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How many do you expect to see in 5 years? 10 years?
I am in the shower right now, can't see a single 3,5mm port anywhere...

See that is also a problem, shower head manufacturers should include a 3.5mm audio jack, what are those clowns thinking :)

If you are in the shower, do you have a prelease iPhone 7 with improved waterproofing? I love the guy who posted earlier that the iPhone 7 will result in more Facebook and Twitter posts from the shower.
 
Does the IPX7 rating mean the phone will be able to withstand humidity? I would love to be able to control my music from the shower, leaving my phone outside the shower but within arms reach.
 
Read my above comment. The point I was trying to make was that the 3.5 jack is not going to stick around much longer on any device.
This is where I disagree completely. It may well go away on mobile devices but there are so many other electronic devices that use it that I don't see changing to anything else anytime soon and the ones that do are not going to go lightning. Possibly USB-c on some devices but things like stereos, tv, airplanes, stationary audio devices to name just a few, will keep the standard audio jack. There's simply no need to remove it from a lot of devices. Even on PCs there's really no point because there's plenty of space and there's no need for a change.
 
Why wouldn't they think you were crazy? Apple's never included an adapter for any of their products. If true, it will be a first for them.

This is a little different to the other past apple 'game changers' There must be 7 billion 3.5mm jacks at least in the world. (this is a guess but I dont think I'm far wrong if at all).
Apple would have been crazy to risk upsetting so many.
The expression "commercial suicide" comes to mind.
So this time a free adapter in box
was a must have - must include - must keep all these billions as happy as we can for the 50 cent cost.
To retain not lose iOS owners and gain android customers (Tim's important android migrators - Jan '16 talk).
 
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It doesn't? So how do you connect it when you fly? Or do you always fly business class? :)

LOL nope it doesn't, maybe I should post some rants on the Subzero boards if they have any hahaha.

To your question, I would say I fly first/business about 70% of the time domestically in the USA and about 85% of the time internationally. Even flying in coach mostly on United Airlines, a lot of their aircraft (both Boeing and Airbus) have been upgraded with 3.5mm audio jacks. This is generally true for the major US carriers (United, American, and Delta), I know Southwest has nothing, I don't know about the other US carriers. I have seen a number of non US carriers that have also added in-seat audio to 3.5mm audio jacks.
 
Maybe that is your circle of friends.

Yes, they all work here. They are all younger than I am, so I guess they are the next generation, the future so to speak

Last data I saw showed that 85% of all headphone or earbud purchases are still 3.5mm based, currently. That's a lot of potential customers they are going to alienate.

And a lot of potential customers who will spend money on future solutions for listening to music, and adapters to charge while listening.
Personally I am surprised we aren't all carrying around gramophone devices, with vinyl at 78rpm. A lot of people spent a lot of money on those machines, and felt alienated when the music cassette player was introduced by Phillips.
Potential customers of boomboxes jumped from the windows of skyscrapers the day the CD player was announced.
 
These should have been the colors:

Matt Black
Matt silver
Satin Rose Gold
Polished Gold

Polished black = gross
 
If you don't have a 3.5mm jack, yes you can't charge and play music to your wired 3.5mm headphones, plus you have to deal with an adapter when the current solution (Lighting and 3.5mm coexisting on the phone) works perfectly well.

But that's not the end of it, what if you now purchase a sleek set of Lighting connected headphones. Unless Apple makes yet another adapter but this time with two Lighting ports, one for power and the other pass-through, you can't plug in your Lighting headphones and charge your phone.

By going to one port for charging, data/audio, etc., our options have been reduced.
Chances are that if you buy any sleek new set of wired headphones, the cable will be detachable. The Headphone manufacturers may even begin including both 3.5mm and lightning cables in the box. The only thing you can't do is charge your phone while using wired headphones, which sounds like a flustercuck anyway. The horror...
 
I don't think it is about a plug. Don't be fulled by the lighting port, which by the way itself will age and die sooner then you think. It is all about wireless. By the way, I am not really expert but isn't the audio quality better with lighting port then 3.5mm audio jack?

