iPad ignored in iOS 10

[pika2000]

External drive support is not legacy.
the cloud is the present and the future for many things, but thinking that it can replace external drive support is silly. Uploading gigabytes of work to the cloud requires wifi, which is not always available, is slower (and it will always be slower), more espansive and less green. An external drive is cheap, extremely portable, always usable and green. Also, iCloud photo library IS very slow and it is NOT a backup. A couple of months ago about a hundred of pictures disappeared from my library, taken at different times, with different camera. There was no way to get then back from the cloud (they were deleted even from the mac), I was saved because I always do a local backup.

You're mixing my statement with your own technical problems.
Legacy is that, legacy. It's a word. And I already said there are good reasons for people to keep legacy workflows, and for that, there are Macs. Nothing bad about it.

On the other hand, complaining about this on iPads is like a whiny child. Like I said, Apple did not just stop selling Macs. They still do.

If you buy iPad and expect traditional PC-like experience, you don't know what you need.

 

[canesalato]

You're mixing my statement with your own technical problems.
Legacy is that, legacy. It's a word. And I already said there are good reasons for people to keep legacy workflows, and for that, there are Macs. Nothing bad about it.

No, i don't think I was mixing. Sorry if I did. What i meant to say is that for Apple, my workflow is legacy. I don't agree at all. A mac is not good for my job. I need the touch screen to begin with.
those are not MY technical problems. They are the problems of many people who get paid to do work on their devices.
Programmers, scientists, photographers, videographers. People who travel and work in the field. Believe me, I know a lot of them.

 

[M. Gustave]

"why would you buy a PC anymore? No really, why would you buy one?"
Tim Cook (about iPad pro)

Nice cherry picking, you should work for macrumors writing headlines! Here's the full quote:

“Yes, the iPad Pro is a replacement for a notebook or a desktop for many, many people. They will start using it and conclude they no longer need to use anything else, other than their phones.”

(my emphasis) He then goes on to talk about digital artists drawing with it. He is clearly not saying for everyone in every possible scenario.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...ares-the-end-of-the-pc-and-hints-at-new-medi/

 

[oldmacs]

“Yes, the iPad Pro is a replacement for a notebook or a desktop for many, many people. They will start using it and conclude they no longer need to use anything else, other than their phones.”

And many many people need functions that the iPad can not yet handle.

But of course since your needs are fulfilled everyone can go jump.

 

[jamesrick80]

I feel bad that try to use their iPad as there only device


I use it pretty much how Apple treats it, read my papers, magazines, watch movies when traveling, light emil and web browsing and now I can do some sketches

I can seriously do more productive work on my chromebook than my iPad Pro....I simply use it like stated above.....

 

[Michael Goff]

And many many people need functions that the iPad can not yet handle.

But of course since your needs are fulfilled everyone can go jump.

Many people on MR need functions the iPad doesn't have, I'll give you that.

 

[oldmacs]

Many people on MR need functions the iPad doesn't have, I'll give you that.

Many people in the real world also do. Had a discussion about it in a tutorial earlier this year, many of us bought iPads in high school but went back to laptops due to various restrictions that made uni work difficult. If you're going to say that student use is some sort of minority use case then whatever.

 

[gidoin]

Most of the discussions in this thread feels familiar, it was all talked over again and again in multiple threads when the iPad launched.

But can we all agree that apple did not gave us in ios10 any real updates specific to iPad?

I own this huge iPad Pro and I didn't feel the love at all

 

[Wackery]

some thoughts after learning the contents of iOS 10:
1. Better luck next time?
2. Iteration not innovation
3. Where is the creativity?
4. iPad neglect because sales are down

 

[richpjr]

Why do people think a "file manager" as a "pro" feature? I mean seriously, if you are a pro, wouldn't you want your computer to take care of the files for you so you can focus on your pro work, instead of you micro-managing your files?

I thought the inter-devices copy-n-paste is a huge feat on its own, especially in a "pro" environment.

Of course, if your "pro" workflow still requires legacy concepts (and some for good reasons), it's not like Apple stops selling Macs.

This topic has been beaten to death in many, many threads, but having said that...

The problem is that the way iOS manages files is clunky to use, limiting and simplistic. While some third party apps partially address some of the many shortcomings, they are simply not adequate enough. I personally don't care if I have direct access to a file system or if they came up with a much more sophisticated way of grouping, tagging, searching and sharing files that was easy to use.

