iPhone 5se vs iPhone 5 Photo (Supposedly)

[Casiotone]

To me the biggest hint that this is fake is that everything seems to be scaled down proportionally on the 5se picture (except the home button). That means that all the side buttons look smaller on the 5se vs. the 6 and 6 plus.

The side buttons are not smaller on the 4.7" iPhone 6 vs. the 5.5" iPhone 6(S) plus, and there would be no reason for it. The size of the buttons is not determined by the size of the device, but rather by the size of the average human finger, so they are comfortable to press.

And the home button, which is the only thing that needed Photoshop for this optical illusion (to keep it the same size as other iPhones), looks weird and doesn't seem to be perfectly aligned vertically.

 

[Deuce on the Clock]

But you don't have to upgrade every year so if you want to own your phone and be able to resell it that is an option. If slowing smartphone sales are occurring due to market saturation then Apple is just one of many companies dealing with this problem. Apple however is the only company making insane profits on the phones they do sell. Selling fewer phones may mean lower overall profits but lowering the cost of the phone won't help that problem. Increasing market share at the cost of profits won't help Apple with the problem you're describing. It hasn't helped a single other manufacturer.

Edit: also, as a consumer and not a shareholder I couldn't care less if their stock prices drop. I just care that they make the best possible products and don't try to make a cheaper phone at the cost of the best hardware possible.

You dont have to upgrade but majority of people do upgrade. Tim and company will have to decide to play to comsumer or market. I will bet they side with market and not consumer.

 

[brendu]

You dont have to upgrade but majority of people do upgrade. Tim and company will have to decide to play to comsumer or market. I will bet they side with market and not consumer.

So you think they will do what Apple has never done and dramatically lower prices, reducing profits simply to say they sold more phones?

 

[Deuce on the Clock]

So you think they will do what Apple has never done and dramatically lower prices, reducing profits simply to say they sold more phones?

I think they should but arrogance tells me they will be higher than people will pay for the cheaper option. They have to compete in China and India now to grow share and those countries buy cheaper phones because they cant afford an iPhone.

 

[Mac 128]

So you think they will do what Apple has never done and dramatically lower prices, reducing profits simply to say they sold more phones?

While I don't agree with the Android troll you're debating with, I do think Apple will lower prices.

Look at the iPod Touch. They updated it to the latest tech, and still dropped the price by $50-100.

If they can do it for the touch, they can do it for the iPhone. What I think they will do is spread the pricing structure out a little more widely, maybe offering a $350 entry level phone (the "5se") and then offer a wider range of affordability, possibly with a new high end 4" phone coming in somewhere around $600.

Much of this is necessary because the pricing structure is more complicated now ... it's not just $199, $99, and $0, with the real price buried in the carrier contracts ... now the customer is being broadsided with the full price of the phone. They've gone from spending $199 on a brand new state of the art phone to $649. That's a big change to absorb. As a result, there are going to be fewer people willing to fork over $450 to get into the Apple ecosystem.

 

[brendu]

While I don't agree with the Android troll you're debating with, I do think Apple will lower prices.

Look at the iPod Touch. They updated it to the latest tech, and still dropped the price by $50-100.

If they can do it for the touch, they can do it for the iPhone. What I think they will do is spread the pricing structure out a little more widely, maybe offering a $350 entry level phone (the "5se") and then offer a wider range of affordability, possibly with a new high end 4" phone coming in somewhere around $600.

Much of this is necessary because the pricing structure is more complicated now ... it's not just $199, $99, and $0, with the real price buried in the carrier contracts ... now the customer is being broadsided with the full price of the phone. They've gone from spending $199 on a brand new state of the art phone to $649. That's a big change to absorb. As a result, there are going to be fewer people willing to fork over $450 to get into the Apple ecosystem.

But thats the thing, it is less painful than ever to buy a new iPhone, at least from the perspective of up front costs. You can buy a 128GB iPhone 6s+ for $0 down. I think this leasing to own program is specifically why iPhone prices won't drop at all. At least no lower than the bottom end of $450 we see today.
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I think they should but arrogance tells me they will be higher than people will pay for the cheaper option. They have to compete in China and India now to grow share and those countries buy cheaper phones because they cant afford an iPhone.

Apple is crushing in China, there are a lot of people with a lot of money who love apple products there. They don't need a cheap phone to do well in China. That may not be the case in India and apple will likely have to approach that market differently from the US/Chinese markets.

 

[Deuce on the Clock]

But thats the thing, it is less painful than ever to buy a new iPhone, at least from the perspective of up front costs. You can buy a 128GB iPhone 6s+ for $0 down. I think this leasing to own program is specifically why iPhone prices won't drop at all. At least no lower than the bottom end of $450 we see today.
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Apple is crushing in China, there are a lot of people with a lot of money who love apple products there. They don't need a cheap phone to do well in China. That may not be the case in India and apple will likely have to approach that market differently from the US/Chinese markets.

BTW, I worked for Apple for 13 years and own all Apple products from Apple TV to laptops, except for what I use for work now. When China markets crumble we will see what they buy. The sheer mass volume of consumers of course Apple numbers will look good for a while. Long term however is the question.
"As a result, there are going to be fewer people willing to fork over $450 to get into the Apple ecosystem." After a few cycles when consumers finally realize this, adoption rates will fall.

