iPhone 7 to Include Five Colors, IPX7 Water Resistance, Dual 12MP Cameras on Plus Model

[gnasher729]

Sounds not enough to upgrade from iPhone 6s plus

Statistics are that only about 1% - 2% buy a new phone every year. Question: Is it enough to put your old iPhone 4 / 4s / 5 / 5s / 6 / 6+ to rest at last? There's no need to convince those that just bought a phone. You need to convince those with 2 or 3 year old phones that this makes it worth upgrading. AND that they should upgrade to an Apple phone.

 

[HobeSoundDarryl]

How is the jack outdated? And it's closer to 100 years old and one of the most used audio standards in the world. Read this BBC article.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35253398

Because Apple is killing it. If Apple dropped the battery for the very same "antiquated" rationalizations, this crowd would argue the genius in that too. Remember, we're the same crowd that ripped bigger screen phones while Apple clung to smaller screens, then forgot "our" passionate opinions as soon as Apple adopted bigger screens.

Now that we pretty much know it's ejected, it must be bashed down to death... But not in Mac threads where it's still used by Apple- just here- in this ONE Apple product.

 

[powertoold]

Macbook Pro in piano black. Thanks.

 

[calzon65]

- Improved IPX7 water resistance matching that of the original Apple Watch and making the device suitable for splashes, showering, and even brief dips in water up to one meter deep.

Gonna be a lot of water getting wasted if people can text and Facebook in the shower

Good one

 

[Mac 128]

I use both at the same time every day in my car.

I just want to pop it into my car (that I already own and don't plan to upgrade it or the stereo soon) and charge it (because the battery could be significantly bigger) and pipe audio into the AUX port. A cheap Y-adaptor would be perfect, it's got to be cheap because I want them for all my headphones (they probably don't all need to be y-adaptors); if they're charging us a lot for them, there is no benefit to them saving money and space by pulling it apart.

Realistically, who's asking for it to be smaller? The customers? The geeky users?

Of all the comments I see in these (and other) forums, I pretty much never hear people saying "Can you make it thinner and smaller", do you?

Make the phone 10% thicker, give me: better speakers, better battery life, a headphone jack, and a camera that doesn't stick out and USB-C; or even make it 20% thicker (so pretty much) no one will complain about battery life and a much better lens (since it has some depth), a true front facing flash and they could toss in some more RAM/processing power since we've got the extra juice.

I'd have to think that they'll be removing it from the iPads and iPod Touch for their reasoning to hold up.

Removing the headphone jack is actually going to push you into a direction that will make your life much easier on that daily commute. I too had an old head unit and every time I got into my car, I had to plug in two cables, and then unplug them when I got out. I didn't want to buy a new head unit. Then I discovered a $20 BT 4 dongle for my car. Changed my life. All I had to plug in was my Lightning cable, and the BT would connect automatically when I turned on the ignition. This made short trips a joy, since my iPhone would just pick up where I left off from the previous trip, without even plugging in anything!! That one $20 purchase changed my life.

The charging thing with headphones won't be a problem. At a minimum there will be something as simple and inelegant as a "Y" splitter you'll be able to pick up 5/$10. My hope is that Apple includes a pass-through cabl

20% thicker is not likely to improve the battery beyond the point that people will stop complaining about battery life. So it's kind of moot. As for your other wish list items, I could go through them one by one, and explain how I don't use them the way you do and we'd have a draw -- your needs vs. mine. What Apple is doing is catering to largest common denominator. How else could a business as large as Apple do it?

 

[Mactendo]

I thought increasing pixel count would require more powerful graphics and decrease battery life. So I have not been able to come up with an answer to why is it important to increase the pixel count. What am I missing?

You are not missing anything. Some people will always ask for bigger numbers regardless of the current value and argue the screen/camera/whatever resolution is low.

Arguments of those people are pretty serious though:

'Some will argue that it doesn't matter because at x inches away the human eye blah blah blah'

Watching 4 K video on a tiny phone is a stupid idea IMO, and increasing pixel count not only requires more power, but also adds headache to all software developers who'll need to adjust their apps artwork to new resolutions. While the current iPhone/iPad screen resolutions are pretty good from a user point of view and also were picked with developers in mind.

 

[gnasher729]

How many people truly use the 3.5 jack AND the lighting port at the same time?

I always do. Always forget charging overnight, then the phone just about makes it to work, and then I plug it in and listen to music at the same time.

