Hear Hear, flash has been a major cause of browser crashes.... time for a change to html5
I also have no problems with Apples attitude in not using flash I prefer something else which is controlled by apple and not adobe.
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Hear Hear, flash has been a major cause of browser crashes.... time for a change to html5
I also have no problems with Apples attitude in not using flash I prefer something else which is controlled by apple and not adobe.
Because nearly every large, major website has flash. ESPN, CNN, MSNBC, NYT, and on and on and on. Sure on the iPhone some of those pages open an "iPhone specific" site that doesn't display flash but if the iPad is supposed to be a better browsing experience than a laptop (Job's own words) than I don't want mini-sites when I go to ESPN etc., I want the full page... and right now that means I need flash.
PS: Perhaps in a few years all these sites will be HTML5 and yes, that would be great. I will also just wait to buy an iPad until then.
Can someone please explain this to me (I'm being serious here)?
If you don't want Flash, can't you just choose to NOT install the plugin? Or is there some crazy backend programming in the browser that slows the browser down just for offering the option to install it?
Also, people keep complaining about how it hogs resources etc. I have a 13" MBP, a 24" Al iMac, and an 8 year old Dell desktop...and NEVER have I had an issue with flash bogging down any of my computers.
I was really excited about the iPad because I saw it as a great educational tool. My 2 year old son LOVES the iPod Touch. He can fully navigate it, and plays little educational apps (which just proves how easy to use the interface is).
The problem is...almost all educational games on the web are flash based.
If you don't want Flash, can't you just choose to NOT install the plugin? Or is there some crazy backend programming in the browser that slows the browser down just for offering the option to install it?
Also, people keep complaining about how it hogs resources etc. I have a 13" MBP, a 24" Al iMac, and an 8 year old Dell desktop...and NEVER have I had an issue with flash bogging down any of my computers.
I was really excited about the iPad because I saw it as a great educational tool. My 2 year old son LOVES the iPod Touch. He can fully navigate it, and plays little educational apps (which just proves how easy to use the interface is).
The problem is...almost all educational games on the web are flash based.
Obviously you are correct. You are preaching to the wrong crowd though. They feel the need to defend Apple at all costs even at the risk of being ridiculous.
Flash sucks. It's bloatware. A resource-hog. Needs a plug in. Isn't ADA compliant (as in, handicap accessible, which all educational sites need to be), kills batters, and the only thing it's good for these days is cheesy cartoons and maybe Homestarrunner.
REAL web designers, all the big guns, all the gurus, almost all the ones at conferences and or designing the web for the future, 2.0 to web 3.0, are doing kickass things in javascript, jquery, AJAX, and other languages which pretty much blow flash out of the water for size, effort, and most importantly compliance. You really don't NEED to ever use flash for 99.5% of all the web sites ever made, ever. Period. No discussion. Fact. Deal with it whiners. It's a deadend. It's pointless. It was okay in the 90s, but technology has passed it, and that technology runs leaner, quicker, and is compliant on EVERY platform (though sometimes excepting versions if IE but IE sucks anyways and no designer worth his salt likes IE) which, that's the beauty of NOT using Flash, design once, deploy everywhere on any platform no needs for plugins or having pages drain your battery. It's a beautiful thing.
All the lame things it does overall are only being griped and wanting by 1. people who are clueless about how it's not necessary any more and 2. their lame developers stuck with the archaic knowledge of problematic "programming" [sic] language ActionScript.
REAL web designers, all the big guns, all the gurus, almost all the ones at conferences and or designing the web for the future, 2.0 to web 3.0, are doing kickass things in javascript, jquery, AJAX, and other languages which pretty much blow flash out of the water for size, effort, and most importantly compliance. You really don't NEED to ever use flash for 99.5% of all the web sites ever made, ever. Period. No discussion. Fact. Deal with it whiners. It's a deadend. It's pointless. It was okay in the 90s, but technology has passed it, and that technology runs leaner, quicker, and is compliant on EVERY platform (though sometimes excepting versions if IE but IE sucks anyways and no designer worth his salt likes IE) which, that's the beauty of NOT using Flash, design once, deploy everywhere on any platform no needs for plugins or having pages drain your battery. It's a beautiful thing.