 

[brendu]

BTW, I worked for Apple for 13 years and own all Apple products from Apple TV to laptops, except for what I use for work now. When China markets crumble we will see what they buy. The sheer mass volume of consumers of course Apple numbers will look good for a while. Long term however is the question.
"As a result, there are going to be fewer people willing to fork over $450 to get into the Apple ecosystem." After a few cycles when consumers finally realize this, adoption rates will fall.

Only time will tell but I strongly doubt apple will start selling products with slim to no profit margins. That isn't their game and never has been. Growth will absolutely slow and apple won't stay the most valuable tech company forever but they won't change their entire business model to one that has proven to fail and caused dozens of their competitors to go under. Apple products are premium for their respective markets. Their prices will continue to reflect that.

 

[jamface]

Which part? The 5S camera is already better. And if Apple really does this one low-end option, then offering larger storage options is the only way they will make more money out of wealthier 4" enthusiasts, who'd would otherwise buy the flagship model.

I'd say that's a great marketing angle, put the best possible camera on it they can, maybe 4K video, and offer the maximum amount of storage as an option, and call this the ultimate portable camera choice. Every customer who could afford the flagship might just buy a fully loaded version of this phone, justifying it over the savings on the 6S.

Well, they'll make 'more money' out of them by charging more than they currently are for the 5S. I don't believe anyone waiting for a new 4" phone is about to get an amazing deal.

 

[Deuce on the Clock]

Only time will tell but I strongly doubt apple will start selling products with slim to no profit margins. That isn't their game and never has been. Growth will absolutely slow and apple won't stay the most valuable tech company forever but they won't change their entire business model to one that has proven to fail and caused dozens of their competitors to go under. Apple products are premium for their respective markets. Their prices will continue to reflect that.

Apples profit margins for their units are slim and always have been. They make their money from 3PP product gross margins and used to make it from carrier subsidies. Subsidies are gone.

 

[aces99]

Maybe YOU were begging for larger screens, but there are a lot of people still looking for 4" displays...


The A8 SoC is more than enough to drive a 4" display, especially with 2 Gb of RAM.
I'm hoping in a 2 Gb device too.


yep, iPhone 6 Mini would be a much better name.



Lol, speaking about reality distortion field.
The 6 was barely an upgrade from the 5S ? In which parallel dimension ?

The iPhone 6 WAS an upgrade, and only in some tests it wasn't an huge upgrade due to the bigger screen.
Now you put an A8 and hopefully 2 Gb of RAM in a 4" iPhone and performance will be even better, not far from an iPhone 6S.

I never said it wasn't. I only said they would sell a lot more if it had the specs and features of the 6S. Even though it would be just fine on the A8, if and its a big if it will get 2GB of ram, a lot of people won't buy it just because it doesn't have the latest and greatest. That is all I said. Where did I get that from? Because I have been reading post after post from this site and others where people say so.

 

[brendu]

Apples profit margins for their units are slim and always have been. They make their money from 3PP product gross margins and used to make it from carrier subsidies. Subsidies are gone.

Okay now you're just spewing nonsense. Good chat though.

 

[aces99]

I know you want this but you can't get it. No one is making small form factor flagships. In fact I believe the 6s is the smallest screen flagship phone out there now. This 5se will certainly compare favorably spec-wise with any other 4" screen phone.

It is a bit like cars. You can't get all of the latest tech and the most powerful engines in the smaller sedans. Like the Mercedes C-class. You have to buy the S-class if you want the current best stuff. And that means you end up with a much larger car.

Apple could put the latest A9 chip and GPU chip as well as more ram in a 4" phone no problem. They could also put all the other stuff if they would make the phone a little thicker and not be so concerned on thinness. They could also cut down on the top and bottom bezel by making incorporating the Touch ID into the screen. There are things they could do to make it happen. But as long as it had the A9 and 2GB ram, NFC I would be all in. I am not so concerned with 3D Touch, I can take it or leave it. That Apple could do in a 4" version no problem.

 

[iisdan]

Why not just keep selling the iPhone 5s for couple of more years? It is a good phone.

Because some people don't want 3-4 year old specs

 

[aces99]

How do you explain the ongoing success of the sales of the 5s in this era of the 6s?

Several reasons. First is because it is a 4" phone and is the only 4" phone to choose from. Second because it is not a new phone. Third because it is a lot cheaper than the new iPhone 6 & 6S. See how well it would sell if it was the same price as all the rest. It will sell just not as well. I never said a 4" phone with specs as the 6 would not run well or not sell, because it would run just fine and they will sell millions of them. I just said that it would sell a lot more with the specs of the 6S. That is all I said, nothing more nothing less.

 

[Ballis]

That was a relic of their needing to show the iPhone was moving to 3G cell service

No it wasnt. The iPhone 3G was the model needing to show off the 3G service. Hence Apple skipping iPhone 2. The 3GS was the "speedier" version.

