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hmmmm, such anger. What about the millions of us who didn't spend hundreds of dollars on high quality head phones? I think we will be fine with Bluetooth.
"universal standard across laptops, automobiles, desktops, music players, stereos, mobile phones, tablets, even in-seat audio jacks on most passenger airlines" Hope you will be fine with your BT headset
 
Removing the jack just to make stereo speakers?
My old old Sony Ericsson W760 had that...
What a poor excuse to get rid of that audio jack
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And my Macintosh Performa had a floppy drive... Doesn't make it a better computer than a Mac of today (though in processing terms they're probably pretty similar, considering the age of the chips Apple are using at the moment... ;) ).

I'm only joking really, I was listening to music in the car via the headphone jack today and it just struck me how inconvenient it would be to carry around adapters all the time. I don't think it'll be a very easy transition, but hopefully it'll speed up the adoption and quality of Bluetooth systems. What I don't understand (apart from the money they can make...) is why they've been so blasé in adding Lightning to all their Mac accessories, whilst USB-C is patiently sitting there waiting to become 'the one port to rule them all, the one port to bind them'. Surely dropping the 3.5mm is the perfect time to switch the iPhone to USB-C and begin a happy period of every headphone, charger and accessory working with every smartphone, tablet and laptop. I knew the promise of USB-C was all too good to be true.
 
Not quite universal. My car from 2000 (Honda Insight) didn't feature any sort of audio input. My car from 10 year later (Toyota Prius) does have 3.5mm audio input, but it also has a USB input, so of course I would use the lightning cable to listen to music and charge at the same time. My car from 2015 (Toyota Highlander) has 3.5mm and USB, and also Bluetooth audio.

My next car will be a 2018 Tesla Model 3. I expect it to have USB and Bluetooth, but not 3.5mm audio. I think I read that the Model S doesn't come with 3.5mm audio input jacks.

Bet you cant wait for the Tesla 3.
My favorite 'potential' car is the Tesla model "X" 4x4 the under 4 sec 0 to 60mph one but really 'green' too. That Musk guy is doing a fine job fair play.
 
Be interesting to see what the dark black and the glossy piano black will look like (that's if the glossy piano black happens). My only concern with the piano black would be that the glossy finish, might make it more slippy than the other finishes and also, more of a finger print magnet. Nice to have more choice of colours though.
I actually feel like the glossy might be easier to grip than the regular finish. But we'll see.
 
Haven't seen anyone really talk about the new home button feature. Is there not going to be a cutout on the lower bezel?

Bluetooth might be fine for audio/music only but I notice significant lag when watching movies/video. The audio just doesn't pare up with on screen. Hopefully they address this.
 
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I can see users submerging this in more than just one meter.. It's just our way of thinking :)
Pressure sensitive home button is good, just as long its not "too sensitive" Probably user controlled, (or Apple controlled.)
 
Removing the jack just to make stereo speakers?
My old old Sony Ericsson W760 had that...
What a poor excuse to get rid of that audio jack
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Wow. You would really have quite a point; if that were actually the actual reason, or even if someone had actually said that was the reason. But the only one who has said that was the reason is you.
And the funniest part about the whole thing is; That's not the reason.
 
So: we are no longer talking about the iPhone headphone question, but about "headphone jacks in pro equipment" ?
OK.
I doubt that pro equipment enthusiasts choose headphones as an investment they will pass down to their children & heirs. But possibly I am out of touch with the type of people who proudly declare: "These headphones were passed down to me by my great-grandfather, the 3rd Earl of Winchester and Bose."
About the jack itself: you might very well be right, but who knows what the the next decades will bring? We don't even know for certain what the next iPhone will look like next week.
Life and tech is full of surprises.

I was being perhaps hyperbolic, but to whit: here is my dream set of cans http://www.gradolabs.com/headphones/professional-series/item/23-ps1000e
About $1700... and to steal a quote "they don't have FEW peers, they have NONE". A large investment, yes. But completely worth it, in my eyes (or... to my ears I suppose. Lol). When people are serious about audio; they may have a dedicated "listening room" in their home... they may have, when they 1st bought the house, had an audio engineer come out and place speakers, etc.
This may seem like a grand expense, but it only would be borne ONCE. Audio equipment & standards are such that that is true. They are NOT similar to consumer electronics specifications.... they don't rapidly change. That is what that industry is built on & centers around. Now, I applaud and embrace ALL tech advances! I can't wait to use my fancy (skinny!!!! waterproof!!!) iPhone 7; I don't mind at all that it doesn't have an audio jack, and I certainly DO believe all the copycats will follow suit.
What I don't believe and won't do- is stick my head in the sand & claim death knell for the 3.5mm jack in NON consumer equipment... equipment that does NOT need to be thinner and lighter, equipment that does NOT need to be waterproof. It would be such an expensive and pointless and industry destroying move, it is literally unthinkable. I recognize there will be a slight fork, if you will, in audio equipment in the near future- in that consumer equipment will change connectors every three or four or five years, to the latest/thinnest/securest/power optimized option; while professional equipment will march along for the foreseeable future with their standard.
THERE IS NO ISSUE HERE!!! Nobody will be stepping on any one else's toes. Trust me.
 