All the lame things it does overall are only being griped and wanting by 1. people who are clueless about how it's not necessary any more and 2. their lame developers stuck with the archaic knowledge of problematic "programming" [sic] language ActionScript.
Maybe not officially, but I read a blog by some Adobe developer stating that the reason that Flash doesn't work well on Macs is that Apple won't release the required API's to the public that would allow for hardware acceleration. Apparently, this would allow the graphics card to decode Flash videos ... so my Macbook won't fire up the fans to 150% when I watch Hulu.
To me, I could care less either way. It's just a pissing match at this point.
No it isn't, it's this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/10/travel/10places.html?scp=2&sq=places to go 2010&st=tcse
And it does contain Flash. Meaning they have adopted Flash since 2008. Not really going away, is it.
Troll... HA! I've owned apple products FOREVER.
I've hated Microcrap.
Apple started going downhill when they got rid of matte screens and didn't care. Then there was the crippled iphone (which jailbreaking made into a real computer, for the most part).
I LOVE my jailbroken iphone. It does multitask WONDERFULLY. No thanks to apple!
The current IMAC I7's are lemons, according to everyone and they can't even ship them for 3 weeks they are so bad.
I need a new macbook pro, but they haven't announced any I7's/I5's yet (behind the curve here too).
And I was interested in the Ipad... was ready to have my socks blown off, but that went backwards! And it's crippled like my iphone was, sans camera... A JOKE.
Stop being fanboys and revolt already. Stop eating the gruel. It used to be gourmet meals, now it's turning into slop and we are being told by the chef it's magical slop, just eat it, no big deal.
I think the only reason apple put a matte screen option back on the 17" MB pro was because of the bitching... so I bitch in the hope that people will follow and hopefully force them to serve gourmet food once again. That is my hope.
Don't buy this tablet as it is now. It sends them the message that we believe
gruel is fine and that the emperor is wearing clothes.
Maan, please stop comparing HTML5 with Flash, and saying HTML5 will replacing Flash. Those 2 technologies are quite different.
It's ok though, if you compared how they handle video for browser. But Flash isn't just for video. I repeat, Flash is NOT just for video.
Much more than that. Look how Flash games like Texas Hold'em Poker, FarmVille, or other Flash based games on the net (Facebook, Myspace, etc) being access (enjoyed) by >5milion "casual" gamers daily! That is lots of money there.
Can HTML5 replace Flash for that matter?
Of course they will not be static. But how many years between each "version"? AFAIK, there are still web developers who uses HTML4 transitional for their homepage!
With Flash being proprietary and in-house only development, it doesn't need other parties to support it's technology. Their users ARE the one who support it (by installing a plugin though, and currently it is slow on the Mac and Linux).
On the other hand, HTML which R&D'd by a consortium should create standard between browsers/companies. See how each browsers handle HTML differently. Gives headache to web developers because it's very hard to please all the browsers. And when big company like MS or Apple didn't agree at some point, the HTML technology will progressing slowly.
The only thing we really need Flash for is playing video, especially on the iPhone. HTML5 will not be a valid replacement for another 2-3 years at least.
However, as the photographer above mentioned, Flash is used by 90% or more of the photography industry to showcase images. It's the only game in town for this, and is basically a requirement if you are building a web gallery. HTML5 won't solve this problem. (Ruby on Rails might, but someone would still need to build a standard evironment for photographers to use, as they have with Flash).
With the larger screen of the iPad, not being able to view these sites is going to be a much bigger issue on the iPad than it was on the iPhone, since the screen is a suitable size for doing it.
