iPad Pro Online Orders Start November 11, Available in Stores Later This Week

[Roykor]

Check out ArtRage. Amazing app and currently exports at 2048 x 2048 on the iPad Air 2. With the new Pro, it may meet your needs.

OTOH, if you're happy with your Cintiq, why would you want to make a change?

The 27" Cintiq is a screen thats hooked up on my computer. I can not lie down on the couch and draw 😀

 

[furi0usbee]

Good marketing. You'll notice the edges of the image on the screen are black... so it looks at first like edge to edge display. That's what I thought when they first introduced it... but then I found out it's not.

 

[crsh1976]

I don't get the point in the iPad Pro - or I should say, I get the need for a bigger screen, even the pencil, but there's nothing Pro about it.

 

[AdonisSMU]

Compared to the Surface Book this pales in comparison.

have you used both yet? How do you know?

 

[Aluminum213]

Good marketing. You'll notice the edges of the image on the screen are black... so it looks at first like edge to edge display. That's what I thought when they first introduced it... but then I found out it's not.

That could be said about every black iOS device that Apple marketed

have you used both yet? How do you know?

The iPad pro is exactly like an iPad but with a pen, it's pretty safe to guess how it will be

 

[micharwood]

I feel like this is forcing people to spend $900 that just want a pencil.

We have a 12" retina device. It's called the MacBook.

The MacBook was targeted to graphic designers and people who don't need high end Intel processors.

So now people who bought the MacBook 12" but need to draw, have to buy an iPad Pro.

And people who buy the iPad Pro, that need a full OS, have to buy a MacBook.

They should've just made the MacBook into like a MacBook Pad with optional Pencil and fully convertible with a keyboard "cover" to prevent it from scratching.

We don't need a 12" iOS only device. iOS has enough issues just scaling up to 10". They have it perfect with an iOS device 10" with multi tasking and split screen. Make the pencil an iOS or MacBook capable accessory so people with an iPad can get it or people with a MacBook 12" can get it.

If you have a MacBook and just "want a pencil" why don't you have a Cintiq or other accessory tablet? I would assume the "people who bought the MacBook 12" but need to draw" haven't just been sitting on their thumbs everyday since that released wondering how the heck they're going to draw.

And if someone needs a desktop OS (whether you like it or not, iOS is a full OS) they aren't looking for the iPad Pro.

Speaking as someone who has a Surface Pro 3, it's the first device I've bought in a long time that I find myself almost never using. The OS "switch" from tablet mode to laptop mode is clunky, half the time not recognizing I've folded the keyboard back so refusing to switch to tablet mode, and then the UI just isn't great for touch. The only benefit is that it works well as a Windows laptop to RDP into my office computer and use Windows shortcuts correctly... but if that's all the benefit I get, I could have bought a much cheaper Windows laptop. The novelty of "Windows touch" wore off pretty quickly, within a couple of weeks.

Meanwhile, I still use my MBA and iPad Air daily and they each feel natural for what they're being used. iOS is a great touch UI and I don't see where OSX would transfer as well.

 

[KPOM]

Compared to the Surface Book this pales in comparison.

Except the Surface Book in tablet mode lasts 2.5 hours. Plus the $1499 starting price is a bit misleading as that model lacks the dGPU and has only 128GB of storage (which isn't much considering it's running a full desktop OS).

I don't get the point in the iPad Pro - or I should say, I get the need for a bigger screen, even the pencil, but there's nothing Pro about it.

How so? The Pencil, A9X, and rumored 4GB of RAM seem geared toward pros. Microsoft seems to have done a good job modifying Office to take advantage of those features.

Should Apple do more to open up iOS on these devices? Perhaps. I don't see iOS ever becoming as open as OS X, but it could gain additional support for wireless peripherals.

Yeah I am in the camp that thinks that for people would've paid the same price regardless of 10" vs 12" display.... I also think it makes sense to try out new changes on one device not all three at the same time. It complicates things. I think Apple is doing this the right way TBQH. If there are any issues Apple can resolve it with a few people rather than a ton of people.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the iPad Air 3 get Pencil support next year, or to see a 32GB Cellular model iPad Pro.

 

[BrettJDeriso]

I am wondering the same thing.

I'm guessing it's a multi-country launch to compensate for the reduced interest. Makes the launch weekend sales figures more of a bragging point.

The fewer people in any one local are interested, the more locales you can hit simultaneously.

Only question now is do I take my chances at the usually mobbed Apple Store, or pay extra to be abused by DHL or UPS?

 

[diddl14]

Brilliant!

 

[BrettJDeriso]

I learned my lesson with the recent ATV4 launch that ordering on launch day was a mistake.

Having ordered 6 minutes after it went live on the Apple Store app and then finding out 2 days later I could have bought it in store that Friday and having to wait until last Thursday to receive it in the post, I think I will take my chances with store pickup.

You just convinced me too 😉

 

[maxsix]

I'm very interested to witness how these sell. Obviously a good product but a bit pricey. I know our corporate director of IT took a look at business pricing on iPad Air/ Air2 and just rolled his eyes. He buys loads of new 15" MBPr models without a second thought. But iPads of any size? Not hardly. iPads get the cold shoulder.

