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Ok. Basically you need a lot of ram on a phone if you want to multitask.

That does make sense.

I usually run one or two apps at a time and thats fine for me, but i do get that to avoid the refresh more ram is needed. Just depends on you needs.


When you open an app it resides in RAM for the most part. It will stay there indefinitely until one of two things happen, you close the app or system needs that allotted RAM.

If you open the multitasking window and scroll all the way to the app you haven't used for the longest chances are it will reload like you are opening it for the first time. That's because RAM was required for other apps. That is not uncommon or even that unexpected.

What is unexpected and annoying is when you switch back to an app you were just using (2nd in the list) and it reloads.

This is where we are getting too. Apple generally waits until it's a blatantly obvious problem. And older devices aren't future proofed enough to maintain a quality user experience (albeit medium to heavy user) with the duration they maintain Apple support and updates.

This is also a hindrance for developers especially game devs. If you are playing a game and got a phone call then went back to the game and it reloaded you'd leave a bad review. So they need to do a lot of work making it not do that. This generally means they dumb down games for newer device that could handle something better. Basically picking their poison.

Regardless, aside from lining Apples bank account there isn't any good reason not to add more RAM. I've yet to hear a good reason why someone would NOT want more. Just blanket statements of why it doesn't need more.
 
When you open an app it resides in RAM for the most part. It will stay there indefinitely until one of two things happen, you close the app or system needs that allotted RAM.

If you open the multitasking window and scroll all the way to the app you haven't used for the longest chances are it will reload like you are opening it for the first time. That's because RAM was required for other apps. That is not uncommon or even that unexpected.

What is unexpected and annoying is when you switch back to an app you were just using (2nd in the list) and it reloads.

This is where we are getting too. Apple generally waits until it's a blatantly obvious problem. And older devices aren't future proofed enough to maintain a quality user experience (albeit medium to heavy user) with the duration they maintain Apple support and updates.

This is also a hindrance for developers especially game devs. If you are playing a game and got a phone call then went back to the game and it reloaded you'd leave a bad review. So they need to do a lot of work making it not do that. This generally means they dumb down games for newer device that could handle something better. Basically picking their poison.

Regardless, aside from lining Apples bank account there isn't any good reason not to add more RAM. I've yet to hear a good reason why someone would NOT want more. Just blanket statements of why it doesn't need more.

More ram is always welcome, but when I hear comments like: "I'm going to android unless the iPhone 6 has more than x gig, I laugh."
 
I wouldn't be interested in the i6 if the upgrades are less than substantial as compared to the 5s for my needs.

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You installed the 32 bit version of iOS 7 on your phone 4 as the 5s was the first 64 bit hardware on the face of the earth in mobile phones. That apple supported the iPhone 4 so many years after introduction is amazing and the hardware runs IOS 7 fairly well says a bunch about how apple designs their phones. I have two iPhone 4 running 7.1.2 without issue.

Are you satisfied with iOS 7 on your iPhone 4?

I was confused because you said the 64 bit iOs was one of the reason to upgrade the iPhone 4 to iOS 7. I guess you were just making stuff up.


Originally Posted by sunking101 View Post
I never said that iOS8 won't have new features worth a damn. I was specifically speaking of iOS7 on the iPhone 4. It brought positively *nothing* to the table except lag and frustration. Name me one benefit of iOS7 over iOS6 for iPhone 4 users which in ANY way compensated for the crippling lag?



you said 64 bit.
 
I was confused because you said the 64 bit iOs was one of the reason to upgrade the iPhone 4 to iOS 7. I guess you were just making stuff up.


Originally Posted by sunking101 View Post
I never said that iOS8 won't have new features worth a damn. I was specifically speaking of iOS7 on the iPhone 4. It brought positively *nothing* to the table except lag and frustration. Name me one benefit of iOS7 over iOS6 for iPhone 4 users which in ANY way compensated for the crippling lag?



you said 64 bit.

No sir, I do t make stuff up. I may not have been clear on an Internet forum or maybe misconstrued. I do apologize if I wasn't clear, however.
 
What is unexpected and annoying is when you switch back to an app you were just using (2nd in the list) and it reloads.