 

[sparksd]

It would really be interesting to see the specific use cases & concepts of operation that the iPad system architects use in their design decision process.

 

[canesalato]

It would really be interesting to see the specific use cases & concepts of operation that the iPad system architects use in their design decision process.

Interesting and perhaps scary

 

[Coolpher]

They did finally allow you to set up iPad for the first time in landscape mode compared to any past iOS you had to hold it in portrait and you can use the smart keyboard on the iPad pro 12.9 inch during setup that is good finally

 

[FairyCatInPink]

And many many people need functions that the iPad can not yet handle.

But of course since your needs are fulfilled everyone can go jump.

Well, many many people like me also doesn't want iPad to be like laptop, doesn't want to carry optional things with iPad, and take that portability as our priority when we bring iPad around.
For "many many" people like me, iPad is good device, we know what is its benefits and disadvantages, and can make the device useful for ourselves.
If you need PC like function, it's simple, buy PC or laptop.

 

[jamesrick80]

They did finally allow you to set up iPad for the first time in landscape mode compared to any past iOS you had to hold it in portrait and you can use the smart keyboard on the iPad pro 12.9 inch during setup that is good finally

You could use iPads in landscape mode in most iPads even the oldest models....what are you saying

 

[Night Spring]

You could use iPads in landscape mode in most iPads even the oldest models....what are you saying

When you first buy an iPad, and open up the box, take it out and turn it on, the "welcome" screen is in portrait, and the setup screens that follow are all in portrait. It seems to me that the poster you are quoting is saying in iOS 10, these setup screens can now rotate to landscape.

 

[Michael Goff]

Many people in the real world also do. Had a discussion about it in a tutorial earlier this year, many of us bought iPads in high school but went back to laptops due to various restrictions that made uni work difficult. If you're going to say that student use is some sort of minority use case then whatever.

Best tool for the job, that's what I always try to remember. I just don't see any major restrictions these days, OS side, that prevent it. A lot of it becomes what people are used to using, from what I've seen. Laptops are faster because we're used to working with them, for example. Before that it was desktops.

 

[oldmacs]

Well, many many people like me also doesn't want iPad to be like laptop, doesn't want to carry optional things with iPad, and take that portability as our priority when we bring iPad around.
For "many many" people like me, iPad is good device, we know what is its benefits and disadvantages, and can make the device useful for ourselves.
If you need PC like function, it's simple, buy PC or laptop.

Nothing I would like the iPad to include will make it any less portable. Increasing what the iPad can does doesn't make it 'more like a laptop'.

I'm assuming you were opposed to Split Screen functionality because that is derived from desktop operating systems.
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Best tool for the job, that's what I always try to remember. I just don't see any major restrictions these days, OS side, that prevent it. A lot of it becomes what people are used to using, from what I've seen. Laptops are faster because we're used to working with them, for example. Before that it was desktops.

And iPads could be an even better tool for the job if Apple put more effort into them. They started with iOS 9, but theres still a fair way to go from my viewpoint. If the iPad does what you want it to do, then great. But there are plenty of us who would like simple additions (that nobody would be forced to use) to help open up the iPad so it lives up to its Pro Moniker.

I don't think I'll ever use an iPad with the Apple pencil, but that didn't ever make me opposed to them adding the pencil. Didn't make using the iPad any more complex for me, and I was happy that others would be able to use their iPads for digital art far more successfully.
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This topic has been beaten to death in many, many threads, but having said that...

The problem is that the way iOS manages files is clunky to use, limiting and simplistic. While some third party apps partially address some of the many shortcomings, they are simply not adequate enough. I personally don't care if I have direct access to a file system or if they came up with a much more sophisticated way of grouping, tagging, searching and sharing files that was easy to use.

This x1000. I'm all for a more sophisticated way of file management that also allows for others to continue using the standard iOS system. Like now, how you can use iCloud without any file management, but if you want you can turn on iCloud Drive.

 

[canesalato]

I don't think I'll ever use an iPad with the Apple pencil, but that didn't ever make me opposed to them adding the pencil. Didn't make using the iPad any more complex for me, and I was happy that others would be able to use their iPads for digital art far more successfully.
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Eheh. I still remember the answers on this forum when I was writing that a first party stylus for the iPad would have been great.

