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Literally ANY phone can be used for the most basic "pro" usecase ... taking business calls. I think I don't have to go any further than that.

Ah, I got it now: That means that rotary dial phone in my parents house when I was a kid was also a “PRO” device.
 
Apple sells "day old bread" for people that think the flagships are not worth the price.
Except apple’s “day old bread” is better than other bakers “fresh baked”, to continue with that analogy.
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So Apple increasing their prices every year is a "baseless assumption"?
What are the prices of the 2019 phones? Apple didn’t increase the prices every year for all models. With the iPhone 8 the plus models were actually reduced by $50.
 
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Finally, some logic to apple's devices naming, and still people criticises!

iPad
iPad mini
iPad Air
iPad Pro

iMac
Mac mini
Mac Pro

MacBook Air
MacBook Pro

iPhone
iPhone Pro
 
And of course "pro" will justify the much higher prices vs. the Samsung Note.

Yeah......that makes a lot of sense.
 
I can understand "pro" users for laptops and maybe even tablets but phones? Are they customer service agents who use a smartphone all day? Voice actors? Competitive texters?

What if this is a laptop? Just sayin. Adding USB-C could potentially make this a fully functional computer.
 
The number of cameras is not as important as what you can do using them. Samsung live video focus and 3D scanning features are very cool. I doubt Apple will show both this year. That means one year (and that’s a lot) behind Samsung and the next year Samsung will show something new. Apple is too slow these days. Same thing is happening with HomePod.

I concur looking at what Google has been able to prove compared to Apple.

Yep, some people will support Apple and claim well they may have been slow to incorporate this and that feature but it is done right, while other things like FaceID, well they did it first. I don’t believe FaceID on iPhone is perfect but to what has been available in this space it is better. May you prefer TouchID or FaceID it is a matter of preference.

Apple has been slipping into the mindset of brand recognition and riding that wave far too long with absurd pricing. People fail to understand that this increase in price gives the green light to the rest of the industry that increased prices are acceptable by the consumer. In the end the companies win and the consumer looses. But people are brainwashed by the marketing and status.
 
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Neither do I...congrats....your response is literally the dumbest thing I’ve read all day.

The “pro” monicker for a phone is ridiculously stupid...but par for the course for Tim Cook’s Apple.

I’m sure all the shills invited will give a standing O this fall though.

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Literally ANY phone can be used for the most basic "pro" usecase ... taking business calls. I think I don't have to go any further than that.
 
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Yup, these days consumers only buy phones based on the number of lenses. /s

Posh considering Google is able to do better with one lens that Apple still is unable to do with two and at a fraction of the price. ;):p
 
I’ve been stuck in the replace every 2 year cycle (except when my 8 pro was stolen right after I got it)
There is zero chance I buy the X... 11... whatever they call it.
My wife’s Xs is crap. The battery life is awful - and percent of new is LESS than my two year old 8 Pro... I mean Plus.
WiFi range is unusable.
Maybe I’ll get a new one in early 2021... after the 2020 rush dies down.
 
There, imo, is a target consumer audience for these phones. Consumers, who may not care about 5G, who are on older phones. The rumored feature set on these phones are fairly nice.

If price is an issue there always are android or other more expensive android models.

I am curious to see how the Max sales are for the 2019 models. Last year Max sales outnumbered XS because there was a demand to have a direct replacement for the Plus model. However over the following quarters the XR did well, not because of screen size but price as Apple had a lot of trade-in and other promo incentives advertised heavily at that model.

I wonder once the initial demand (if there is actually one) for this “Pro” iPhone has been met, what will Apple’s game plan be. At present Apple sells the SE,6S/+,7,8,X(some markets),XS,XR and Max. The Pro model is it in addition too or are they going to drop any other models. There is a big gap in the smaller device model lineup, I still miss my SE. :(
 
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So Apple increasing their prices every year is a "baseless assumption"?
Comparable-model off-contract price increases for current- and previous-year iPhones:
  • iPhone 3Gs to iPhone 4: $599 to $649
  • iPhone 6s Plus to iPhone 7 Plus: $749 to $769
  • iPhone 7 to iPhone 8: $649 to $699
  • iPhone 7 Plus to iPhone 8 Plus: $769 to $799
  • iPhone 8 to iPhone XR: $699 to $749 (throwing this in strictly as the "base model flagship," though it's arguable whether an iPhone XR is a comparable model to an iPhone 8)
In general, surprise, phones that are more expensive to produce are more expensive to buy.

I wouldn't be too surprised if we see iPhone 11's price drop to something as low as $699, but I also wouldn't be surprised if it stays at $749. I would be surprised if any of these three iPhones is more expensive than last year's comparable model.

Plus, if we start at $599 in 2007, the "price of entry" to the current year's iPhones has roughly kept pace with inflation.
 
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Pro is the last thing iPhone needs. iPhone needs a dose of reality and accessibility.

It is completely inappropriate that Apple has moved the bar of what a flagship iPhone is out of reach of just about everyone that used to buy them.
 
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