This is where we are getting too. Apple generally waits until it's a blatantly obvious problem. And older devices aren't future proofed enough to maintain a quality user experience (albeit medium to heavy user) with the duration they maintain Apple support and updates.

This is also a hindrance for developers especially game devs. If you are playing a game and got a phone call then went back to the game and it reloaded you'd leave a bad review. So they need to do a lot of work making it not do that. This generally means they dumb down games for newer device that could handle something better. Basically picking their poison.

Regardless, aside from lining Apples bank account there isn't any good reason not to add more RAM. I've yet to hear a good reason why someone would NOT want more. Just blanket statements of why it doesn't need more.

But.. But... But look at all the profits! #WINNING

Seriously though - what you wrote is exactly right. I moved away from the iPad as I discovered that whenever I tried to actually use it to get things done - the reloads were painful. Start background audio, load a tab and boom - the audio is dead. Enter something on one tab, load another to look up some info, boom the first one has reloaded. The Android tablets with 2GB+ RAM and KitKat don't do it this often - especially so when you disable the needless bloat, which is easy to do since Android 4.1.

Apple either needs to add more RAM for no additional price or fix iOS memory consumption. (This applies to OS X too - on my 4GB Air Windows 8 memory consumption is almost never an issue. With Mavericks it's better than previous versions but still not close.)
 
More ram is always welcome, but when I hear comments like: "I'm going to android unless the iPhone 6 has more than x gig, I laugh."


I completely agree. RAM will not effect my buying decision. An app reloading is a con for me but the pros of an iPhone (for me) faaarrr exceed the cons.

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But.. But... But look at all the profits! #WINNING

Seriously though - what you wrote is exactly right. I moved away from the iPad as I discovered that whenever I tried to actually use it to get things done - the reloads were painful. Start background audio, load a tab and boom - the audio is dead. Enter something on one tab, load another to look up some info, boom the first one has reloaded. The Android tablets with 2GB+ RAM and KitKat don't do it this often - especially so when you disable the needless bloat, which is easy to do since Android 4.1.

Apple either needs to add more RAM for no additional price or fix iOS memory consumption. (This applies to OS X too - on my 4GB Air Windows 8 memory consumption is almost never an issue. With Mavericks it's better than previous versions but still not close.)


And to each their own. I can respect that decision. It's certainly better then dealing with it if it effects you.

However background audio using the proper API's should continue to run properly regardless of foreground operation. Maybe a poorly coded app? Or not designed for background audio (like YouTube app for example).
 
First off, baseless assumptions about a yet non-announced device.

Second - I have not, at one point, thought "I wish my 5S had more RAM". The iPhone is perfectly fine with 1GB for now.

I wish my 5 had more RAM - in not a fan of page refresh when I reopen safari and change tabs.
 
More speed is great, but the article doesn't discuss internal memory.

I know but I thought it was still interesting and I am sure the closer we get it will talk about internal memory but why would anyone thing it would be less than the 5S and be less then dual core on an A8 chipset? You know what I mean?:)
 
I know but I thought it was still interesting and I am sure the closer we get it will talk about internal memory but why would anyone thing it would be less than the 5S and be less then dual core on an A8 chipset? You know what I mean?:)

I do know what you mean.

However part if this is some inclination on moving to android if there is only 1 gig of memory. I would hope apple drops more memory in the i6, but if they don't I'm not jumping ship.
 
I know but I thought it was still interesting and I am sure the closer we get it will talk about internal memory but why would anyone thing it would be less than the 5S and be less then dual core on an A8 chipset? You know what I mean?:)


I'm a bit confused, maybe I'm misunderstanding something but when you say "why would anything think it would be less then the 5S" what are you implying?

I think people think it will be the same as the 5S, 1 gb RAM.
 
I do know what you mean.

However part if this is some inclination on moving to android if there is only 1 gig of memory. I would hope apple drops more memory in the i6, but if they don't I'm not jumping ship.

I am willing to make a bet they do drop more than a gig of memory, You On? :D

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I'm a bit confused, maybe I'm misunderstanding something but when you say "why would anybody think it would be less then the 5S" what are you implying?

I think people think it will be the same as the 5S, 1 gb RAM.

