iPhone 7 The Decline...

[akash.nu]

There is a perceieved illusion (which Jobs created) that Apple products are in a league of their own and they were when he was alive.Retina Display in 2010.Absolutely nothing came close.MacBook Air.I remember when he revolutionised the industry with its thinness.That scene where he removes it from an envelope never gets old.The guy
established the benchmarks and companies followed.4 PRODUCT LINES,all genuine without any copying whatsoever.Fast forward to today and we have another run of the mill black suit CEO who is using that image Jobs created and lacking the innovation the former had,rips off the competition,criticies the competition

Completely agree with the fact that Steve did have a persona on the stage but saying Tim is just another black suit wearing CEO is not correct IMHO. Yes, he's not jobs, but he's not doing too bad at driving Apple forward at this point either.

Both the products you mentioned were awesome for sure. Apple haven't been changing industries a lot lately, I agree with that but Apple is a product company and they've started focusing on service more than individual products and that's very evident with their approach.

Personally, I don't see this to be a bad thing to be honest. The next thing I suppose would be the TV industry.

Whats ironical is that no matter how much you twist it,OLED,waterproofing,glass body is all a rip off of what Android manufacturers have done in the past.The tables have turned

Yes, they maybe copied but it's not the features, its implementation that makes the difference. The industry can only move forward if companies get inspired by each other not by blatantly copying but by incorporating technologies in a way that will be more useful for the users.

 

[C DM]

https://9to5mac.com/2016/07/20/iphone-7-poll/

And even in a best case scenario,anticipation remains lower than for the iPhone 6 which released 2 years ago

http://www.informationweek.com/mobi...ciding-factor-for-buyers-poll-/a/d-id/1326330
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Some official Apple packaging for you

So basically still nothing from Apple actually? You keep trying and deflecting and all that and yet the answer remains the same nonetheless.

 

[The Game 161]

Polls are really useless. Anybody can fudge a poll

People won't truly decide until after the keynote.

 

[bufffilm]

why do you think OLED is only coming with the plus? It will come on both models.

Let's hope it does.

But choosing to bring the OLED to the Pro/+ model first, would be an Apple type move.

It will further distinguish that model over the others and further drive sales that way. Especially if yields, etc the first year aren't up to the numbers Apple's needs to make it across all models.

 

[Mildredop]

Can you imagine the DSLR market being like this. No one would buy a new camera as it keeps looking the same. Thankfully though they are intelligent and can see the gain from internal upgrades.

Can you imagine if Canon suddenly changed their lens mount so no other lenses would fit except Canon-approved lenses. And they removed the SD/CF card slot? And soldered the battery into the camera so it wasn't replaceable?

It'd be the end of Canon.

But that's where Apple is different. They can do all this and people just keep buying it.

 

[Feenician]

Can you imagine if Canon suddenly changed their lens mount so no other lenses would fit except Canon-approved lenses. And they removed the SD/CF card slot? And soldered the battery into the camera so it wasn't replaceable?

It'd be the end of Canon.

But that's where Apple is different. They can do all this and people just keep buying it.

Who solders in batteries we exactly? In what world is this a thing? Hint: no-one and no-where

 

[Mildredop]

Who solders in batteries we exactly? In what world is this a thing? Hint: no-one and no-where

Your tone suggests I'm incorrect. I was getting at the fact batteries in iPhones are non-removable.

 

[rugmankc]

I think we here are a very small percentage of iphone and even more so smartphone owners. We tend to think we are the only ones who understand these questions posted on the Forum. As a group we underestimate the consumer. Most are well aware of the features and how they apply or don't apply to them. Other than kids who may buy for status, I think most adults don't buy a phone just to be cool. "If they do they need a life" Whether it makes them cool or not. Most consumers now days do a lot of research on-line before making a choice.

Speculation is all we have. I think smartphones in general may plateau since there is not much else "big" we can do to them. Maybe as we get closer to AI software or a week long battery. I find curved screens a gimmick.

Perhaps the watch will see the biggest gains in the next five years.

All IMHO

 

[shimy1984]

I honestly think Apple is making this a "less substantial" release (physically anyway) on purpose to boost a massive migration from older iPhone models next year for the 10 year anniversary.

If you think about it, they are attempting to destroy the fractured user base (not android bad, but getting worse with time) that has built up over the years by not giving a real incentive to upgrade. Apple themselves are predicting lower sales figures this year, which is good if they want to trigger a massive migration next year.

Seems pretty strategic to me.

 

[bufffilm]

Perhaps the watch will see the biggest gains in the next five years.

Ha!

The Apple Watch (along with their Android counterparts) are the biggest, hokiest gimmick of all.

I'm not saying they doesn't sell...only that they are "much ado about nothing".

