If you think for one moment to the seemless process of getting emails on iPhone, maybe you can consider that Apple ranks MMS like a jurassic way to communicate. I think MMS capability lack of iPhone is not a real lack, but mostly a strong choice. Apple has the leadership to change customers mindset, and this one could be the right time to make people move from MMS to email.MMS is a multi billion dollar revenue stream to the mobile operators. I'm sure they are all screaming that iPhone can't handle something this simple that is part of the 3GPP standards for a 3G phone.
Even the crappiest 5 year old Motorola can do MMS and yet the iPhone can't. I think Apple has their priorities in the wrong order.
Of course it might be that the iPhone makes up such a small part of the total market they don't care about the lost revenue from all those MMS based services.
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iPhone 2.1 Beta 4 Seeded, Removes Push Notification Service
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not necessarily, it might be just one of those features like copy & paste that are somewhere on the wish list, just not very high up on it. probably steve was very accurate when he stated that everyone at apple has more than enough to do.
Ok, but when you are the only one with an iPhone and a data plan, and the only one who can't send or receive MMS in your family and friends circle, MMS is a lot more important. In most european countries most people have no data plan in their phones and use MMS instead.
This is such a fanboy response and someone who has clearly drunk the "kool-aid." Don't you realize that email is the anachronistic method of communication. We come from snailmail, email, then texting (MMS is just an extension.) You see, texting is the only true form of instant push communication. Nothing to configure because it is what it is. With push email things have to be configured for push - why mobileme took such a hit. Apple doesn't want to have mms because they want more money for mobileme. You see, the only way to get pictures from someone on an iphone is through email. And Apple will certainly sell you that service through mobileme which now has push capabilities that is to suppose to mimic MMS.
All this talk about how Apple is making the best choice for not including MMS and it's better for the public is pure BS. Remember Apple is in it for the money not to make your life easier (well they only use that if it benefits them.)
All this talk about how Apple is making the best choice for not including MMS and it's better for the public is pure BS. Remember Apple is in it for the money not to make your life easier (well they only use that if it benefits them.)
Agree with many . . .
Apple needs bug fixes more than anything else. I've had my new 3G iPhone for 9 days and have had to completely restore it 3 times - losing all my app data, presets, phone favorites, WiFi passwords, weather cites and stocks in the process. Why didn't I restore from a backup? "Backup file corrupted" actually is a screen you don't want to see, but it does exist.
I'm getting faster at doing the entire restore/reload/re-enter process (2.5 hours last night) but the phone is dead during that time. And I'm beginning to feel a little like a die-hard Windows user that I know - when I asked him if all the spyware and crashes in Windows annoyed him, he said no - every so often he just completed deleted his hard drives and then reloaded the OS and every piece of software and drivers he had one by one, and then everything worked fine again. He said he had the whole process down to about 6 hours, and he only had to do that about once every 3 or 4 months. I'd rather not.
Let's hope Apple can stop the crashing . . .
Apple needs bug fixes more than anything else. I've had my new 3G iPhone for 9 days and have had to completely restore it 3 times - losing all my app data, presets, phone favorites, WiFi passwords, weather cites and stocks in the process. Why didn't I restore from a backup? "Backup file corrupted" actually is a screen you don't want to see, but it does exist.
I'm getting faster at doing the entire restore/reload/re-enter process (2.5 hours last night) but the phone is dead during that time. And I'm beginning to feel a little like a die-hard Windows user that I know - when I asked him if all the spyware and crashes in Windows annoyed him, he said no - every so often he just completed deleted his hard drives and then reloaded the OS and every piece of software and drivers he had one by one, and then everything worked fine again. He said he had the whole process down to about 6 hours, and he only had to do that about once every 3 or 4 months. I'd rather not.
Let's hope Apple can stop the crashing . . .
