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iPhone 11 Pro Max Outperforms Competing Smartphones to Earn DisplayMate's Highest Ever A+ Grade
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I’ve had mine since Friday (went from an iPhone 8) and seriously haven't noticed it at all
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Has anyone seen the new real world speed tests comparing the X, XS and Pro models? I looked for an article everywhere here and could not find one...Are they trying to hide the latest findings? It appears so
lol at all these fanboys circle jerking to displaymate and soon to be dxmark for the camera. then in march will trash these same sites when the s11 comes out and suddenly these sites have no credibility. rinse and repeat each year
New phone is slower than last year's model. No difference in Face ID unlock angle either. This proves that synthetic benchmarks are useless marketing tools.
Just saw a video where the iPhone 11 pro max beat the Xs max. I guess it depends jn what you measure and how you measure it and believe the software will eventually be tweaked.
Just saw the scratch test video from JerryRigEverything, not the biggest iPhone fan, while doing the razor blade scratch test "the rear glass is actually damaging my blade" Painful to watch but the test definitely speaks for Apple !
Here is more-or-less how it works (even if the choice is inevitable):
- Apple want a display that meets certain criteria, and put out a tender for it
- Few manufactures agree they can meet that specification (brightness, pixel density, calibration/accuracy, whitepoint consistency etc..), and a few say they don't even have the facility or would need radical long term investment to do so and still might not meet the short term order numbers Apple are asking for, so they drop out.
- Samsung OLED devision are one of the few who say they can at least "achieve the specification" within their current facilities, amongst some other lesser known manufactures with OLED patents
- An even smaller handful said they can actually meet this specification with the order numbers Apple are asking for (Samsung included), and some who can, also said they cannot do each panel for the price range apple are seeking so stay in the race. More drop out early again.
*this is a big tender worth a lot to whoever wants it*
- So the few remaining now go away to crunch some numbers so as to compete on price per unit but to a point where the contract is still profitable/worthwhile for the supplier.
- Samsung have the best OLED facility so either come up the cheapest or nearly cheapest but most dependable (likely to uphold their promise on spec, supply and QC)
- Contract is signed/renewed for the new display model for the iPhone 11 Pro, which is exclusively made for Apple, by Samsung (mostly using Samsung technology though).
In the meantime a process like this might be going on:
- Samsung Mobile (not Samsung OLED/electronics) goes to Samsung OLED/electronics asking for similar spec
- Samsung OLED said Apple are paying $300 for each display and Samsung Mobile want similar/same for $200 each.
- Samsung OLED said are facility can only output a certain amount at that spec and the highest payer has booked it all out.
- Samsung mobile lower spec / agree on "still pretty fantastic display" for the galaxy (no 1200nits true HDR)
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Don't be fooled by fans on both sides of this, the mobile industry is all just a business. At the end of the day it's good for both companies, Apple are now pushing Samsung OLED division further than ever, while Samsung Mobile has proven for some time that OLED is a great technology and can achieve the very-best display performance in a mobile (if you want it).
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Sorry, not buying this BS. Phones like the OnePlus 7 Pro are larger, yet features more pixels at 517, to the iPhone Pro's 458. The OP also has wide-gamut color, a 90hz refresh rate for smoother performance. I assume those folks over at DisplayMate haven't see the rest of the displays out there. I went to Best Buy and saw the 11 Pro Max and compared to my OnePlus 7 Pro, I still think my own eyes prefer the 7 Pro.
Love the swagger in here, yes the new pros probably have the best camera, best and most secure face unlock security, best camera for both stills now and videos for quiet sometime, very capable battery life and best processor. They are verrrrry good phones. Probably the best overall phone if you don't take OS preference into consideration? Ya I'd probably agree to that.
What would put it over the top is not leaving out reverse wireless charging, shrinking those bezels and notch and you have about as good as smartphone as you can. Well maybe toss in a Qualcomm modem vs Intel then it's about as good as you can get. Oh and maybe start the entry level of storage at 128G. Oh and maybe 5G capable but it's really early days for 5G and not a lot of service areas so I can let that one slide.