The same. It's more the DAC that improves audio.
Think of it this way though... in all big businesses (IBM, Apple, Microsoft, etc.) their computers are networked over Cat6 cabling, NOT wireless in their offices.
Whilst homes are 99.99% wireless.
Again- CONSUMERS like you & I choose convenience 1st... & don't mind replacing our maybe $100-200 worth of equipment every few years. But, if we had different needs where convenience came in last, in terms of importance.... and our replacement costs ran in the hundreds of thousands; we'd stick with whatever served those needs longest, sans complete infrastructure replacement.
Currently... no wireless tech approaches "over the wire" in terms of audio fidelity. For the vast amount of consumers, say 80% is "good enough"... but for the (admittedly smaller) segment that are ponying up thousands upon thousands for the absolute best- a constantly changing audio connection standard is not viable.
I agree with you that lightning isn't long-term, nor is USB-C, wireless had a,b,g,n, & ac. Wired in that same time went from Cat5e to Cat6.... MUCH less upgrading.
Imagine that we are having this same debate, but 20 years ago... & your position is "wifi is awesome; wired data transfer as a whole will go away" & I'm saying "well, for consumers... but businesses will be wired for decades to come". Who'd be right there?
To be clear: I'm NOT disparaging wireless audio, or lightning audio, merely stating with full confidence that no matter what their adoption rate- the headphone jack will linger in a few segments for many years to come.
 
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Why do people keep saying this? Of course you will be able to charge your iPhone while using your headphones.
Without wireless charging, if your headphones are plugged into the charging port, I fail to see how you could charge while listening. Not that it matters, it seems like a non-issue to me.
 
You see, I'm a consumer and I don't need to know what I want before I see it. However, Apple as the manufacturer needs innovate something awesome so when I see I want it. With iPhone 7 this is not happening. Better luck next time Apple!

What an odd attitude... or are you being ironic?
Your definition of the word 'consumer' is amazingly passive almost slave-ish.
I know exactly what I want. if there are any bonus features I had not thought about, that a nice extra.
But I certainly don't sit back and hope that something happens which will impress me.
If you don't mind me asking: how do you decide which food to cook? how do you choose sexual partners?
Interesting...
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Its a man...

'It's' a man?
Is it?
You mean she is a he?
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Look harder ;-)
Haha! :)
 



KGI Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo, who has a very solid track record when it comes to Apple product rumors, has released his most detailed research report yet ahead of Wednesday's iPhone 7 launch. The report recaps a number of claims previously shared by Kuo and others while also introducing several new tidbits about the device.

Kuo notes that there are many upgrades and other changes with the iPhone 7, but because the overall design is similar to the iPhone 6s, "general users may not feel the differences significantly." Details on the iPhone 7 include:

- New A10 chip from TSMC that could top out at 2.4-2.45 GHz, although Apple may clock it a bit lower due to heat and power consumption concerns.

- Storage capacities of 32 GB, 128 GB, and 256 GB on both the iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus. The iPhone 7 Plus will include 3 GB of DRAM to support the dual-lens camera, while the iPhone 7 will continue to include 2 GB.

- Five color options including the usual silver, gold, and rose gold, along with a "dark black" replacing the usual Space Gray. A new fifth color Kuo describes as glossy "piano black" will also be offered. A photo of SIM trays in those five colors surfaced earlier this week.

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- Improved IPX7 water resistance matching that of the original Apple Watch and making the device suitable for splashes, showering, and even brief dips in water up to one meter deep.

- No headphone jack, with Apple providing both Lightning EarPods and a Lightning to 3.5 mm jack adapter in the box. Removal of the headphone jack will allow for an upgraded speaker and a new sensor for improved Force Touch.

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- Earpiece receiver to become a speaker with the addition of a new audio amplifier. Rather than putting a second speaker at the bottom in place of the headphone jack, Apple is said to be upgrading the earpiece receiver at the top of the device to become a full speaker. The change would provide enough separation to allow for stereo sound when the device is held in landscape orientation.