Apple would be smart to allow Flash video to play, while still blocking the security issues Flash has.
Yeah, like Apple could be subject to a class action suit for deceptive marketing... which they would lose. And Apple knows this.
Which is why we should be 90% confident that 4.0 will support Flash.
Right! and also i wonder what the little sign right of the "Slide to unlock" bar should be. could be a "change profile" button or so, never really understood what it should be, and did not find close ups, but it would make sense now
They are talking about Flash being a development platform to create applications for the platform, not the availability of a flash plug-in for the web browser. Disney may create a flash application for the platform, but you cannot go to their web site and play the flash games on the web site unless you have a flash plug-in.
If you watch the keynote steve says its for showing a slideshow while its docked/sitting around
No flash is about Apps not Web
I think SJ concern is with his business model.
You can create games and apps with flash and bypass his "iStores" with it...
Not having Flash for web is just a collateral damage...
Just my 2 cents.
I think SJ concern is with his business model.
You can create games and apps with flash and bypass his "iStores" with it...
Not having Flash for web is just a collateral damage...
Just my 2 cents.
The TRUTH
Troll... HA! I've owned apple products FOREVER.
I've hated Microcrap.
Apple started going downhill when they got rid of matte screens and didn't care. Then there was the crippled iphone (which jailbreaking made into a real computer, for the most part).
I LOVE my jailbroken iphone. It does multitask WONDERFULLY. No thanks to apple!
The current IMAC I7's are lemons, according to everyone and they can't even ship them for 3 weeks they are so bad.
I need a new macbook pro, but they haven't announced any I7's/I5's yet (behind the curve here too).
And I was interested in the Ipad... was ready to have my socks blown off, but that went backwards! And it's crippled like my iphone was, sans camera... A JOKE.
Stop being fanboys and revolt already. Stop eating the gruel. It used to be gourmet meals, now it's turning into slop and we are being told by the chef it's magical slop, just eat it, no big deal.
I think the only reason apple put a matte screen option back on the 17" MB pro was because of the bitching... so I bitch in the hope that people will follow and hopefully force them to serve gourmet food once again. That is my hope.
Don't buy this tablet as it is now. It sends them the message that we believe gruel is fine and that the emperor is wearing clothes.
Troll... HA! I've owned apple products FOREVER.
I've hated Microcrap.
Apple started going downhill when they got rid of matte screens and didn't care. Then there was the crippled iphone (which jailbreaking made into a real computer, for the most part).
I LOVE my jailbroken iphone. It does multitask WONDERFULLY. No thanks to apple!
The current IMAC I7's are lemons, according to everyone and they can't even ship them for 3 weeks they are so bad.
I need a new macbook pro, but they haven't announced any I7's/I5's yet (behind the curve here too).
And I was interested in the Ipad... was ready to have my socks blown off, but that went backwards! And it's crippled like my iphone was, sans camera... A JOKE.
Stop being fanboys and revolt already. Stop eating the gruel. It used to be gourmet meals, now it's turning into slop and we are being told by the chef it's magical slop, just eat it, no big deal.
I think the only reason apple put a matte screen option back on the 17" MB pro was because of the bitching... so I bitch in the hope that people will follow and hopefully force them to serve gourmet food once again. That is my hope.
Don't buy this tablet as it is now. It sends them the message that we believe
gruel is fine and that the emperor is wearing clothes.The iPad is NOT a '13" MBP, a 24" Al iMac, and an 8 year old Dell desktop'. None of these devices use an ultra low power system on chip, and they all have mains power. As you observe these machines have Flash largely because they are desktop class machines which are powerful.
The iPad is a marvel of a handheld design. Imagine someone handing you this thing in 1995!! Still today, it's an amazing device, which will prove, in time, to be used in many ways. We currently we are all not able to conceive. Home automation control surface, home security monitoring (wireless camera at your front door transmitting to the iPad). I'm sure Job's in on the ball enough to see the potential.