Same size of bloody notch and 60Hz display is exactly what I need to hear and save 1k EUR.
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
iPhone 12 Pro Likely to Ship With 60Hz Display, But Launch Delay to Add 120Hz Possible
- Thread starter MacRumors
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
But whose fault is that othe than Apple's?
As I posted earlier, Galaxy S20+ is 4mm narrower, 4mm taller than a 11 Pro Max; lets call it roughly the same volume of internal space (roughly). 4500mah battery.
11 Pro Max 3969mah now, respectable. But WHY drop it to 3600mah (whatever the exact rumored spec is)???? Whose choice was that?
Clearly Samsung can engineer in high refresh and a big battery all with 5G. And released 6 months ago almost.
So a company worth $2 trillion cant?
i mean look, Ive owned every iPhone since the 3GS (minus one S year, the 4S or 5S didnt upgrade) but a 🐑 is a 🐑 is a 🐑 There is simply no defending it here why Apple is falling behind so badly rehashing the same phones (other than profits, hence the market cap).
I couldnt name 1 regular world person (not a dev/coder) who thinks LIDAR is useful but you have to pay for it. Apple keeps pushing this AR train that simply isnt leaving the station.
5G is arguably useless right now as well; in another 2-3-4 years yes. I get that's a spec they have to include on their sheet though. But for now the 5G isnt worth the per device cost right now if its really $75-125 as reported. Although curious how mid-range phones can include 90-120hz and 5g just fine with a big battery for 1/2-2/3 the price. Clearly Apple is more concerned about profits though, which me the average consumer, couldnt care less about.
Last edited:
Hmm I tend to agree but if your are talking about Samsung phones.
If Apple is good, they can pack 120 Hz refresh rate and keep same autonomy. Like the watch with reduced frame refresh rate...
To be honest I own max sized phone and I keep more on refresh rate than super quad hd resolution... but indeed 120Hz to read my mails... useless...
No I hope iPhone 12 is shortcut of 120Hz... 120 Watts quick charger, 12 days autonomy and sold for 1200$ 😀
Looks like another year with my perfectly capable XS Max. Thanks for saving me $1200+, Apple.
No. Some of us are just realistic.
1) we can’t see the difference
2) our current phones don’t have it and they work just fine and we love them
3) you can count the number of people who will make a buying decision based on that “feature” in the dozens (and all of them are in this thread whining about how a phone they know nothing about is going to suck)
I have a 2017 12.9" iPad Pro with Pro Motion display and an iPhone XR that I use every day, all day, day in, day out and I don't notice the difference at all when switching between the two devices to the extent that I'm salivating over an upgrade to the iPhone.
I think this is still confined to the spec chasers on this forum who have ****-measuring contests with their Android friends and are tired of having this thrown in their faces at the end of every argument. Find a better hobby.
Deceased for almost 9 years now. Did you not get the memo?
Because we all know Steve was all about the “throw random features in there even if they make no difference to the final product” school of business.
Why listen to rumors, 120Hz may never come out on iPhone. Who knows 🤷♂️
Last edited:
They better do something about that battery... or it better come with solar panels (like the space station).
If Apple has good enough reasons to explain why they can't include 120Hz this year, I will personally give them a pass & still buy the latest iPhone whenever it's released.
With that said, I don't want Apple to grow complacent on not investing enough in boosting its hardwares. Apple has numerous key advantages over its Android rivals, but those advantages shouldn't be the reason Apple hold iOS users deep into the ecosystem hostage.
I think as consumers, we are entitled to as much effort Android is investing in lifting up its hardware from Apple. Sure, some trends (five or more rear camera lens, curved display, hole-punch or mechanical front camera placement) are barely meaningful and I don't see Apple following, but some things Apple are still doing (shipping 5W charging bricks, not giving iPhones 40-50W charging capability, 60Hz display) seems increasingly like a show of arrogance. No company is god, and that includes Apple – and if 2018 was any indication, customers know when to teach Apple a lesson.
In a perfect world, I see Apple including the 120Hz display, giving customers options on either having the charger or get an Apple gift card of equivalent value, and give these new iPhone models even further fast-charging capability – at the very least, 20W should be easily doable.
With that said, I don't want Apple to grow complacent on not investing enough in boosting its hardwares. Apple has numerous key advantages over its Android rivals, but those advantages shouldn't be the reason Apple hold iOS users deep into the ecosystem hostage.
I think as consumers, we are entitled to as much effort Android is investing in lifting up its hardware from Apple. Sure, some trends (five or more rear camera lens, curved display, hole-punch or mechanical front camera placement) are barely meaningful and I don't see Apple following, but some things Apple are still doing (shipping 5W charging bricks, not giving iPhones 40-50W charging capability, 60Hz display) seems increasingly like a show of arrogance. No company is god, and that includes Apple – and if 2018 was any indication, customers know when to teach Apple a lesson.
In a perfect world, I see Apple including the 120Hz display, giving customers options on either having the charger or get an Apple gift card of equivalent value, and give these new iPhone models even further fast-charging capability – at the very least, 20W should be easily doable.
PWM is a big issue for me with the current OLED displays in the iPhones. Is a 120Hz panel the opportunity for Apple to fix that and make it not an issue?
5g is not available in most places.
not sure i would even use it if it was available now, not use 4g.
not sure i would even use it if it was available now, not use 4g.
You should be able to get 5-6 years out of your XS Max, which is obviously ok with Apple.
Last edited:
It's a rumor at this point so I would take it with a grain of salt. My guess if this was a feature on the table, it was for next year's phone release.
