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I agree keep Flash out, all it does is help Adobe a slow down everyone's browser

Why not make it available for those who wish to turn it on and leave it off for those who do not want it?

Everyone wins that way.
 
Not to totally flog you but people like you are part of the problem... Relying on Flash because it's easy... Have you seen some of the animations that are possible with HTML5 + JavaScript? It's pretty damned advanced and tutorials make it easy... I don't think animations are all that necessary to transition between pictures for that matter... It's pointless eye-candy to make your pictures look better. Furthermore, people like you who don a developer hat make craptastic Flash sites that are full of bugs that end up crashing the browser... Apple doesn't want that liability to translate to their mobile platform getting the blame.

No, you are the problem.

90% or more of photographers use Flash to build galleries because:

1) There are very sophisticated kits to build quality Flash galleries.

2) Flash allows them to protect their images from download

3) they are photographers, not programmers

Get it?

Develop tools for photographers to build galleries without them needing to be AJAX and php experts, then we can talk.


And to the rest of you, I recommend you read the daringfireball article linked by another user... It gives good TECHNICAL reasons why it's not so easy to get Flash to run on the ARM architecture... I don't expect people without a CS degree to fully understand but Flash has been bloated to an insane degree with very little attention paid to efficiency as they've added that bloat... It's so bad that they can't make those efficient without losing backwards compatibility... So basically, the ARM architecture coupled with the baked-in inefficiencies in how the code actually operates would not translate into a good experience on the iPhone or iPad.

Assuming this is true, then they need to make that clear, but they need to push new ways of doing things.

Flash wasn't really missed on the iPhone screen. It will be missed on the iPad screen.
 
Troll... HA! I've owned apple products FOREVER.

I've hated Microcrap.

Apple started going downhill when they got rid of matte screens and didn't care. Then there was the crippled iphone (which jailbreaking made into a real computer, for the most part).

I LOVE my jailbroken iphone. It does multitask WONDERFULLY. No thanks to apple!

The current IMAC I7's are lemons, according to everyone and they can't even ship them for 3 weeks they are so bad.

Normally I won't respond to newbie bait but dude I have TWO 27" iMacs. Both work wonderfully. So please stop spreading the untruth about the 27" iMac.

I also have TWO iPhones and they both work great so please stop the jail breaking crap too.

People are saying Apple is sooo bad and evil. It's my opinion that people like yourself is what spreads all the bad stuff around.

Sell your Macs and your iPhone and go buy PC's and HTC phones.

And PLEASE leave this place.

I am SICK and TIRED of seeing all the fanboi crap everywhere. And to be frank. It's MacRumors fault for allowing it.
Just look at your username. iPadSad ? WTF is with that. So original. Kudos to you.
 
Apple doesn't care. They are a multi-billion dollar company. They work on their own agenda.
Here's one take on Apple's anti-Flash agenda.

http://www.chuqui.com/2010/01/some-thoughts-on-the-ipad/
Another theme I’m seeing tonight is the lack of flash on the device. No surprise.

If you really want to know why, think back a few years when Apple was trying to get back on its feet, and Adobe made a decision not to support its video products on the Mac, and instead tried to convince its mac customers to switch to PCs.

Apple’s response then was ultimately to bring out its own video products — final cut — and ultimately ate the market out from Adobe. Later, when Apple was making the conversion to the intel platform, Adobe’s enthusiasm for bringing out Photoshop and its flagship products was most noticable — by how late they were and how uninterested Adobe seemed in actually trying to help Apple succeed.

So now, when Apple has these really successful platforms and Adobes wants a piece of them, and yet Apple shows no real enthusiasm or hurry to cooperate?

Well, folks, payback’s a bitch, and if you only see your partners for what they can do for you today, well, don’t whine when they choose to return the favor when the shoe is on the other foot.

Burn your bridges with thought, folks, because you never know when you might want them back. And they’ll remember. Apple sure does.