"Just buy a wacom tablet"
"If you need that level of precision, a mac with a trackpad is much better"
"Third party styluses are more than enough"
"If you see a stylus they blew it"
"I draw on my iPad and don't need a stylus. Just pinch to zoom and learn to draw better"
"Won't happen, Steve Jobs was against and it's useless".
"Stylus support would make the iPad thick and heavy"

Same for split screen. Same for the first Air with just 1gb of RAM.
"One gb of ram is more than enough".
"See how thin this thing is? With 2gb of RAM battery life would be horrible!"
"If you need so much ram, just buy a Mac".

Always the same story...then Apple finally implements the feature and "OMG I LOVE MY NEW APPLE PENCIL",
"OMG my iPad pro with 4gb of RAM never reloads tabs in Safari!"

 

[matttye]

I spent months looking for solutions on the iPad to create digital forms to replace my paper ones. I had already designed such a form to use in Microsoft Word but the iPad's Word and Pages apps didn't support all of the features of said form.

I tried out numerous form creation apps in the App Store but they're all lacking in one way or another. The best one I found at a reasonable price - FormConnect - doesn't support overflowing text when converting a form to PDF, so it only displays the text that fits in the box and the rest just disappears.

Bought a surface and yesterday I was able to just go to work and use the form I had already designed with no issues. I plan to change the form into a macro-enabled template with a button which will automatically generate a standard letter based on what is in the form, saving me about ten minutes per case I deal with.

The iPad Air 2 is an excellent tablet and I've thoroughly enjoyed using it for over a year, but it's just not good enough for work for me. For true flexibility in how I work, iOS is not there yet.

 

[arobert3434]

Afraid that is it folks. I did not expect much but this was underwhelming.

Underwhelming is good. Maybe they'll fix some bugs, or even *improve* performance for once.

 

[M. Gustave]

Macbook, 13":
Width: 11.04 inches
Depth: 7.74 inches
Weight: 2.03 pounds

iPad Pro, 12.9":
Width: 12.00 inches
Depth: 8.68 inches
Weight (with SKB): 2.34 pounds

So it begs the question, why do all these people complaining about the limitations of iPads and iOS, buy one in the first place? It's bigger and heavier than a Macbook. This really makes no sense to me.

 

[oldmacs]

So it begs the question, why do all these people complaining about the limitations of iPads and iOS, buy one in the first place? It's bigger and heavier than a Macbook. This really makes no sense to me.

Because if everyone had this view, we'd still have the iPad 1 and iPhone OS 3 powering it.
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Eheh. I still remember the answers on this forum when I was writing that a first party stylus for the iPad would have been great.

"Just buy a wacom tablet"
"If you need that level of precision, a mac with a trackpad is much better"
"Third party styluses are more than enough"
"If you see a stylus they blew it"
"I draw on my iPad and don't need a stylus. Just pinch to zoom and learn to draw better"
"Won't happen, Steve Jobs was against and it's useless".
"Stylus support would make the iPad thick and heavy"

Same for split screen. Same for the first Air with just 1gb of RAM.
"One gb of ram is more than enough".
"See how thin this thing is? With 2gb of RAM battery life would be horrible!"
"If you need so much ram, just buy a Mac".

Always the same story...then Apple finally implements the feature and "OMG I LOVE MY NEW APPLE PENCIL",
"OMG my iPad pro with 4gb of RAM never reloads tabs in Safari!"

Exactly. People act like their whole iPad experience will be ruined if Apple introduce new features, then when said features are introduced its apparently fine. Some people can't deal with the fact that Apple isn't always 100 percent right, and take it as a personal insult when you ask for features that Apple doesn't provide.

 

[canesalato]

Macbook, 13" → 12"!
Width: 11.04 inches
Depth: 7.74 inches
Weight: 2.03 pounds
Height: 0.14-0.52 inches


iPad Pro, 12.9":
Width: 12.00 inches
Depth: 8.68 inches
Weight: 2.34 pounds with smart keyboard → but 1.59 pounds without keyboard!
Height: 0.27 inches

So it begs the question, why do all these people complaining about the limitations of iPads and iOS, buy one in the first place? It's bigger and heavier than a Macbook. This really makes no sense to me.

It'll tell you again: please get your facts right before writing.
Also why do you write the weight with that ugly and heavy smart keyboard? It's not part of the iPad, it's an accessory. The iPad comes by default with an excellent, multi language on screen keyboard, with integrated trackpad mode, that it's only there when you need it. And if you want you can attach a smart keyboard or a bluetooth keyboard. It's one of its strong points.

 

[Serbann]

can you handwritten with apple pencil on ipad pro imessage app ?