Regarding 5G, I'm guessing the carriers were begging and slipped Apple some money to make sure their phones were 5G ready . AT&T requires you to upgrade your plan to get access to 5G. Honestly, I'm waiting for the next year model when everything is polished. My 11 Pro will be good for another year or two especially if I replace the battery when it degrades then it's like brand new.
Last edited:
TheYayAreaLiving 🎗️
Suspended
Drop Test: Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra’s new Gorilla glass impresses ahead of iPhone 12 launch - 9to5Mac
Corning announced its new Gorilla Glass Victus last month and Samsung is one of the first companies to use it...
9to5mac.com
Pole should delay the 5.4” and turn it into Pro specs too.,
[automerge]1598296795[/automerge]
[automerge]1598296795[/automerge]
Way too big!Drop Test: Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra’s new Gorilla glass impresses ahead of iPhone 12 launch - 9to5Mac
Corning announced its new Gorilla Glass Victus last month and Samsung is one of the first companies to use it...
Pull a Shigeru Miyamoto with Zelda Ocarina of Time, and just delay the Pro until it's "perfect". No one after release complained about Zelda's delay.
But, yes, I know a phone isn't a game... And APPL has stock owners... And there's a new phone every year so delaying the Pro 12 too much might interfere with next year's release timeframe...
But 120 Hz would be so worth it. Is a laser on the camera and a bigger square frame really going to get a big upgrade cycle? *Yawn* 😴
But, yes, I know a phone isn't a game... And APPL has stock owners... And there's a new phone every year so delaying the Pro 12 too much might interfere with next year's release timeframe...
But 120 Hz would be so worth it. Is a laser on the camera and a bigger square frame really going to get a big upgrade cycle? *Yawn* 😴
How are they supposed to get a 120Hz variable refresh rate display (requires LTPO display like the Apple Watch) if Samsung currently is the only manufacturer of those (for smartphones) and they only have limited manufacturing capacity this year, hardly enough for their own Galaxy Note Ultra model? Samsung can only manufacter around 3 million of those displays this year, this isn't nearly enough for a smartphone as popular as an iPhone. If they can't source enough displays then they're not going in the phone, not sure how this is so hard to understand for some people.
The only thing Apple could do is put in a non-LTPO display panel but then you'd be stuck at either 60/120Hz.
I don't think anyone is looking for a battery draining display that's stuck at 60/120Hz like every other 120Hz display (except the recently released Note 20 Ultra) without being able to go down to 1/24/48/etc.. Hz to save on battery life.
I’ve said this previously, over the past 9 months that people have been talking about the iPhone going to 120Hz, or not, that I laugh every time I see a tech reviewer post videos showing how impressive 90 or 120Hz is on a phone. To show just how great the faster refresh rate is, they quickly swipe up and down or side to side on the screen. Some even try to show comparisons between 60Hz and 90 or 120Hz swiping / scrolling fluidity.
Ooooh, that’s impressive and it’s definitely what I’m looking for in a device. I mean, who doesn’t spend hours each day quickly swiping back and forth?
So, for all those people out there who have figured out they have to have 120Hz refresh rates on their phones, what exactly are you doing on the device that benefits you in a significant way, compared to what a 60Hz display offers?
Really, I want to understand why I need to have 120Hz on an iPhone. To note, I’m typing this on my iPad Pro 12.9” with ProMotion display and I can’t even figure out why it is better that it has a faster refresh rate. I should also note that I’m not a gamer, so for me faster refresh for games is a non-issue.
I also haven’t ever thought to myself, as I swipe from screen to screen, or scroll on my iPhone 11 Pro Max, that it’s herky-jerky, so maybe I’m just not seeing some huge fault that I will immediately notice once the curtain is opened by an astute user.
Ooooh, that’s impressive and it’s definitely what I’m looking for in a device. I mean, who doesn’t spend hours each day quickly swiping back and forth?
So, for all those people out there who have figured out they have to have 120Hz refresh rates on their phones, what exactly are you doing on the device that benefits you in a significant way, compared to what a 60Hz display offers?
Really, I want to understand why I need to have 120Hz on an iPhone. To note, I’m typing this on my iPad Pro 12.9” with ProMotion display and I can’t even figure out why it is better that it has a faster refresh rate. I should also note that I’m not a gamer, so for me faster refresh for games is a non-issue.
I also haven’t ever thought to myself, as I swipe from screen to screen, or scroll on my iPhone 11 Pro Max, that it’s herky-jerky, so maybe I’m just not seeing some huge fault that I will immediately notice once the curtain is opened by an astute user.
Prepare for disappointment. Get in line early. You don’t want to miss out on the “doom and gloom line” from the MR peanut gallery.
I love my iPhone, used to upgrade every other year.. My wife and I always skipped the “S” models. That probably started due to old style contracts and money. However, we’re both still running iPhone X. I know the new phones are great, but just haven’t been anything that made me go, wow! I have to have that feature. USB-C? I’d upgrade for that.
Yes, like every other company that already have 120Hz displays on their phones... oh wait.
I feel like Apple competes harder with their iPads than they do on their iPhones. Losing out on 120Hz this year isn't much of a concern to them for iPhone, because it has been proven time and time again they can get away with not having certain cutting-edge features on their phones and still have record sales. iPad had 120Hz in 2017, why not the iPhone? Because it's not a high priority for the business.
Apple for sure has the best SoCs, and arguably the best cameras. But screen resolution, refresh rate, reverse wireless charging, and many other features that some may call gimmicky Apple hasn't needed to have in order to be competitive. That's why I'm not surprised 120Hz would likely be on the back burner for them, regardless of supply chain hiccups (which haven't affected numerous 120Hz smartphones).