Nice to see iphone starting to kick butt again, but there's still some room for improvement.
What would put it over the top is not leaving out reverse wireless charging, shrinking those bezels and notch and you have about as good as smartphone as you can. Well maybe toss in a Qualcomm modem vs Intel then it's about as good as you can get. Oh and maybe start the entry level of storage at 128G. Oh and maybe 5G capable but it's really early days for 5G and not a lot of service areas so I can let that one slide.
Nice to see iphone starting to kick butt again, but there's still some room for improvement.
Designed by Apple, manufactured by Samsung. You make it sound like they're just buying off-the-shelf parts lol.
No, it just proves people are easily fooled by bogus tests. My favorite analogy?
Imagine testing video cards and you load up 10 different games in a row and time how long it takes to get to the main screen. Then you do it a second time and add both times together to declare which video card is faster.
or......
You run 10 different games and try each game at 1080P, 1440P and 4K and at various detail settings. Then you measure the FPS in all modes and average them out across all games to give a final result for fastest video card.
Which of these methods do you think is what testers actually use and which method will make you the laughing stock of the entire gaming industry?
i mean they have to thank samsung. you act like they can just go get their screens made by lg or sony or some chinese company. samsung makes the best mobile displays on the market and apple HAS to use them if they want the best quality. plain and simply. so yes thank samsung for that display.
the better video card would win both test. just like the best most fastest and awesomest a13 chip should win no matter what right? the most powerful chip in the industry shouldn't lose in any test. especially since it's benchmark is so far superior to anything else on the market. maybe apple doesn't know how to utilize their own hardware?
I think one of the qualms people have with the claim that it's Apple's display instead of Samsung is it completely ignores the work that Samsung put into developing and building OLED technology and the bulk of the work they did to make OLED available.
essentially, Samsung build AMOLED tech. the R&D required for it. The decade or so of development. the building of the manufacturing plants, and the business deals to provide it for everyone.
They then offer to Apple, who asks for a slightly different layout.
Apple then turns around and claims they've done all the work of designing their OLED themselves.
it's a bit disingenous because they are beholden to the technology that Samsung has development. There's no Apple OLED currently without the entire history of OLED to bring the technology to the point that Apple asks for.
Essentially in a bad analogy:
Samsung develops a Car. they spend decades testing it. Building numerous versions. getting it up to the point that everyone considers it the best car in the business.
Apple comes along and asks for a special order of that car with slightly darker tints, a few slightly different body panels to give it their own unique look.
Than Apple turns around, sells that car as 100% designed by Apple.
But that's why so many people here are looked at weirdly when they claim that Apple designed and implemented this display on their own. I do not doubt that Apple has special influence in some of the aspects of the display. But they're standing on Samsung's shoulders of work in display technologies and cannot claim that they've designed anything here on their own.
However, Like many times before, Apple's slight revision is well thought out enough to make it stand out on it's own. Add in the individually tuned displays, and better display calibration and yes, They look absolutely amazing on the iPhone.
it's just purely nonsense and disingenous to claim Apple designed the displays and are sole owners for AMOLED as it exists in iPhones.
essentially, Samsung build AMOLED tech. the R&D required for it. The decade or so of development. the building of the manufacturing plants, and the business deals to provide it for everyone.
They then offer to Apple, who asks for a slightly different layout.
Apple then turns around and claims they've done all the work of designing their OLED themselves.
it's a bit disingenous because they are beholden to the technology that Samsung has development. There's no Apple OLED currently without the entire history of OLED to bring the technology to the point that Apple asks for.
Essentially in a bad analogy:
Samsung develops a Car. they spend decades testing it. Building numerous versions. getting it up to the point that everyone considers it the best car in the business.
Apple comes along and asks for a special order of that car with slightly darker tints, a few slightly different body panels to give it their own unique look.
Than Apple turns around, sells that car as 100% designed by Apple.
But that's why so many people here are looked at weirdly when they claim that Apple designed and implemented this display on their own. I do not doubt that Apple has special influence in some of the aspects of the display. But they're standing on Samsung's shoulders of work in display technologies and cannot claim that they've designed anything here on their own.
