I agree keep Flash out, all it does is help Adobe a slow down everyone's browser
Why not make it available for those who wish to turn it on and leave it off for those who do not want it?
Everyone wins that way.
I agree keep Flash out, all it does is help Adobe a slow down everyone's browser
Not to totally flog you but people like you are part of the problem... Relying on Flash because it's easy... Have you seen some of the animations that are possible with HTML5 + JavaScript? It's pretty damned advanced and tutorials make it easy... I don't think animations are all that necessary to transition between pictures for that matter... It's pointless eye-candy to make your pictures look better. Furthermore, people like you who don a developer hat make craptastic Flash sites that are full of bugs that end up crashing the browser... Apple doesn't want that liability to translate to their mobile platform getting the blame.
And to the rest of you, I recommend you read the daringfireball article linked by another user... It gives good TECHNICAL reasons why it's not so easy to get Flash to run on the ARM architecture... I don't expect people without a CS degree to fully understand but Flash has been bloated to an insane degree with very little attention paid to efficiency as they've added that bloat... It's so bad that they can't make those efficient without losing backwards compatibility... So basically, the ARM architecture coupled with the baked-in inefficiencies in how the code actually operates would not translate into a good experience on the iPhone or iPad.
Troll... HA! I've owned apple products FOREVER.
I've hated Microcrap.
Apple started going downhill when they got rid of matte screens and didn't care. Then there was the crippled iphone (which jailbreaking made into a real computer, for the most part).
I LOVE my jailbroken iphone. It does multitask WONDERFULLY. No thanks to apple!
The current IMAC I7's are lemons, according to everyone and they can't even ship them for 3 weeks they are so bad.
Here's one take on Apple's anti-Flash agenda.Apple doesn't care. They are a multi-billion dollar company. They work on their own agenda.
Another theme Im seeing tonight is the lack of flash on the device. No surprise.
If you really want to know why, think back a few years when Apple was trying to get back on its feet, and Adobe made a decision not to support its video products on the Mac, and instead tried to convince its mac customers to switch to PCs.
Apples response then was ultimately to bring out its own video products final cut and ultimately ate the market out from Adobe. Later, when Apple was making the conversion to the intel platform, Adobes enthusiasm for bringing out Photoshop and its flagship products was most noticable by how late they were and how uninterested Adobe seemed in actually trying to help Apple succeed.
So now, when Apple has these really successful platforms and Adobes wants a piece of them, and yet Apple shows no real enthusiasm or hurry to cooperate?
Well, folks, paybacks a bitch, and if you only see your partners for what they can do for you today, well, dont whine when they choose to return the favor when the shoe is on the other foot.
Burn your bridges with thought, folks, because you never know when you might want them back. And theyll remember. Apple sure does.
And wouldnt it be great irony if Apple uses its platforms to turn Flash from a success to an also-ran by supporting HTML5 on platforms that are in enough demand that people who currently are building flash-based things end up recoding those things away from flash to support the platforms people are demanding? Just like oh, say Youtube just did? Hmm.
Here's one take on Apple's anti-Flash agenda.
http://www.chuqui.com/2010/01/some-thoughts-on-the-ipad/
Troll... HA! I've owned apple products FOREVER.
I've hated Microcrap.
Apple started going downhill when they got rid of matte screens and didn't care. Then there was the crippled iphone (which jailbreaking made into a real computer, for the most part).
I LOVE my jailbroken iphone. It does multitask WONDERFULLY. No thanks to apple!
The current IMAC I7's are lemons, according to everyone and they can't even ship them for 3 weeks they are so bad.
I need a new macbook pro, but they haven't announced any I7's/I5's yet (behind the curve here too).
And I was interested in the Ipad... was ready to have my socks blown off, but that went backwards! And it's crippled like my iphone was, sans camera... A JOKE.
Stop being fanboys and revolt already. Stop eating the gruel. It used to be gourmet meals, now it's turning into slop and we are being told by the chef it's magical slop, just eat it, no big deal.
I think the only reason apple put a matte screen option back on the 17" MB pro was because of the bitching... so I bitch in the hope that people will follow and hopefully force them to serve gourmet food once again. That is my hope.
Don't buy this tablet as it is now. It sends them the message that we believegruel is fine and that the emperor is wearing clothes.
Normally I won't respond to newbie bait but dude I have TWO 27" iMacs. Both work wonderfully. So please stop spreading the untruth about the 27" iMac.