 

[Tompkinson]

Out of curiosity, what kind of business apps allow business owners to run their companies remotely? I'd be interested in checking them out. Cheers.

In my case it is not a matter of specific apps. I use apple's standard apps plus a couple of widespread apps like evernote, Skype, dropbox, airline apps etc. nothing special.
Rather it is the elegance of doing almost everything necessary on one device which is in my pocket at all times. this includes scanning contracts, writing invoices, taking pics for promotion, filming and editing interview snippets for youtube, booking all flights & hotel rooms (for a 100 piece orchestra), recording rehearsals, etc etc.
Obviously I have different needs from a CEO of a multi-national corp or a window cleaner, but i used to literally spend hundreds of hours a year looking for internet cafes around the world, trying to fix computers in hotel's useless "business centres"... now i have half the work done during breakfast and while waiting to get on a plane.

 

[Mactendo]

Macbook Pro in piano black. Thanks.

The only thing left is a piano in rose gold

 

[The Game 161]

loving the thought of the black model
256GB
water resistance
2nd speaker is good
true tone display
duel camera

 

[Cloudsurfer]

Hopefully the piano black won't be as scratchy as the iPhone 3G

 

[Mac 128]

I always do. Always forget charging overnight, then the phone just about makes it to work, and then I plug it in and listen to music at the same time.

Out of curiosity, why don't you plug it in when you're in the car? Or if you take public transportation, grab a fully charged battery pack to take with you? Now granted, that's a one time use situation, as you might forget to plug both in at night, after a days use. That's where Siri comes in handy giving me a reminder to do things as soon as I walk in my front door. And if I'm too busy to respond, she will snooze until I dismiss, and actually do it.

Either way, being able to charge your iPhone and listen to music at the same time will not be a problem everybody seems to be making it out to be, as if Apple never thought about the problem, even after a year of online complaining about it in Apple forums.

 

[truthertech]

I, like many others, drank the "digital connections are better" cool aid until I read a very interesting discussion on MacRumors.

Unfortunately the alleged quality improvement using a Lighting connected device can be very misleading. The only way you will see any noticeable improvement is 1) have better source material digitized using a superior codec, 2) the Lightning connected device would need to have a superior DAC/AMP compared to the internal DAC/AMP in the iPhone, 3) the speakers in the associated Lighting connected device would need to also be superior compared to the current speakers you get in high quality headphones using the 3.5mm connector.

If all those items are improved, then yes the overall sound quality should improve. But Apple and the uninformed public will chant ... "digital connections are better ... digital connections are better"; without understanding the science behind it, they are generally dead wrong with that basic/limited understanding.

Here is that fantastic MacRumors discussion.

https://www.macrumors.com/2016/06/08/iphone-7-audiophile-lightning-headphones/

With their billions spent on R&D and thousands of engineers, do you really want to post that Apple is dead wrong and has doesn't understand the science behind digital connections? Kool-Aid BTW

 

[Rigby]

And one that's been around for nearly a century! It's time for a change.

Why?

This time next year, no cell phones will have that port.

I doubt it. The latest new phones that were just presented at IFA such as the Sony Xperia XZ and X Compact, Huawei Nova, Lenovo P2 and A+ all have a headphone jack.

What I can pretty much guarantee though is that no phone other than the iPhone will ever support Lightning headphones, and maybe not even future iPhones will ...

 

[DeepIn2U]

Storage capacities of 32 GB, 128 GB, and 256 GB on both the iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus.
^ now we're talking!

But we should have:
IP5SE = 16/32 (include the 6S' haptic engine)
IP6 = 16/32/ (maybe just KILL this model too similar to 6S)
IP6S =64/128
IP7/7+ = 64/128/256

 

[GoodWheaties]

They added a great new feature this year that was a big explosive hit.

You could say Note 7 sales really blew up

 

[subzero123]

Definitely going to stick with my Note 7 this year, explosions and all. Lets see if apple can get their sh*t together and actually redesign the phone well for 2017 and maybe ill come back to the iPhone.

 

[gijoeinla]

A huge upgrade just on the camera is enough for Apple to generate a couple of hundred million in free advertising via the media on Wednesday....Um Yea - a camera upgrade is enough to drive people to buy....

 

[Tompkinson]

Well you got me ... I do pick "harder to refute" examples when I see folks make blanket statements like "3.5mm is going away ... which is generally code for forever".