And wouldn’t it be great irony if Apple uses its platforms to turn Flash from a success to an also-ran by supporting HTML5 on platforms that are in enough demand that people who currently are building flash-based things end up recoding those things away from flash to support the platforms people are demanding? Just like — oh, say — Youtube just did? Hmm.
 
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Well if it doesn't render on release its false advertising
 
Troll... HA! I've owned apple products FOREVER.

I've hated Microcrap.

Apple started going downhill when they got rid of matte screens and didn't care. Then there was the crippled iphone (which jailbreaking made into a real computer, for the most part).

I LOVE my jailbroken iphone. It does multitask WONDERFULLY. No thanks to apple!

The current IMAC I7's are lemons, according to everyone and they can't even ship them for 3 weeks they are so bad.

I need a new macbook pro, but they haven't announced any I7's/I5's yet (behind the curve here too).

And I was interested in the Ipad... was ready to have my socks blown off, but that went backwards! And it's crippled like my iphone was, sans camera... A JOKE.

Stop being fanboys and revolt already. Stop eating the gruel. It used to be gourmet meals, now it's turning into slop and we are being told by the chef it's magical slop, just eat it, no big deal.

I think the only reason apple put a matte screen option back on the 17" MB pro was because of the bitching... so I bitch in the hope that people will follow and hopefully force them to serve gourmet food once again. That is my hope.

Don't buy this tablet as it is now. It sends them the message that we believe :mad: gruel is fine and that the emperor is wearing clothes.

I really thought the thing would have heat coils in it so I could put it in the middle of my table and cook fondue on it. I'M SO DISAPPOINTED THAT APPLE DIDN'T FULFILL MY EVERY FANTASY WITH THEIR LATEST TECHNOLOGY!!! WAAAAHHH WAAHH!! Get over it.
 
Normally I won't respond to newbie bait but dude I have TWO 27" iMacs. Both work wonderfully. So please stop spreading the untruth about the 27" iMac.

I also have TWO iPhones and they both work great so please stop the jail breaking crap too.

People are saying Apple is sooo bad and evil. It's my opinion that people like yourself is what spreads all the bad stuff around.

Sell your Macs and your iPhone and go buy PC's and HTC phones.

And PLEASE leave this place.

I am SICK and TIRED of seeing all the fanboi crap everywhere. And to be frank. It's MacRumors fault for allowing it.
Just look at your username. iPadSad ? WTF is with that. So original. Kudos to you.


Go read the apple forums on the I7's, and gizmodo, and do a google search... you got lucky or you are a liar...

And, you must be one of those people that don't know the difference between potted meat and filet mignon....
 
This is off topic but I am assuming this thing has the new anti-smug screen that the 3GS has?
 
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Well if it doesn't render on release its false advertising

FTC would be on Apples ass. Especially if they say its a better browsing experience and does not render flash.

They need to tread carefully especially if they did a mockup of the NYT website and customers do not get the same experience.
 
Flash sucks. It's bloatware. A resource-hog. Needs a plug in. Isn't ADA compliant (as in, handicap accessible, which all educational sites need to be), kills batters, and the only thing it's good for these days is cheesy cartoons and maybe Homestarrunner.

REAL web designers, all the big guns, all the gurus, almost all the ones at conferences and or designing the web for the future, 2.0 to web 3.0, are doing kickass things in javascript, jquery, AJAX, and other languages which pretty much blow flash out of the water for size, effort, and most importantly compliance. You really don't NEED to ever use flash for 99.5% of all the web sites ever made, ever. Period. No discussion. Fact. Deal with it whiners. It's a deadend. It's pointless. It was okay in the 90s, but technology has passed it, and that technology runs leaner, quicker, and is compliant on EVERY platform (though sometimes excepting versions if IE but IE sucks anyways and no designer worth his salt likes IE) which, that's the beauty of NOT using Flash, design once, deploy everywhere on any platform no needs for plugins or having pages drain your battery. It's a beautiful thing.

