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It'll tell you again: please get your facts right before writing.
Also why do you write the weight with that ugly and heavy smart keyboard? It's not part of the iPad, it's an accessory. The iPad comes by default with an excellent, multi language on screen keyboard, with integrated trackpad mode, that it's only there when you need it. And if you want you can attach a smart keyboard or a bluetooth keyboard. It's one of its strong points.

I imagine M. Gustave used the weight of iPad with keyboard, because people who complain about iPad lacking Mac-like functionality also complain of iPad not having mouse/trackpad, meaning they are using it with the Smart Keyboard.

I do use the iPad mostly with the on screen keyboard, but then, I'm not complaining about the lack of mouse, nor am I complaining about the lack of file system.
 
So it begs the question, why do all these people complaining about the limitations of iPads and iOS, buy one in the first place? It's bigger and heavier than a Macbook. This really makes no sense to me.

Obviously weight isn't the deciding factor. People bought iPads because they overall made the most sense for what they wanted?. Does that mean they are perfect? Of course not. Does that mean that with some small improvements they could be more useful? Yup. I would find if hard to believe that you find the device 100% perfect and that it couldn't be improved in any way.
 
Obviously weight isn't the deciding factor. People bought iPads because they overall made the most sense for what they wanted?. Does that mean they are perfect? Of course not. Does that mean that with some small improvements they could be more useful? Yup. I would find if hard to believe that you find the device 100% perfect and that it couldn't be improved in any way.
"Good but can be better" is one thing. I use my iPad Pro in my teaching every day and while it has its quirks, the core experience of the iPad has been great overall, as my iPad Pro and Apple Pencil combination is serving me well in ways that can't be replicated by the other gear at my disposal.

These people are whining like there is completely no redeeming qualities about the iPad at all. It's like I hate oranges, then deliberately force myself to eat an orange just so I have something to complain about.

It's utterly mind boggling.
 
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These people are whining like there is completely no redeeming qualities about the iPad at all. It's like I hate oranges, then deliberately force myself to eat an orange just so I have something to complain about.

It's utterly mind boggling.

I don't really get that sense though. I think most of the commentary has been more reactions to people scoffing at suggestions where the iPad could be improved. It's almost like they can't comprehend how someone could need a feature they don't find important.
 
I don't really get that sense though. I think most of the commentary has been more reactions to people scoffing at suggestions where the iPad could be improved. It's almost like they can't comprehend how someone could need a feature they don't find important.
I see it more as people asking for features which we feel Apple will never grant, like a file manager. But hey, Apple did introduce split screen (which I used to be a vocal critic of), and I now use said feature every day, so it's possible that we are being too closed-minded in our expectations here.
 
I imagine M. Gustave used the weight of iPad with keyboard, because people who complain about iPad lacking Mac-like functionality also complain of iPad not having mouse/trackpad, meaning they are using it with the Smart Keyboard.
It's still optional. I use an external keyboards too (rarely). But when travelling on a plane, or working in the field, or on the couch, or editing photos, I totally don't NEED it. It's heavy, it's delicate, I don't need to bring it with me always (let's also add that the Apple Smart Keyboard only comes with an American layout).

About the trackpad: when you use the iPad with the on-screen keyboard, you can just touch the screen and use the integrated iOS9 trackpad for text operations. In addition, the pencil can be helpful when you need precision input.

However, it's when you use an external keyboard that an external trackpad is actually very convenient. Because touching a screen in a vertical position is really not comfortable or ergonomic and using keyboard shortcuts can only get you so far...especially with the rather immature and buggy iOS external keyboard implementation. Personally, I don't need an external trackpad, because 99% of the time I prefer to work with the integrated touch keyboard. But I can totally understand people who could need such option. I can see the use case. I can imagine that for some people, who work a lot with text, the lack of trackpad support could make the experience uncomfortable when using an external keyboard. If Apple added this option, it would help them and it would not hurt me.
 
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the assumption being the iPhone and iPad are the exact same devices so the iOS should be identical


that's why iPad sales plummet every year
Side by side safari windows. All the re-designs. Widgets are hella better on the iPad due to screen real estate. Apple Pay on mobile comes to iPad too. New Camera interface. New Apple Music interface. RAW image support. There are lots of differences between the iPad and the iPhone in terms of use and interface, don't just assume that because they showed it off on a phone, that nothing is happening.
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Check out Myscript Stylus on the App Store. It's a custom keyboard that implements handwriting anywhere. I find the recognition to be truly excellent - it keeps surprising me just how good it is.