I agree. Performance is severely lagging. Scrolling is not "smooth as butta." I would expect this lack of polish from Microsoft, but not Apple. Seems as if Apple hasn't learned anything. Same company that used to point to their use of discrete GPUs versus some the lame Intel integrated versions... The shoe is now on the other foot as they do the same now with the Mac Mini, MacBook and Air.
If it is permitted, could anyone tell me if they have included an option to vary (read: increase) the text size for SMS messages? The lack of this feature is the one thing stopping me from buying an iPhone right now -- and I am desperate to replace my ageing handset!
I am vision-impaired (I can read if the text is large enough) and, from using others' iPhones, I think I could probably mange with the text sizes available as larger alternatives for emails and probably even some web sites, but not SMS. Apple list variable text sizes in some applications of the phone as an accessibility feature but it seems the failure to include the same functionality for text messages is either an oversight or even a business decision (but really, it isn't difficult to code such a feature).
It is disappointing because on the desktop they seem very keen on accessibility. Of course they could never make iPhone accessible to all users, but right now they could, IMO, really increase their potential market just by allowing us to make the text bigger -- preferably as a system-wide setting. I'd be happy to develop some software to fix this problem, but I'm told the SDK will not allow me to change any system settings, or write replacement apps for the core ones, and I don't want to jailbreak. Now that really is a shame, because it means I can't fix the problem for anyone else either. Maybe competition from Android will force them to open up a bit more -- fingers crossed.
There are alternative phones that can be made accessible (by adding text-to-speech software -- something I would love iPhone to have in the future) but I would really rather get an iPhone for many reasons, if only they made this small change. I was waiting until I found out about 2.1 to see if I should wait or just give up on the iPhone for now.
Any information (if you're allowed to give it) would be greatly appreciated!
I am vision-impaired (I can read if the text is large enough) and, from using others' iPhones, I think I could probably mange with the text sizes available as larger alternatives for emails and probably even some web sites, but not SMS. Apple list variable text sizes in some applications of the phone as an accessibility feature but it seems the failure to include the same functionality for text messages is either an oversight or even a business decision (but really, it isn't difficult to code such a feature).
It is disappointing because on the desktop they seem very keen on accessibility. Of course they could never make iPhone accessible to all users, but right now they could, IMO, really increase their potential market just by allowing us to make the text bigger -- preferably as a system-wide setting. I'd be happy to develop some software to fix this problem, but I'm told the SDK will not allow me to change any system settings, or write replacement apps for the core ones, and I don't want to jailbreak. Now that really is a shame, because it means I can't fix the problem for anyone else either. Maybe competition from Android will force them to open up a bit more -- fingers crossed.
There are alternative phones that can be made accessible (by adding text-to-speech software -- something I would love iPhone to have in the future) but I would really rather get an iPhone for many reasons, if only they made this small change. I was waiting until I found out about 2.1 to see if I should wait or just give up on the iPhone for now.
Any information (if you're allowed to give it) would be greatly appreciated!
I'm not too concerned about not having MMS. If I want to send a photo to a friend who has MMS I simply send an email to their MMS email addy. If apple does implement MMS I guarantee you that AT&T will charge more money for the service. People are already complaining about having to pay a lot extra for SMS. I would rather just use email which is free and unlimited.
it probably got removed when they realised TCP push requires the phone to be on all the time and the battery will last about 2 hours. Wooooooops.
If you jailbreak you can change the default system font, and you might be able to change the default font size...maybe.
OOOhhh my god they pulled push,
I'm so fed up with apple pulling stuff when they should be pushing stuff instead, I think Jobbsy should stop pulling his wanger and start pushing his staff and tell them stop pulling stuff and push it out, here we all are pulling our hair out waiting for Apple to push, push, but what happens they pull it!! I;d like to push my 3G up Jobbsies Arse and I would push it so far up his arse he or his staff wouldn't be able to pull it
hope that made you smile
Tom
I'm so fed up with apple pulling stuff when they should be pushing stuff instead, I think Jobbsy should stop pulling his wanger and start pushing his staff and tell them stop pulling stuff and push it out, here we all are pulling our hair out waiting for Apple to push, push, but what happens they pull it!! I;d like to push my 3G up Jobbsies Arse and I would push it so far up his arse he or his staff wouldn't be able to pull it hope that made you smile
Tom
Yeah but where's the choice for the consumer.