All the lame things it does overall are only being griped and wanting by 1. people who are clueless about how it's not necessary any more and 2. their lame developers stuck with the archaic knowledge of problematic "programming" [sic] language ActionScript.

You don't get it.

I would agree with your first paragraph. And even your second, but...

You are missing the point.

There are thousands of photographers using Flash-based web galleries to show their work to potential clients. Flash is the only game in town to do this. (And there are similar markets in interior decorating, and similar fields).

They use Flash because they don't need to be a programmer to build the gallery. At most they need to tweak a little XML, and plenty of tools do that for them.

They are NOT going to hire you to build a custom Ruby-on-Rails site for them.

You want to make money? Build a Web 2.0 version of what the Flash tools offer those professionals to display their work, that is as easy to use as the current family of Flash tools are (look at SlideShowPro for example).

Remember, they are professionals in their fields, and not programmers. They are not going to go to AJAX/Ruby/PHP/etc just because Web 2.0 is the future.

It's not that develops are using Flash, it's that everyone else is now.
 
Brainwashing...

I'm not posting here... seems like a lot of people have succumbed and can no longer hear reason. Eat the gruel. You deserve it. I just hate seeing a company I've supported with my cash making sub-par products. Adios, mindless fanboys.
 
Why not make it available for those who wish to turn it on and leave it off for those who do not want it?

Everyone wins that way.

The fact of the matter is that Flash will cut into the profit$ of the App Store.

Apple does not give a F about user experience, battery life, and all the other pointless reasons not to include Flash, with the option to turn it off for the few who don't want it.

It's all about $$$!
 
Take a Deap Breath!

From what I am hearing, We should be seeing another media event within the next 2 months. That means that apple is probably getting ready to release 4.0 for the iphone and the ipod touch which would be around the same time the iPad would be shipping. Since the unshipped iPad runs a type of 3.0, a type of 4.0 will be released for the iPad. Therefore iPhone 4.0 more than likely has flash capabilities. The reason there is so much question about flash and the iPad is because apple has more surprises up their sleeves. They do not want to explain because it would ruin the surprise of 4.0 and the iphone 4g. Apple will never disappoint. At least they have never disappointed me! SO the best thing we can do is sit back, relax and wait for the next media event!
VivA La :apple:
 
Go read the apple forums on the I7's, and gizmodo, and do a google search... you got lucky or you are a liar...

And, you must be one of those people that don't know the difference between potted meat and filet mignon....

First off. Do not EVER infer that I am a liar.

Secondly I am a retired Chef.

Also I just looked over ALL of your posts since you joined and they have ALL been " FIX THIS", "I HATE THAT".

I should get a time-out for my words but you. I'm guessing you're 15 or so. Should be banned to Redmond.
 
The fact of the matter is that Flash will cut into the profit$ of the App Store.

Apple does not give a F about user experience, battery life, and all the other pointless reasons not to include Flash, with the option for the few who don't want it.

It's all about $$$!
Unfortunately I think that's about right. It's not about altruism and saving the Internet, it's about stopping people playing free Flash games when they could be buying them from the App store. And watching free video, and other companies' subscription video.
 
Go read the apple forums on the I7's, and gizmodo, and do a google search... you got lucky or you are a liar...
Actually, the problem is the internet changes perception. Forums can be ablaze with problems but usually people go to forums to vent, not rave about how the product's working great for them. In other words, a forum is actually a poor indicator of quality because it doesn't represent the vast majority of people using the product only the people who are really having the problem.
 