 

[Max(IT)]

I never said it wasn't. I only said they would sell a lot more if it had the specs and features of the 6S. Even though it would be just fine on the A8, if and its a big if it will get 2GB of ram, a lot of people won't buy it just because it doesn't have the latest and greatest. That is all I said. Where did I get that from? Because I have been reading post after post from this site and others where people say so.

Fortunately this forum doesn't really represents the market....
Put inside it an A8 and 2 Gb of RAM and a lot of people will buy it because Apple users hardly cares about "greatest and latest".

Yes, an A9 would be great, but it seems an overkill for a 4" device.

 

[Sea Bass]

This has been the pattern with iPhone models for years. The iPhone 4, 5, and 6 were all only modest improvements on the 3gs, 4s, and 5s respectively in terms of performance.

The "s" models then get a more significant performance/architectural upgrade while retaining the same design. It's called a tick-tock upgrade cycle.

The iPhone 5 was actually over twice as fast as the 4S. Look up the benchmarks. Heck, comparing their performances on iOS 9 should be proof enough.

 

[aces99]

Fortunately this forum doesn't really represents the market....
Put inside it an A8 and 2 Gb of RAM and a lot of people will buy it because Apple users hardly cares about "greatest and latest".

Yes, an A9 would be great, but it seems an overkill for a 4" device.

Yes if they put the A8 with 2GB of ram it will run just fine. But for how long after you get a few more IOS updates on it. That is if they put 2GB of ram in it, which I sure hope they do. Because if they don't they are crippling it right out of my gate. But with the A9 it would be even better. The A9 would be better for future proof and IOS update. I am reading posts already with people complaining their 6 is lagging and running slow. Add a few more updates and that A8 chip won't be running so smooth anymore. With the A9 it will last a lot longer. That's why I would rather have the A9 over the A8 if I had my choice.

 

[colorfuel]

Futureproofeness is the keyword in the A8 vs. A9 debate. The A8 may suffice but then you could aswell just get an A7, which has been available for over 2 years. I want that iPhone 5SE, 6C whatever to be as good in two years as the iPhone 5S still is nowadays.

 

[aces99]

Futureproofeness is the keyword in the A8 vs. A9 debate. The A8 may suffice but then you could aswell just get an A7, which has been available for over 2 years. I want that iPhone 5SE, 6C whatever to be as good in two years as the iPhone 5S still is nowadays.

Exactly. How well is that new phone going to run in a year from now with a few more IOS update. Not as well as the same phone running with the A9. I don't want my brand new phone to be lagging already in a year. I want it to run like a Ferrari.

 

[Mercifull]

I spent less time on my attempt but its fairly easy to replicate.

 

[ThomasJL]

If Apple wants the new 4" phone to sell well they need it to have the internals of the 6S. If it has the internals of the 6 they are crippling it right out of the gate and it want sell as well. I want a 4" phone myself but I don't want it with old tech. I want it to be the same as the 6S just in a smaller form factor. Guess we will have to wait to see what Apple comes out with.

Well said. I hope they call it the 6S Mini. If Apple is worried about cannibalization of sales of other iPhones, they shouldn't be because no matter which iPhone model a customer buys, the money will go to Apple. You're right that they will sell more 4-inch models if the 4-inch models have the same specs as the 4.7-inch 6S models. Considering that reports have come out saying that iPhone sales right now are in a slump, it would be a better choice to make the 4-inch model be called the iPhone 6S Mini and have the same specs as the 4.7-inch iPhone 6S, including the same storage options at the same three tiers up to 128GB.

 

[Max(IT)]

Yes if they put the A8 with 2GB of ram it will run just fine. But for how long after you get a few more IOS updates on it. That is if they put 2GB of ram in it, which I sure hope they do. Because if they don't they are crippling it right out of my gate. But with the A9 it would be even better. The A9 would be better for future proof and IOS update. I am reading posts already with people complaining their 6 is lagging and running slow. Add a few more updates and that A8 chip won't be running so smooth anymore. With the A9 it will last a lot longer. That's why I would rather have the A9 over the A8 if I had my choice.

Yes, an A9 would be great, but knowing Apple I wouldn't bet on it.
Performance wise I wouldn't be worried: the aging iPhone 5S is still running great (I love my wife's 5S), so I'm expecting this new device to be even better.

 

[TallManNY]

Apple could put the latest A9 chip and GPU chip as well as more ram in a 4" phone no problem. They could also put all the other stuff if they would make the phone a little thicker and not be so concerned on thinness. They could also cut down on the top and bottom bezel by making incorporating the Touch ID into the screen. There are things they could do to make it happen. But as long as it had the A9 and 2GB ram, NFC I would be all in. I am not so concerned with 3D Touch, I can take it or leave it. That Apple could do in a 4" version no problem.

Well latest rumor is that it is getting the A9. I think that will be huge for the phone's longevity since the A9 is a beast which will not soon become outdated. But I also do not think that cheaper phones will get flagship parts. You will always have to buy the most expensive iPhone if you want the latest and greatest. Heck, even though I own a 6S I don't have access to the camera motion control that is in the 6 Plus versions.

They certainly aren't adding new features that aren't in the 6S to this phone. So forget about Touch ID in the screen.