 

[btrach144]

The iPad Pro price is a lot higher for only getting 2" more and two more speakers. I'd consider the Pro but not at the current price.

Also, as others have pointed out, 3D touch is going to be used more and more so waiting till an iPad has 3D touch is the smart thing to do. I'd also like to see TouchID 2.0.

I'm hoping for an iPad Air 3 with A9X, TouchID 2, 3DTouch, and everything else could be similar and I'd buy one.

 

[StoneJack]

I think that the iPad Pro is onto something.
Graphic artists, for one thing, will be in ecstasy; all sound engineers, DJ, VJs will love 4 speakers, add those who write and sketch, this creative demographic alone can be quite big, 1-2 millions globally. Given that iPad sold 9.9 million as it is, adding a million in sales might be quite important. Plus add the IBM apps and you have 12 inch very thin notebook (yes notebook with touch OS) which has power maybe exceeding that of OS X MBA, especially graphically, such is the beast of A9X. We already know that 6S, a phone, has computing power exceeding that of Macbook. A9X might be one of breakthrough chips. I'd love to buy it but at this price, I will probably wait for second generation to come to buy a first generation. I love drawing sketches and taking notes by stylus, i still have one for iPad mini but that pales in comparison what Apple brings.

I also think that we might soon get a dock for iPad Pro. It just seems natural that such dock might come

 

[BrettJDeriso]

I still didn't find an answer on the internet about this:

Apple use the slogan: "We can’t wait to see what they do with iPad Pro"

My question is: Can i Start AND finish an drawing for professional use. My average paintings starts at 3840x2160 at 600 dpi in CMYK. Can it handle such files?

I wonder if the iPad pro would be an interesting investment as digital painter for an living. If i can draw on the couch or in bed and not need my desktop computer to finish a product.. the iPad Pro would be a nice device. But i am afraid this is not the case. Fun for sketching, but expensive if that is the case.

I work on a 27" cintiq touch as my daily driver

This has been my hope as well. I have been severely disappointed with my Cintiq 24" HD ever since I nearly threw my back out unboxing it. The footprint is enormous, the cable clutter is irksome, and the parallax is omnipresent, no matter how many times I "calibrate" it. I have used the Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 with the S-Pen (too small and not enough software support) and the Surface Pro 3 (runs Clip Studio and Photoshop fine, but too heavy and... Windows... ugh). In both cases, there was real potential to muscle in on Wacom's market share, but both fell short on the full reach of their workflow capabilities.

I fully expect the iPad Pro not to answer these long-standing quibbles either, but form factor-wise, it has to be the best step in that direction I've seen yet. Who knows... if AstroPad can deliver decent display mirroring with low latency on this bad boy (even tethered), I'll happily throw my Cintiq on eBay.

 

[mrklaw]

This is the iPad I had hoped they'd build on day 1.

Unfortunately, it is not day 1, and our expectations have had 7 years to develop.

Now it seems a poor mobile device because while the OS is right, it's size is too big, a poor professional creative device because while it's size is right, it only runs iOS, and a poor toy because while it's a novelty, it's as expensive as a full featured notebook or surface pro.

But when the OG iPad came out it was as expensive as a laptop, but that didn't make it a poor toy? They are different decides designed for different things.

 

[subjonas]

Who's being forced to buy it? A lot of people. Want the A9X? Buy an iPad pro. Apple branded stylus or keyboard cover? Buy an iPad Pro. Stereo speakers? Buy an iPad Pro.

The Air line from this point forward will be forever gimped with last years specs to make the Pro a more attractive purchase.

No reason the Air 2 couldn't have been updated this year with at least an A9x at a minimum or even support for those Apple branded accessories.

Apple is a large enough company - they can handle two iPad projects at once.

I want a Lamborghini. Dammit I have to buy one now (according to your logic).

 

[Roykor]

This has been my hope as well. I have been severely disappointed with my Cintiq 24" HD ever since I nearly threw my back out unboxing it. The footprint is enormous, the cable clutter is irksome, and the parallax is omnipresent, no matter how many times I "calibrate" it. I have used the Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 with the S-Pen (too small and not enough software support) and the Surface Pro 3 (runs Clip Studio and Photoshop fine, but too heavy and... Windows... ugh). In both cases, there was real potential to muscle in on Wacom's market share, but both fell short on the full reach of their workflow capabilities.

I fully expect the iPad Pro not to answer these long-standing quibbles either, but form factor-wise, it has to be the best step in that direction I've seen yet. Who knows... if AstroPad can deliver decent display mirroring with low latency on this bad boy (even tethered), I'll happily throw my Cintiq on eBay.

Sorry to hear that your 24" wacom cintiq is not enjoyable. 🙁 My 27" qhd cintiq tho is superb. I only want a hand version so I can draw outside the studio with customers, live in a meeting or brainstorm session. Drawing on the couch or in bed, and finish a drawing in the same time.