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Again I might be missing something, but how can you charge the phone while headphones are plugged into the charging port?

Here's what Apple currently offers that may help explain it:

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And here's how it could be simply incorporated into the Lightning charging cable already included in the box, without being as bulky as those other docks and adapters:

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There still needs to be a way to fast charge the airbuds when out and about. My money is on a magnetic inductive cable that can be attached when the battery is low which will also allowed wired listening. A "Y" adapter is not need. Please see the pass through Lighting port on Apple's battery case for the 6s.



As I pointed out on other threads, Apple is already solving this with various dongles and the battery case for the 6s.

As for the headphones charging the phone? Yes. That could happen. Beats already has a 3.5mm passthrough for sharing audio with friends. I am expecting Beats to have a USB-C port on one side, and a Lightning port on the other. They might have a 3.5mm jack as well, but I sort of doubt it. They will come with one USB-C to Lightning cable to charge and listen. That cable can be flipped around for use on a retina MacBook. Or, the Lightning charging cable that came with the iPhone can be plugged into the headphones Lightning port and charge the iPhone via the headphones.



I have never been in a recording studio that didn't have a cable or adapter for whatever equipment I needed to plug in, including power for any common device of the day.

I think the "AirBuds" will have a male lightning jack to plug into iPhone -
"AirBuds" charged off iPhone 0-100 in about 30 minutes.
So very very fast.
 
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Analogue sound quality is as good as it gets. Bluetooth is far, far worse. Lightning may sound similar enough to analogue but it's proprietary. Lightning headphones can't even be plugged into Macs for goodness' sake, let alone PCs or any other audio players.

Just to clarify (regardless of your opinion on this change), it's not an either/or scenario with regards to digital v. analog, if the audio source is an iPhone, it's starting digital, when it gets to your ears, it's been converted to analog - i.e., even the analog output from 3.5mm headphone jack starts as digital, is passed through a DAC, then to the port/cable/headphones/drivers.

Same with Lightning, USB, BT, it simply changes where the D-to-A occurs, however, the reduction in data across a digital wireless signal (due to speed, compression, etc.) can cause a lower quality analog output.


"Wide color displays in the same sizes and resolutions as the current iPhone 6s and 6s Plus"

So, iPhone's screen resolution continues being 326 PPI (excluding Plus).

I get what you're saying and I don't mean to be too pedantic (see first reply :D) but the resolution _did_ change between the 4S and 5, and the 5S and 6. The PPI stayed the same, as a result of the resolution increasing, but also the physical display size increasing (which was by originally by design, to keep scale for icons, touch points, layouts etc., the same). Sounds you want both an increase is PPI _and_ resolution (not unlike the 6+/6S+).
 
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What exactly is exciting about this release and how have these new details nullified people's complaints that they're releasing the same phone? We're talking about a bump in processor speed, 1GB more + dual cameras on one model, improved water resistance, new colors, a new 256GB option, and improved color accuracy. You think this list is going to get people excited?

You haven't seen all of the posts that say "well now I'm excited!" or "now we're talking!" ??? ...
 
So those are the amazing new features that required dropping the most ubiquitous connector in consumer electronics? :rolleyes:
Oh, but the stereo sound!!!

("When the device is held in the landscape position")

Should be a big hit with the MicroCephalic.
 
I need to upgrade my phone every year to keep the phone running smoothly. Back when phones had proprietary software


iPhones are the things I used to day dream of when I was 5 years old. When I watched movies like Back to the Future 2 I wanted things to be like they are today. And now they are. My first iPhone was the 5s and that had better specs than the computer we had at the time. It was an old BUDGET custom built from 6 years before. Single core, 32-bit, 2 gigs of ram, 32 gig hard drive. Then I was carrying around a computer in my pocket that had a dual core chip, it had a billion transistors, it could take 10 pictures a second. It was a dream come true.