However, Like many times before, Apple's slight revision is well thought out enough to make it stand out on it's own. Add in the individually tuned displays, and better display calibration and yes, They look absolutely amazing on the iPhone.
it's just purely nonsense and disingenous to claim Apple designed the displays and are sole owners for AMOLED as it exists in iPhones.
No it wouldn't since the video card has absolutely NOTHING to do with how fast a game loads.
App races (like the video shown above) are beyond stupid. It's a pity people actually think they represent a reliable way of benchmarking performance.
But we know why they exist:
Apple processors trounce everything else on the planet. This is very upsetting to users of Android devices or those that generally dislike Apple. So they take years of accepted practices for measuring performance and throw them out the window in exchange for some "new" fabricated (and easy to cheat on) test that shows their preferred devices in a better light. Always moving the goalposts.
To me it’s like this:
- Kodak invented oled
- Samsung and others used that invention
- Apple designed/specced out the screen
- Samsung manufactured the screen
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Except Apple didn't design the screen. They simply specced it to have x, y, and z features.
Samsung had to do the design work in order to build it and incorporate the spec elements into their OLED manufacturing process.
2.7K High Resolution Full HD+ 2688x1242 Display with 458 pixels per inch
As a result of its larger display size and larger Aspect Ratio, the iPhone 11 Pro Max has a 2.7K High Resolution Full HD+ display with 2688x1242 pixels and 458 pixels per inch, with 3.3 Mega Pixels, 61% more than an HDTV. The display has Diamond Sub-Pixels (see below) and Sub-Pixel Rendering with 458 pixels per inch (ppi), providing significantly higher image sharpness than can be resolved with normal 20/20 Vision at the typical viewing distances of 12 inches or more for Smartphones, so the display appears perfectly sharp. As a result, for Smartphones it is absolutely pointless to further increase the display resolution and pixels per inch (ppi) up to 4K (3940x2160 pixels) for a silly marketing wild goose chase into the stratosphere, with no visual benefit for humans!
*http://www.displaymate.com/iPhone_11Pro_ShootOut_1P.htm#Resolution
· 3K High Resolution Quad HD+ 3120x1440 Display with 516 pixels per inch
The OnePlus 7 Pro uses Sub-Pixel Rendering, which further improves image sharpness because the individual Red, Green and Blue Sub-Pixels are treated as independent addressable image elements and are not bound together into fixed Pixels, so the closest sub-pixel is used when rendering the image. In some cases Sub-Pixel Rendering can make the screen appear to have up to 3 times the resolution of traditional Pixel Rendering. As a result, for Smartphones it is absolutely pointless to further increase the display resolution and pixels per inch (ppi) up to 4K (3940x2160 pixels) for a silly marketing wild goose chase into the stratosphere, with no visual benefit for humans!
*http://www.displaymate.com/OnePlus_7Pro_ShootOut_1P.htm
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but instead of using your dumb example, the a13 chip DOES HAVE A TON TO DO WITH HOW FAST SOMETHING LOADS, and it's losing to inferior chips. so again, maybe apple doesn't know how to utilize their own hardware?
its nice to drool over benchmarks but then when you see an android phone half the price open things up just as fast, it makes you chuckle a little.
How is designing a display any different than designing a cpu for example? Apple doesn’t have capability to manufacture cpus either. OLED is a specification and there are many types of OLED displays and more than few ways of achieving what’s needed in a specific display.
Apple designed a display “ on paper” then someone manufactured a test batch then apple tested the quality and everything else they needed.
as a result it’s a display manufactured by Samsung that has different properties than the one in flagship Samsung devices.
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It’s no loosing to anyone, all your stupid tests do is measure os animations.
it lost to a year old xs max with the same animations. oops
not to mention you call this losing on animations??
One team at Apple has pioneered absolutely perfect screen color accuracy whilst another has devised an OS feature that gradually turns the screen yellow/orange as daylight fades. I can only imagine the loathing they feel for each other.
Because Apple ****ed it up with iOS 13, not because hardware is lacking.