(I'm an avowed watch aficionado.)

Anyway...carry on.

 

[Radon87000]

Ax processors. Class of their own every year, often for more than a year.
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Faster processors are not innovation.Modern day smartphones are fast enough.Its like upgrading to a i7 5960K from a i7 2600K.Sure the benefits are there but beyond a certain point diminishing utility starts kicking in

I honestly think Apple is making this a "less substantial" release (physically anyway) on purpose to boost a massive migration from older iPhone models next year for the 10 year anniversary.

If you think about it, they are attempting to destroy the fractured user base (not android bad, but getting worse with time) that has built up over the years by not giving a real incentive to upgrade. Apple themselves are predicting lower sales figures this year, which is good if they want to trigger a massive migration next year.

Seems pretty strategic to me.

Exactly.To add another point by making the iPhone 7 underwhelming they are insuring themselves as the iPhone 8 being an anniversary iPhone shouldnt be associated with falling sales

Ha!

The Apple Watch (along with their Android counterparts) are the biggest, hokiest gimmick of all.

I'm not saying they doesn't sell...only that they are "much ado about nothing".

(I'm an avowed watch aficionado.)

Anyway...carry on.

Personally after owning an Watch I feel weird not wearing it when I leave it home,but I wouldnt say it revolutionised my life as much as the iPhone and iPad did

 

[rugmankc]

Ha!

The Apple Watch (along with their Android counterparts) are the biggest, hokiest gimmick of all.

I'm not saying they doesn't sell...only that they are "much ado about nothing".

(I'm an avowed watch aficionado.)

Anyway...carry on.

Dick Tracy didn't think so--

Not a watch fan. But, as advances in technology are making hardware smaller, more viable features may be added making it more attractive to the masses.

 

[Feenician]

Faster processors are not innovation

No innovation goes into producing the world's fastest mobile ARM processors, right? Curved glass though, that's super innovative, right?

Modern day smartphones are fast enough.

LOL. The above two statements are meant to downplay Apple's absolute dominance in designing and engineering the most sophisticated part of any smartphone. Transparent and absurd.

By the way, one more chance to answer this, or concede that your "Apple only succeeds by magic marketing" garbage has implications you cannot account for. Your agreement will be implicit

Let's assume this ridiculous hyperbole is true for a moment*. How harshly would you then judge Google/Samsung/HTC et al for, after almost a decade of iPhone being unable to match or exceed that success? In the case of Samsung that's with a far greater marketing budget than Apple. On a scale of 1-10 how flagrantly incompetent are they, and should shareholders be demanding the heads of each of the CEOs of these companies?

 

[brianric]

Can you imagine if Canon suddenly changed their lens mount so no other lenses would fit except Canon-approved lenses.

It'd be the end of Canon.

Canon actually did that in 1987, instantly obsoleting all lenses, including Canon. Canon survived quite nicely.
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Your tone suggests I'm incorrect. I was getting at the fact batteries in iPhones are non-removable.

Same as Samsung S7.

 

[akash.nu]

I think we here are a very small percentage of iphone and even more so smartphone owners. We tend to think we are the only ones who understand these questions posted on the Forum. As a group we underestimate the consumer. Most are well aware of the features and how they apply or don't apply to them. Other than kids who may buy for status, I think most adults don't buy a phone just to be cool. "If they do they need a life" Whether it makes them cool or not. Most consumers now days do a lot of research on-line before making a choice.

Speculation is all we have. I think smartphones in general may plateau since there is not much else "big" we can do to them. Maybe as we get closer to AI software or a week long battery. I find curved screens a gimmick.

Perhaps the watch will see the biggest gains in the next five years.

All IMHO

Completely agree with you on underestimating the average joe there.

 

[I7guy]

Faster processors are not innovation.Modern day smartphones are fast enough.Its like upgrading to a i7 5960K from a i7 2600K.Sure the benefits are there but beyond a certain point diminishing utility starts kicking in

Exactly.To add another point by making the iPhone 7 underwhelming they are insuring themselves as the iPhone 8 being an anniversary iPhone shouldnt be associated with falling sales

Personally after owning an Watch I feel weird not wearing it when I leave it home,but I wouldnt say it revolutionised my life as much as the iPhone and iPad did

Do tell us, what is innovation? An oled screen?

 

[Jimmy James]

Another rehash of that dated design which the Galaxy S7 Edge makes it look like a forgotten monster from 2010

2014.