The downside wit this iPad so far i now can discover is not the full acces to adobe suit. Think about this:

I am working on a drawing at my studio on my cintiq I have a few items that i need to finish but I have to go. Can i upload the psd somewhere so i can finish it on the iPad pro? How well works this if my psd is 1,5 gb big? can it handel psd files anyway? How can I acces these files without an finder.

All of this, makes me think if this device would be my biggest friend beside my wacom cintiq. Its waiting for real reviews. Specially from the the digital painting / designers point of view.

 

[mrob44]

I'm going to buy one, because as a writer my current portable device is an 11" MB Air from 2011. The primary uses for it are Word (of course), email, calendar, messaging, web browsing. These are all things--depending on the quality and feel of the Smart Keyboard--I believe the iPad Pro could be great for, plus I'm getting a much better display for consuming content on the go or in bed and potentially enjoying some casual gaming. For my beefier work, I do have an iMac on my desk at home.

I completely understand all the folks for whom it is essential to have a MacBook Pro to perform their work (devs, video, graphic designers, you know who you are) scoffing at the "pro" moniker attached to this product, but I have some serious faith that this thing could be a potential laptop replacement for a lot of folks. My biggest test will be how well Word functions.

On the pricing front, yeah it's expensive, but I went onto Apple's online store and priced out the following laptops and included Apple Care and tax for my state.

Baseline 12" MacBook: $1630
Baseline 13" MacBook Air: $1314
Baseline 13" MacBook Pro: 1630

Now the baseline iPad Pro, plus Smart Keyboard and Pencil (No AppleCare) and tax: $1120
Toss in an extra $100 if you think they keep the Apple Care price the same.

So I guess I don't buy into the cost argument as much, because aside from the 13" MacBook Air (which has an inferior screen compared to this) the other options are $500 more expensive than the iPad Pro. You could argue that the difference between iOS and OS X makes up that price difference and is the deal breaker, but as a supplemental machine to a home desktop/laptop station, I think this thing will do well, at least for me. I still have some reservations about my workflow, but I've got 14 days to test and return to Apple if it's a no-go.

*Also, I'm six-five and have large hands, so the size issue is null for me as well.

 

[thefredelement]

iPad FAIL. the market is going to be very small compared to the other iPads.

It may not be as huge as the first iPad but there's a place for this. Especially between artist and business use, that Pencil is going to be a game changer. I hope that tech can trickle into the next other iPad size releases. There can be so many more apps that can use precision touch technology like that.

I've tried to use my iPad (from a 3rd - Air 2) as a paper replacement. I take notes, I draw out problems, I sketch diagrams, I write a lot of random stuff and I'm hoping this year it's finally it. I also think the screen is going to be incredible for importing photos from my dSLR to, plus the bigger size is going to make reading tech. documentation awesome while I keep it in a stand on my desk. The dual screen at this size is something I'd pay 1k for all by itself. I feel like this should be all iPads eventually, this is an awesome first step.

 

[Sym0]

When do we get localised pricing?

 

[farewelwilliams]

Why is the entry level 32GB then jumps to 128GB? I also can't get over a "pro" device running the exact same iOS as an iPad mini

Very little about this device makes sense

OS X on an iPad makes even less sense.

 

[jpgr15]

I want a Lamborghini. Dammit I have to buy one now (according to your logic).

No, not according to my logic at all.

 

[artfossil]

The 27" Cintiq is a screen thats hooked up on my computer. I can not lie down on the couch and draw 😀

Then, if I understand you and you do want to draw on the couch, check out both Procreate and ArtRage.

I actually meant to write about Procreate initially but my dyslexia kicked in and I wrote ArtRage instead. Both are terrific and in some ways ArtRAge is more "painterly" and better replicates the experience of drawing or painting on textured surfaces, but ArtRage has a higher export resolution. From their app store description:
Breakthrough resolution with up to 16K by 4K on iPad Pro, and 8K by 4K on Air 2
And the app only costs $5.99!

 

[BrettJDeriso]

Sorry to hear that your 24" wacom cintiq is not enjoyable. 🙁 My 27" qhd cintiq tho is superb. I only want a hand version so I can draw outside the studio with customers, live in a meeting or brainstorm session. Drawing on the couch or in bed, and finish a drawing in the same time.

The downside wit this iPad so far i now can discover is not the full acces to adobe suit. Think about this:

I am working on a drawing at my studio on my cintiq I have a few items that i need to finish but I have to go. Can i upload the psd somewhere so i can finish it on the iPad pro? How well works this if my psd is 1,5 gb big? can it handel psd files anyway? How can I acces these files without an finder.

All of this, makes me think if this device would be my biggest friend beside my wacom cintiq. Its waiting for real reviews. Specially from the the digital painting / designers point of view.

Exactly. For all the strides they made in bringing Lightroom to mobile devices, there's still no RAW workflow. I still can't shoot tethered into an iPad in the field or triage a shoot and start blemish removal without busting out my laptop. Long way to go yet.

 

[maxprice]

You understand that on iPad 3D touch is not necessary in most cases since you get to see the detail of something directly in most cases, right? Not like the phone where it's a lot of back and forth.

I don't know why so many are hung up on 3d touch with the iPad. Brilliantly said, thank you!