I also have TWO iPhones and they both work great so please stop the jail breaking crap too.
People are saying Apple is sooo bad and evil. It's my opinion that people like yourself is what spreads all the bad stuff around.
Sell your Macs and your iPhone and go buy PC's and HTC phones.
And PLEASE leave this place.
I am SICK and TIRED of seeing all the fanboi crap everywhere. And to be frank. It's MacRumors fault for allowing it.
Just look at your username. iPadSad ? WTF is with that. So original. Kudos to you.
Correct.This is off topic but I am assuming this thing has the new anti-smug screen that the 3GS has?
This is off topic but I am assuming this thing has the new anti-smug screen that the 3GS has?
Wirelessly posted (Opera/9.80 (J2ME/MIDP; Opera Mini/5.0.16831/2444; U; en) Presto/2.2.0)
Well if it doesn't render on release its false advertising
Flash sucks. It's bloatware. A resource-hog. Needs a plug in. Isn't ADA compliant (as in, handicap accessible, which all educational sites need to be), kills batters, and the only thing it's good for these days is cheesy cartoons and maybe Homestarrunner.
REAL web designers, all the big guns, all the gurus, almost all the ones at conferences and or designing the web for the future, 2.0 to web 3.0, are doing kickass things in javascript, jquery, AJAX, and other languages which pretty much blow flash out of the water for size, effort, and most importantly compliance. You really don't NEED to ever use flash for 99.5% of all the web sites ever made, ever. Period. No discussion. Fact. Deal with it whiners. It's a deadend. It's pointless. It was okay in the 90s, but technology has passed it, and that technology runs leaner, quicker, and is compliant on EVERY platform (though sometimes excepting versions if IE but IE sucks anyways and no designer worth his salt likes IE) which, that's the beauty of NOT using Flash, design once, deploy everywhere on any platform no needs for plugins or having pages drain your battery. It's a beautiful thing.
All the lame things it does overall are only being griped and wanting by 1. people who are clueless about how it's not necessary any more and 2. their lame developers stuck with the archaic knowledge of problematic "programming" [sic] language ActionScript.
Why not make it available for those who wish to turn it on and leave it off for those who do not want it?
Everyone wins that way.
Go read the apple forums on the I7's, and gizmodo, and do a google search... you got lucky or you are a liar...
And, you must be one of those people that don't know the difference between potted meat and filet mignon....
Unfortunately I think that's about right. It's not about altruism and saving the Internet, it's about stopping people playing free Flash games when they could be buying them from the App store. And watching free video, and other companies' subscription video.The fact of the matter is that Flash will cut into the profit$ of the App Store.
Apple does not give a F about user experience, battery life, and all the other pointless reasons not to include Flash, with the option for the few who don't want it.
It's all about $$$!
Actually, the problem is the internet changes perception. Forums can be ablaze with problems but usually people go to forums to vent, not rave about how the product's working great for them. In other words, a forum is actually a poor indicator of quality because it doesn't represent the vast majority of people using the product only the people who are really having the problem.Go read the apple forums on the I7's, and gizmodo, and do a google search... you got lucky or you are a liar...
Until they FIX IT! It needs a camera (at least 1) and FLASH SUPPORT. I put up with lack of flash on my iphone, but it's unacceptable for this device. Apple and STEVE should be ashamed! Period! (pun intended).![]()
Apple loses money either way.The fact of the matter is that Flash will cut into the profit$ of the App Store.
Apple does not give a F about user experience, battery life, and all the other pointless reasons not to include Flash, with the option for the few who don't want it.
It's all about $$$!
You don't get it.
I would agree with your first paragraph. And even your second, but...
You are missing the point.
There are thousands of photographers using Flash-based web galleries to show their work to potential clients. Flash is the only game in town to do this. (And there are similar markets in interior decorating, and similar fields).
They use Flash because they don't need to be a programmer to build the gallery. At most they need to tweak a little XML, and plenty of tools do that for them.
They are NOT going to hire you to build a custom Ruby-on-Rails site for them.
You want to make money? Build a Web 2.0 version of what the Flash tools offer those professionals to display their work, that is as easy to use as the current family of Flash tools are (look at SlideShowPro for example).
Remember, they are professionals in their fields, and not programmers. They are not going to go to AJAX/Ruby/PHP/etc just because Web 2.0 is the future.
It's not that develops are using Flash, it's that everyone else is now.