 

[freepomme]

Whenever a new product comes out its just: Something else to charge™

 

[JayIsAwesome]

It will be more than that. My 50 million friends all said they are upgrading to the iPhone 7.
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The lady in the video wouldn't happen to be one of your 50 million friends? B/c that would be awesome. And with 50 million friends, you're 1 away from tying Beyoncé and the Rugrats own Angelica Pickles

 

[I7guy]

I have four Nikon DSLRs (D5, D810, Df and D700. I have two Panasonic's GX-8, selling off my Fuji XT-1 setup. I'm through with upgrading my Nikon equipment. If anything I'll more and likely upgrade or add to my M43 system.

To each their own, right?
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The lady in the video wouldn't happen to be one of your 50 million friends? B/c that would be awesome. And with 50 million friends, you're 1 away from tying Beyoncé and the Rugrats own Angelica Pickles

With 50 million friends cant remember them all.

 

[2IS]

Why are we talking about a decline in sales when there hasn't even been a phone announced? I just don't get that, sorry.

What don't you get, exactly? Why can't we talk about what may happen? It's not that hard. In fact, that's exactly what we are doing. Which part are you finding it difficult to wrap your head around?

 

[Radon87000]

No innovation goes into producing the world's fastest mobile ARM processors, right? Curved glass though, that's super innovative, right?

Nope .Definitely not on the scale of the Retina display back in 2010.I am telling you nothing came close to it.It demolished the competition at that time .It was also unexpected and a game changing experience for the user

We expect the usual specs bump every year.Nothing great about that.For example just like how Apple has the best Soc,Samsung has the best displays but for Samsung customers innovation would be processors that compete head to head with Apple while for Apple customers it would be a better high resolution display technology which is a game changing experience

The criteria should be something which changes the experience for the end user

LOL. The above two statements are meant to downplay Apple's absolute dominance in designing and engineering the most sophisticated part of any smartphone. Transparent and absurd.

But they are fast enough.In normal use ,the iPhone would execute an app 1-2!second faster than the Samsung .

Would you upgrade for that?Nope

I upgraded from the iPad Air 2 to the oPad Pro and unless I place both of them side I would never realise the Pro is faster
(Although the stutters are a complete different story)

By the way, one more chance to answer this, or concede that your "Apple only succeeds by magic marketing" garbage has implications you cannot account for. Your agreement will be implicit

The fact that they are able to sell a 16GB iPhone with a 750P display for 650 bucks in 2016 says it all.Dont even get me started on the huge bezels of the Plus.The S7 manages to fit a bigger screen in a smaller footprint than the 6 plus . If it weren't for their marketing,name one other manufacturer who could get away with this

 

[Radon87000]

Do tell us, what is innovation? An oled screen?

Yup.For Apple customers .Why do you think Apple is replacing the LCD with OLED first time in a decade while processors are upgraded every year.

 

[Feenician]

Nope .Definitely not on the scale of the Retina display back in 2010.I am telling you nothing came close to it.It demolished the competition at that time .It was also unexpected and a game changing experience for the user

Microprocessor design is a lesser feat than buying a display panel. You heard it here first folks

But they are fast enough.In normal use ,the iPhone would execute an app 1-2!second faster than the Samsung .

Apparently "they" are not. As 2 minutes searching on the Note 7 shows: -

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/galaxy-note-7.1962717/page-155#post-23306295
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/galaxy-note-7.1962717/page-165#post-23317435
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/galaxy-note-7.1962717/page-169#post-23321046
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/galaxy-note-7.1962717/page-171#post-23321714
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/galaxy-note-7.1962717/page-172#post-23324591
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/galaxy-note-7.1962717/page-172#post-23324591

and before you try to "counter" this with an equivalent search on the ios forums, consider that you would be proving my point. They most certainly are not "fast enough at this point" and your only reason for wanting to de-emphasise speed as a differentiator is that it doesn't fit your narrative of Apple Bad.

Now, as to how they "get away" with this? Well, I cannot speak for others but for me: -
- The relative coherence of iOS
- The relative security of iOS
- The relative strength of the the App Store (though at this point we're comparing bad to really bad, I'll admit)
- The relative performance of iOS and Ax hardware
- The network effect of having other Apple devices that integrate

The world does not boil down to a spec sheet, a core count, a screen resolution or black level. The real world is much more nuanced but I've been listening to Android guys trying to win a check box battle for nigh on 10 years now and being puzzled when the world doesn't play out that way. At that point the usual fallbacks happen, "isheep", "marketing", "koolaid" - all substitutes for the fact that the world is not a spreadsheet and people don't work that way.

PS you still never answered how it's possible for Apple's presumably competent competitors to close this marketing gap. Unless it's actual magic they should be able to hire the appropriate people and formula the appropriate strategies, no?

 

[Elisha]

There were a bunch of phones with higher resolution before Retina even came out. They were all Japanese phones from Sony, Sharp, Panasonic, and etc. They were all fighting for the HD TV market and used their phones to market them.