Don't make excuses for apple (or any large corporation that limits consumer choice.)
Don't make excuses for apple (or any large corporation that limits consumer choice.)
A few people here seem to be confused.
When they "pulled push", they're pulling push for third-party applications.
This does not mean they pulled push for their first-party applications. After all, the reason why they pulled push was for "further development". But why further develop email push when it works flawlessly (at least for me).
This is shown as SMS still works (SMS is the only thing on the phone with true push).
I agree with most that apple should wait until this service is ready to release. I think that after the mobileme mess and some of the problems related to the iphone 2.x.x software bugs, that apple needs to step back and take a breather before releasing a new service worldwide.
I currently have no need for the push notifications, but there are many people who are desperately waiting for this, and this means high expectations.
Lets be patient and wait for a solid product.
I currently have no need for the push notifications, but there are many people who are desperately waiting for this, and this means high expectations.
Lets be patient and wait for a solid product.
for the love of Apple
I love how most of you are saying this is great. Apple says they will be giving us something and then when Apple takes it away everyone is like, "Oh, it's about time Apple did this the right way." The "push" mail with iphone is a fricking joke. I have missed so many emails. I get email 4 hours after the have been sent. My phone never updates for mail unless I do it manually. This whole bull crap roadmap to 2.0 is a joke and Apple only pretends to care. I have waisted countless hours with my phone trying to get it to work and not crash all the time. The app store is basically a fricking joke, and anyone who writes programs for it are a bunch of sheep.
I love how most of you are saying this is great. Apple says they will be giving us something and then when Apple takes it away everyone is like, "Oh, it's about time Apple did this the right way." The "push" mail with iphone is a fricking joke. I have missed so many emails. I get email 4 hours after the have been sent. My phone never updates for mail unless I do it manually. This whole bull crap roadmap to 2.0 is a joke and Apple only pretends to care. I have waisted countless hours with my phone trying to get it to work and not crash all the time. The app store is basically a fricking joke, and anyone who writes programs for it are a bunch of sheep.
Sounds to me like Push may well be coming in September as planned, but Apple wants to release 2.1 before then
In other words, whatever 2.1 brings is coming SOONER than expected, instead of waiting for Push to be ready in September.
Only a guess.
That is my guess as well.... 2.1 will be bug fixes, minor features and 2.1.1 will be Push.
well isn't the message plan you have to buy with the iPhone is just the standard AT&T message plan, which includes 200, 1500, or unlimited of any combination of any type of message (SMS, Picture, Video, Sound).
Is there some reason why the notification service has to be 'push'? I think it would be good if there was a way to use it in 'fetch' mode, particularly if that would save on battery life.
Also, from a useability point of view, imagine having nine or ten applications that have notifications enabled: you could end up being constantly interrupted by lots of mindless chatter from your iPhone.
Also, from a useability point of view, imagine having nine or ten applications that have notifications enabled: you could end up being constantly interrupted by lots of mindless chatter from your iPhone.
While I agree with the first part, I don't agree with the app store comment. Some devs are banking right now.
I wish it were as simple as that, but for most of us it isn't.
The Email to MMS work around you mention is only available in the USA. In the UK and rest of Europe we don't have that work around.
It is embarrassing when I have to admit to friends and colleagues, sorry my phone isn't as advanced as yours for photo sharing, OK it kicks their asses on most other fronts
, but none the less MMS is an unnecessary ommission by Apple.As to the 'pulling' of 'push' in this beta, not too sure why this is an issue really as 'Push notification' services for third party apps isn't due until sometime in September (likely at the iPod keynote) anyway.
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