Second this. Great app.
 
I'm actually considering going to a Surface Pro 4 after the neglect that the iPad Pro received at WWDC...

If you do, make sure you're doing it for the right reasons. The Surface Pro 4 is a great machine, but it has a bevy of it's own issues - including (but not limited to): hardware quality issues and a lack of Tablet-focused apps (but plenty of desktop apps).

The Surface Pro is a tablet running a Desktop OS that is focused on Desktop users (a 180 from the tablet-focused Windows 8). It's a great solution if that's what you're looking for, but it's not even close to the iPad (that may or may not be a good thing).

After seeing what's in store for the next version of Windows, I wouldn't expect Microsoft to be making the "tablet experience" better any time soon.
 
If you think the iPad has a lack of tablet features, just wait until you use a Surface.

It's probably not the lack of tablet features that he or other people are concerned about. Many people bought into the whole, "iPad Pro will replace your laptop" claim, but iOS continues to be designed primarily for a phone. People are drawn to the Surface Pro for its laptop features/functionality in a tablet form factor.
 
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It's probably not the lack of tablet features that he or other people are concerned about. Many people bought into the whole, "iPad Pro will replace your laptop" claim, but iOS continues to be designed primarily for a phone. People are drawn to the Surface Pro for its laptop features/functionality in a tablet form factor.

If you're not using tablet feature, you might as well get an ultrabook.
 
Personally, I have an iPad Pro and I jumped thee gun. I sold my MacBook Pro (Late-2012) and got a 128G iPad Pro 9.7. I love it. the only thing that I am missing is Xcode. Other than that, I am fine. I have an iMac that I can use if needed, but other than that, my iPad can do everything I need it to do. I just wish that we had more keyboard shortcuts that worked system wide instead of an app-by-app basis.
 
If you're not using tablet feature, you might as well get an ultrabook.

I'm inclined to agree, but if I had to get one device to replace my iPad and my Ultrabook, it would have to be a Surface Pro or similar device over an iPad Pro. I think that people (not all people) are frustrated by the limitations of a mobile OS on a "Pro" device.
 
I'm inclined to agree, but if I had to get one device to replace my iPad and my Ultrabook, it would have to be a Surface Pro or similar device over an iPad Pro. I think that people (not all people) are frustrated by the limitations of a mobile OS on a "Pro" device.

I believe those frustrations will die over time. Just as there was a transition period between staying at a desktop all day and using a laptop, I feel we will eventually transition to where people get used to the mobile OS.
 
I'm inclined to agree, but if I had to get one device to replace my iPad and my Ultrabook, it would have to be a Surface Pro or similar device over an iPad Pro. I think that people (not all people) are frustrated by the limitations of a mobile OS on a "Pro" device.

I think people need to get over "Pro".

I guess I just don't get it. Are people actually making purchasing decisions based on it having "Pro" in the name and expecting it's somehow more than (a) what's listed on the website in terms of features and (b) What they can play with in the store? What is hidden here that I'm not understanding?
 
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I think people need to get over "Pro".

I guess I just don't get it. Are people actually making purchasing decisions based on it having "Pro" in the name and expecting it's somehow more than (a) what's listed on the website in terms of features and (b) What they can play with in the store? What is hidden here that I'm not understanding?

I agree 100%. If the new 9.7" model had just been called the Air 3 there would be far fewer complaints about it. People need to understand that "Pro" is just a marketing term. An iPad is still an iPad, for better or for worse.
 
When you first buy an iPad, and open up the box, take it out and turn it on, the "welcome" screen is in portrait, and the setup screens that follow are all in portrait. It seems to me that the poster you are quoting is saying in iOS 10, these setup screens can now rotate to landscape.

That is exactly right
 
After seeing what's in store for the next version of Windows, I wouldn't expect Microsoft to be making the "tablet experience" better any time soon.

The issue isn't with Microsoft.. Windows 10 is actually pretty good. It has a tablet mode for tablet devices.

The main problem is the lack of developer support compared to that of the App Store. If Microsoft had better developer support... I would then say it'll be better buy compared to the iPP.

I enjoy my iPP, but its running a mobile OS and has plenty of dev support. Surface Pro 4 has a full OS, but lack dev support... Weird how that dynamic is.
 
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