No you are good, I am saying and I changed my word to anybody think that is because with IOS 8 and the larger processor and what Apple mandated the Devs to have in their apps to be IOS 8 compatible, It only makes sense to have more memory. Would you not agree. I truly believe there will be 1.5 - 2 gigs of memory with an A8 dual core processor. Lets wait and see.:)
 
This thread has confirmed to me that Apple have a lot of loyalists, who will keep buying iPhones regardless of the spec and regardless of whether they cause them any frustration in use :)
 
Except that it is extremely laggy when you install it on a 2+ year old device you mean... ever use iOS 6 or 7 on an iPhone 4? iOS 7 on a 4s? iOS 5-6 on an iPod touch 4g?

Yes, because technology moves forward not backwards. If they planned OS for older systems they would never be able to add new features to accommodate new hardware. It's like asking them to make Yosemite to work on Lisa like it would on a 2013 iMac

This thread has confirmed to me that Apple have a lot of loyalists, who will keep buying iPhones regardless of the spec and regardless of whether they cause them any frustration in use :)

I have been happy with all my iPhones and the ease of having them replaced if something goes wrong. Also I haven't paid out of pocket for a new iphone since the original 1st gen iphone I bought. I just keep selling my iPhones at the end of their contracts which covers the cost of a new one. Best part, all it takes to setup my new phone when I get it is to enter my account details, no hassle.
 
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This thread has confirmed to me that Apple have a lot of loyalists, who will keep buying iPhones regardless of the spec and regardless of whether they cause them any frustration in use :)

Calling people loyalist is a bit pejorative, but ok. Yes, for reasons other than specs I would buy an iPhone again. Specs are a part of it, but not the end game for me.
 
This thread has confirmed to me that Apple have a lot of loyalists, who will keep buying iPhones regardless of the spec and regardless of whether they cause them any frustration in use :)

Or there are people like myself who don't have any frustrations and don't suffer from safari/app refreshes.
 
This thread has confirmed to me that Apple have a lot of loyalists, who will keep buying iPhones regardless of the spec and regardless of whether they cause them any frustration in use :)


Like I mentioned I'm basically one of those people. However I'm picking the one that causes me the least frustration. Since neither are perfect it's my only option.
 
I think there will be an increase in RAM in iOS devices - hopefully with DDR4 (rather than DDR3 as before), as that allows the use of increased RAM with no power consumption hit compared to before (hopefully), as well as much improved RAM performance.

Just my thoughts (and hope...) - I've always felt that Apple needs to step with the amount of improvements they are doing to each iteration their devices - YES, they still sell quite a number of devices, and make quite a bit of money, however I feel other manufacturers are improving at a much faster rate and innovating a lot more, and apple needs to change what they are doing before it's too late. I'm probably wrong, but I hope not
 
I think there will be an increase in RAM in iOS devices - hopefully with DDR4 (rather than DDR3 as before), as that allows the use of increased RAM with no power consumption hit compared to before (hopefully), as well as much improved RAM performance.

Just my thoughts (and hope...) - I've always felt that Apple needs to step with the amount of improvements they are doing to each iteration their devices - YES, they still sell quite a number of devices, and make quite a bit of money, however I feel other manufacturers are improving at a much faster rate and innovating a lot more, and apple needs to change what they are doing before it's too late. I'm probably wrong, but I hope not

Other manufactures are innovating more how? Touch ID, 64 bit, slo-mo. Compare that against other manufacturers...other different innovations that I would not say are superior or inferior to apples innovations.
 
Most users on the street wouldn't be able to tell you any of the specs their iPhone has other than storage size, because they picked that when they bought it

A small minority of users like Forum readers and geeks keep up with that stuff, but most users do not IMO, they just use their iPhone without giving it much thought
A lot of my friends (college age) don't know how many GBs their iPhones are. A few of them don't even know what a GB is...
 
With every major update to the iPhone Apple has doubled the ram. Why would this time be any different?

But maybe this time they don't double it but it goes to 1.5 GB of ram.
 
Given Apple's love for non-standard components (remember the tri-core gpu in the A6?) I wouldn't be surprised if we get 1.5GB of RAM in both new iPhones and iPads.

2GB would be welcome as long as it doesn't ruin my battery life.
 
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