, and test mostly or only on the latest OS, because that's how Apple reviews submitted apps, starting right near when a new OS is released. If you don't jump all over the latest major iOS release, then soon your app updates (which fix bugs on the new OS) might get buggier on old OS versions, or not even run on devices with older OS versions. Same thing for new cool apps. Only huge developer corporations have enough staff to commit resource to coding for maybe a couple percent more sales.

Also, without fast adoption, developers would have to spend more on app testing. App compatibility testing (over several hundred different combinations among large numbers of Android device customers) is one of the big things that scares smaller iOS developers away from Android.

I am one of those small developers. Currently my new app (which is still waiting for approval from Apple) is compiled for 8.3+ I officially only test and support on 8.4.1 and 9.

However, I won't support 8.4.1 for more than a few months more. When iOS 10 comes out, I will drop iOS 9 support entirely. The only reason I am supporting 8.4.1 at all right now is because I sent it off to Apple for approval during this upgrade.
 
This is why I'm giving up Android. No waiting for att to send me OS updates. Their solution is to get the newest phone.

Hands down my biggest grip with Android. Not just from a user point of view, but developer. Just simply supporting 1 or 2 major OS versions on top of the various sized iPhone screens is pain enough. Mix in the dozens and dozens of Android versions, interfaces, devices, specs. No thanks.

Developing for Android is a nightmare.
 
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I have a bunch of iPod touches stuck on 4.3 that are being used as iTunes match sources for various stereo systems. May they work forever!
 
Not the case if you have a Nexus device.

My Nexus 5 makes me go through every intermediate update to get to the latest one, instead of jumping directly to the latest one. One day I had to do 4 or 5 updates to catch up to the latest. Not really impressed.
 
I can't upgrade till El Capitan releases the GM and can update my computers. I can't loose the ability to sync from iOS to OSX... notes and such will screw up. so on Sept 30th I can have iOS 9 - that should have been planned a little closer together imo.
Can't you just sync over iCloud? I haven't sync with iTunes in about two years and have no regrets. I've been able to do a full restore at least three times.
 
Doesn't work like that.

It's a long process that involves updates from Google (Android itself), the OEM (i.e skins, applications), and the carrier (bloatware and network updates). And after all that is settled there is testing, which could take weeks or months.

That's why Android is still so fragmented. Stock is the way to go, because carriers aren't involved with it, and the OEM is basically Google. Stock Android devices recieve updates much quicker and for longer periods of time.
If you can indulge my ignorance a bit longer: when you say "stock", is that an option for any device or only for certain devices? Google is mostly out of the hardware business these days, right? Can I take my Samsung S6 Edge (or whatever) and install a stock build? Do the features of a specific device, like the Edge display features, migrate into the stock build over time or is it available to developers as a library?

I'm just realizing how little I understand about the Android world. I've always assumed it was Linux for your phone, but now I'm realizing it's not that straightforward...
 
After trying 9.0 and 9.1, I'll be staying on 8.4.1 until the OS matures. Say no to lag.
I'd do the same, but I'm upgrading from my 5S. My phone is buttery smooth on 8.4.1, but lags a lot in the GM of iOS 9. The El Capitan GM is super smooth and a big improvement over Yosemite, at least.
 
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