- Pressure-sensitive click-less home button to benefit water resistance. New haptics to mimic a clicking sensation when the button is pressed will be included.

- Wide color displays in the same sizes and resolutions as the current iPhone 6s and 6s Plus. The wide color technology adopted from the 9.7-inch iPad Pro will offer better color quality.

- Dual-lens rear camera on the iPhone 7 Plus, which will increase Apple's costs by about $40 and could make the iPhone 7 Plus more expensive than the iPhone 6s Plus. Both lenses will be 12-megapixel, but one will be a wide-angle camera with larger pixel sizes, a 6P lens, and optical image stabilization, while the second will be a telephoto lens with smaller pixel sizes and a 5P lens.

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- Upgraded rear camera flash with four LEDs (two cool and two warm) and a new ambient light sensor for better image quality.

- Possible upgraded proximity sensor shifting from LED to laser for faster response and greater recognition distance, as well as potential gesture recognition.

- FeliCa NFC support in models sold in Japan, as had been previously rumored for either the iPhone 7 or the 2017 iPhone.

Overall, Kuo believes iPhone 7 shipments will be below that of the iPhone 6s through the end of the year, coming in at 60-65 million compared to 82 million last year. Kuo reports that Apple's water resistance requirements resulted in low assembly yields that pushed back the start of mass production until the second half of August.

Make sure to check out our "What to Expect" post for a recap on other announcements expected at Wednesday's event and stay tuned to MacRumors for other last-minute news and rumors. On the event day, we'll have full live coverage here on MacRumors.com and through our MacRumorsLive Twitter account, starting at 10:00 AM Pacific Time.

Article Link: iPhone 7 to Include Five Colors, IPX7 Water Resistance, Dual 12MP Cameras on Plus Model


Saw this pic on weibo... Probably fake but still gives an idea of the piano black! (Disappointed if no dark
Not too shabby after all.
 

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Chances are that if you buy any sleek new set of wired headphones, the cable will be detachable. The Headphone manufacturers may even begin including both 3.5mm and lightning cables in the box. The only thing you can't do is charge your phone while using wired headphones, which sounds like a flustercuck anyway. The horror...

You might be right, I can see some of the higher end headphone manufacturers including interchangeable cables, I think Bose did that years ago with their headphones.

I think Apple is too focused on trying to "minimize" things like changing the iPhone to have a single port for charging, data, audio, interchange, etc. This has been one of the underlying complaints with the new MacBook where Apple chose a single USB-C port for power, data, network, etc. So if anyone wants to power their MacBook, connect to USB, wired network, etc. it requires a variety of third party adapters or a large multi port adapter to pin-out that USB-C port to a host of other connectors.
 
The same. It's more the DAC that improves audio.
Think of it this way though... in all big businesses (IBM, Apple, Microsoft, etc.) their computers are networked over Cat6 cabling, NOT wireless in their offices.
Whilst homes are 99.99% wireless.
Again- CONSUMERS like you & I choose convenience 1st... & don't mind replacing our maybe $100-200 worth of equipment every few years. But, if we had different needs where convenience came in last, in terms of importance.... and our replacement costs ran in the hundreds of thousands; we'd stick with whatever served those needs longest, sans complete infrastructure replacement.
Currently... no wireless tech approaches "over the wire" in terms of audio fidelity. For the vast amount of consumers, say 80% is "good enough"... but for the (admittedly smaller) segment that are ponying up thousands upon thousands for the absolute best- a constantly changing audio connection standard is not viable.
I agree with you that lightning isn't long-term, nor is USB-C, wireless had a,b,g,n, & ac. Wired in that same time went from Cat5e to Cat6.... MUCH less upgrading.
Imagine that we are having this same debate, but 20 years ago... & your position is "wifi is awesome; wired data transfer as a whole will go away" & I'm saying "well, for consumers... but businesses will be wired for decades to come". Who'd be right there?
To be clear: I'm NOT disparaging wireless audio, or lightning audio, merely stating with full confidence that no matter what their adoption rate- the headphone jack will linger in a few segments for many years to come.

excellent post.
 
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