Until they FIX IT! It needs a camera (at least 1) and FLASH SUPPORT. I put up with lack of flash on my iphone, but it's unacceptable for this device. Apple and STEVE should be ashamed! Period! (pun intended).:mad:

Ahh, you must be one of those paid people from the competitors. Why else would you create such a username and telling people here not to buy the iPad? You do realize you're stuck with the name? So if Apple addresses all of your issues, that forum name will seem a bit ridiculous, don't you think? I think many people here are well aware of what the iPad does, we don't need you to make sure we fully understand. You're needs are not my needs so if you don't want it, don't buy it, but don't come here telling me not to. :p.
 
The fact of the matter is that Flash will cut into the profit$ of the App Store.

Apple does not give a F about user experience, battery life, and all the other pointless reasons not to include Flash, with the option for the few who don't want it.

It's all about $$$!
Apple loses money either way.

Without Flash, they lose sales $$$ from people not buying it because it doesn't have Flash.

With Flash, they potentially lose App Store sales $$$ from people who use free Flash apps instead of native apps. Although when the iPhone first launched, the only apps available were web apps, and people bitched and moaned that web apps weren't what they wanted .. they wanted native apps.
 
Keep in mind NYT specifically stated they've redesigned the entire site to include an iPad specific version. So this Flash content everyone keeps talking about might not be Flash at all and could very easily be done with any number of other web technologies supported by the new mobile safari browser.

The Apple ad video is not false advertising... yet. :)

And I don't think they're too concerned with losing sales at all. Exactly how many people are willing to NOT purchase an iPhone, iPod, iPad simply because it does not support Flash content? I would be willing to bet not very many at all. And definitely not enough to put any significant dent in profits as evident by their current sales trends. Yes Flash would be very nice to have but IMO I much prefer sites that have no Flash content at all as they load far more effeciently. Flash has become a huge memory hog, mainly due to the way in which many developers write their Flash content. People get too carried away with it. Not to mention Adobe's habbit of bloating everything they touch. When it was owned by Macromedia we saw updates when they were absolutely necessary. Now we are seeing updates all the time. A good web developer does not need Flash at all IMO. :)
 
I use Click to Flash on my Mac to stop Flash. The only time I 'click to flash' is on YouTube, and the iPhone/iPad, well they have an App for that.
I can't wait for a world without Flash, where HTML 5 is king.

Oh, and I can't recall the last time I've had lag/slow down/crashing in Safari now.

:)
 
if they do support flash eventually, I'd hope/wish you could toggle it on/off. bad flash makes machines (both pc & mac) sluggish, I think we can all agree on that. if they choose to never support flash I can't say I blame them. every time a site loads and it is only flash i cringe and sometimes just close it anyway.
 
photographer here, no flash please...

You don't get it.

I would agree with your first paragraph. And even your second, but...

You are missing the point.

There are thousands of photographers using Flash-based web galleries to show their work to potential clients. Flash is the only game in town to do this. (And there are similar markets in interior decorating, and similar fields).

They use Flash because they don't need to be a programmer to build the gallery. At most they need to tweak a little XML, and plenty of tools do that for them.

They are NOT going to hire you to build a custom Ruby-on-Rails site for them.

You want to make money? Build a Web 2.0 version of what the Flash tools offer those professionals to display their work, that is as easy to use as the current family of Flash tools are (look at SlideShowPro for example).

Remember, they are professionals in their fields, and not programmers. They are not going to go to AJAX/Ruby/PHP/etc just because Web 2.0 is the future.

It's not that develops are using Flash, it's that everyone else is now.

There are also excellent tools to auto-generate great looking html pages to show clients. Personally, I don't use flash for this kind of thing because it's just a hassle - It looks nice IF your client has their flash plug-in updated. I've had instances with clients who had not, and it led to a lot of frustrating phone calls & e-mails, and made me look stupid. No more. If you subtly watermark your images, and don't post full-res versions, and deal with reputable clients, there's no concern about getting your images "stolen".

All that said, I would think there would be some way to support a "crippled Flash", that would work for like 85% of basic flash content, have a smaller overhead, and avoid the security problems by not supporting flash features which are subject to those issues.
 
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