I have a set of nice Beats headphones and another set of Beats earbuds. I love that I can plug them into my iPhone, iPad, Dell laptop, desktop, in-seat audio on airline flights (I fly a lot so that example matters to me). I never have to worry about adapters and the 3.5mm standard "just works" to steal a slogan from Apple. The 3.5mm example is convenient, reliable, and consistent among disparate systems. I hate that I will have to deal with adapters and maybe I won't be able to listen to music (via headphone/earbud) and charge my iPhone at the same time, that is even more of a nuisance. Then taking the 3.5mm jack and giving me a second speaker for some alleged "stereo" sound from speakers an inch apart, is yet another slap in the face to me.

I also loath the arguments of alleged quality improvement, the whole Lighting digital is better than 3.5mm analog is completely absurd and simply parroted by people who don't know what they are talking about. I admit I was one of those "digital parrots" until I read this detailed discussion on MacRumors.

https://www.macrumors.com/2016/06/08/iphone-7-audiophile-lightning-headphones/

What most of those folks don't understand is that the source material you are listening to is digitally encoded, there is a DAC/AMP in the iPhone that converts that digital signal to analog and that signal travels along a wire to your speakers, with the wire connecting to your iPhone via a 3.5mm connector. Even if you have Lightning connected headphones, yes it's digital signal from the iPhone to the DAC/AMP in the headphones, you simply move the DAC/AMP function from the iPhone to the headphones, BUT from your Lightening connected headphones internal DAC/AMP onward, the signal still travels as AN ANALOG SIGNAL along a wire to your speakers. The whole quality argument to me is the most ludicrous and filled with so much misinformation it's sad.

I understand your points. But you do realise that many will just repeat and spout nonsense about audio quality etc... when they don't really know what they are talking about. You seem to be interested and informed about the inner audio workings of the phone, so more power to you. I know too little to comment about the quality, can just make observations about the implementation and possible futures.

About adapters: we have not seem them yet, they may be horrific, but more likely they will be a small extension to your standard headphone cord. And probably there will be a an adapter which will allow charging while listening. It may be an inconvenience to you, agreed. Or you may stop noticing after using for a while. We don't know. But in the bigger scale of things: it will be ok in the long run.
We also do not know whether the stereo effect - the second speaker being at the other end of the phone according to the rumour, thus more than an inch apart - will be useful or a gimmick.
Personally - when watching video on the phone in landscape mode - i don't use the speakers, i use headphones. Unsurprisingly in the context of our conversation: wireless headphones ;-)

 

[gnasher729]

The 3.5mm jack is a decades old piece of technology that is long past its sell-by date. It's inefficient for the production of audio compared to digital output methods and is holding the industry back from widely adopting high quality output methods, like lighting or usb-c, and from forcing innovators to finally come up with more efficient bluetooth technology. The headphone jack is lazy. Good riddance.

What makes you think analogue output is inferior to digital? I'll tell you a secret: Your ears are analogue. Something, somewhere _must_ convert the digital signal to analogue. That converter needs power. The easiest way to get a high quality digital / analog converter is to build it into the phone, where you have a strong power supply, and tons of electronics designed by people who know how to put high quality components into the smallest possible space.

And since 99.9999% of existing earphones and headphones don't have a built-in digital / analog converter, the iPhone still needs to have one.

 

[Pentium]

That's not that bad lol

 

[Rigby]

And that's exactly why they'll do it. It's Apples MO for decades. I don't like it either but it's the most likely scenario.

I don't think so. Apple is actually a strong supporter of Bluetooth. Besides audio streaming, they also use it for Airdrop, Continuity features, the Apple Watch, the Pencil, the Apple TV remote and other things. I see no reason why they would want to introduce a proprietary system for audio.

 

[flat five]

Give us back the 3.5mm jack and keep your second/improved speaker. We don’t need a so-called stereo in our pockets.

use an adapter.. they make some that you can plug 3.5 into.
is that really a big deal or cumbersome to use?
really?
idk, i think you might be a little overdramatic about this.

 

[mantan]

Piano black... my body is ready.

that's what she said

 

[Tompkinson]

Yep, I'll be upgrading from a 4S, so the urgency to annually upgrade evades me, but different folks have different priorities and whims.

Agreed.
There was a post here a few weeks ago in which someone complained of being disappointed by all three of his/her various apple watches.... Owning 3 apple watches seems bizarre to me, but it's obviously his/her main focus of interest. and if they have the money: why not? one hopes they also contribute to society in more ways than merely consuming ;-)
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Will there be an adapter that les you charge the phone and listen to music with wired headphones at the same time?

Yes
No
Maybe.