People are never satisfied, you're right.

Yeah I agree. it is dispiriting how much people complain about the minutiae of things... devices and concepts which were miraculous a few years before, and downright impossible a few years before that.
It is not necessary to be totally convinced by every facet of every smartphone, but sometimes to take a step back and marvel that we are the first people in history who have access to the knowledge of humanity literally at our fingertips, can watch any movie anytime anywhere, can take a pic of our children and send it to their grandparents in seconds, and so much more besides. And yet so many people complain about bezels, PPI, etc.
As you say: People are never satisfied.
Which is often a good thing as it drives us forward to newer devices and possibilities, but i wonder: do people actually enjoy the possibilities they possess right now? I certainly do. I find it healthier and basically more fun to be positive rather than grumble any moan.
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Oh yeah. You're so right. So much to apologize for:
New Apple A10 chip
Storage capacities of 32 GB, 128 GB, and 256 GB
Five color options
IPX7 water resistance
Next Gen Audio jack
Earpiece receiver to become a speaker
3D-Touch click-less home button
Dual-lens rear camera on the iPhone 7 Plus
Upgraded rear camera flash
Possible upgraded proximity sensor
FeliCa NFC support


I mean; right??
The only things they left off were:
Scratchable screen.
Slow as s**t.
Exploding battery.

When is Blu Ray finally coming to the iPhone ?
 
Normally I don't chime in on these types of threads but...what sort of things do you expect to be put into a new phone? Lets mention Samsung for example. For how long have galaxy phones all looked about the same? Yet Apple makes a similar design and all of your heads explode. It's going to be a great upgrade and a gorgeous phone like always, and you'll probably buy it too. It's no different than any other year.

Apple puts a lot of time and thought into making things work well, not just throwing stuff together quickly because people might want some new feature. I for one appreciate that because then my phone works without lag and a bunch of garbage eating my battery. If they gave you every single thing you wanted you'd have android.

The biggest issue I have with the design is the wasted space especially on Plus models. Instead of trying to make a phone as trim as possible to hold a 5.5" screen they just simply enlarged the 4.7" model and called it good. Yes it's thin, but it's bulky. I ended up with a Note 7 because I refuse to have a small screen phone, but the Plus is just an inefficient design. It feels massive compared to most of the other phablets on the market. You can't tell me Apple couldn't come up with a more efficient design. Even if it was slightly thicker, cutting that bezel down would help a lot.

I know there are tons of jokes about the recalled Note 7, but I'm really liking mine and will wait for my new replacement. If you compare the style and efficiency of design between the Note 7 and the Plus there is no comparison.

Apple would be fine to continue this design if it was a good one, but in the case of the Plus models they really need an overhaul. I'll consider an iPhone once they offer a trim large screen model. Until then I'll enjoy my 5.7" Note which is actually quite a bit trimmer then the 5.5" Plus.
 
Is that really considered innovative?
A phone without bezels that still retains all the existing conveniences like touch ID? Yup, I'd call that innovative, given that nobody has managed to build it yet. If they want to really blow me away, make a foldable phone. :p
 
"universal standard across laptops, automobiles, desktops, music players, stereos, mobile phones, tablets, even in-seat audio jacks on most passenger airlines" Hope you will be fine with your BT headset

Oh let's just take that list shall we:

1) Laptops -- have BT radios

2) Automobiles -- new ones have BT radios, old ones can be retrofitted with inexpensive BT dongles

3) Desktops -- have BT radios

4) Music Players -- iPod Touch & Nano have had BT radios. Wouldn't be surprised to see the shuffle get an upgrade too, once they make room by removing the 3.5mm headphone jack. Who uses anything else? And why should Apple care if they do?

5) Stereos -- most modern receivers have had BT for several years now, some even have wifi. See #2 Automobile above for older stereos.

6) Mobile Phones -- have BT radios

7) Tablets -- have BT radios

8) In-seat audio jacks on most passenger airlines -- well there you got me. Looks like you'll have to pack a pair of wired headphones along with the dozen other things you'll need for your digital equipment on that trip, which you're probably doing anyway because that's the only place you use your noise canceling headphones -- or just use the cheap pair the airlines give you for free. If you insist on using your wireless BT headphones, I refer you to #2, Automobile above for the most convenient method that doesn't require you to unplug your headphones in order to let the window seat passenger out to go to the bathroom. However, I would encourage anyone buying a a pair of BT headphones to get one with a detachable cable for use with 3.5mm jacks when the battery runs out. In the future it will likely be hard to find a BT headphone without a detachable cable.
 
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