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[Mac 128]

Without wireless charging, if your headphones are plugged into the charging port, I fail to see how you could charge while listening. Not that it matters, it seems like a non-issue to me.

Seriously? How? Whatever your opinion on the subject, Apple is already doing this with the HDMI adapter, and more closely related, the battery case for the 6s. Check them out. At a minimum, it's a simple upgrade to the Lightning cable they already include in the box. This isn't rocket surgery yet those opposed to the jack removal have made it key issue, despite the fact it makes no logical sense.

Not quite universal. My car from 2000 (Honda Insight) didn't feature any sort of audio input. My car from 10 year later (Toyota Prius) does have 3.5mm audio input, but it also has a USB input, so of course I would use the lightning cable to listen to music and charge at the same time. My car from 2015 (Toyota Highlander) has 3.5mm and USB, and also Bluetooth audio.

My next car will be a 2018 Tesla Model 3. I expect it to have USB and Bluetooth, but not 3.5mm audio. I think I read that the Model S doesn't come with 3.5mm audio input jacks.

I rented a car recently in a remote area. It was older and didn't have BT or USB, but it did have a 3.5mm input. I use BT & USB in my car, and every other car I travel in. So I had to find a convenience store to buy a charger, which they had, and a 3.5mm male-to-male cable, which they didn't. They did ironically have a rack full of Lightning accessories.

There is no evidence because there is no evidence. I would actually wager it is the single most used port on this planet - it's one of the few ports that is international and its on nearly all consumer electronics items that relate to sound: game console controller, tv, laptop, tablet, stereo, smartphone, pda, some cameras even have it, ATMs have it for the hearing impaired, airline seat, car headunit. Just sitting in my living room right now I can see 8 3.5mm ports (2 iphones, 2 laptops, 2 xbox controllers, 1 tv, 1 amp).

Yet despite your unsupported claim, this contradicts that for the iPhone:

http://www.macnn.com/articles/16/01...o.ask.apple.shoppers.what.they.thought.131986

This is where I disagree completely. It may well go away on mobile devices but there are so many other electronic devices that use it that I don't see changing to anything else anytime soon and the ones that do are not going to go lightning. Possibly USB-c on some devices but things like stereos, tv, airplanes, stationary audio devices to name just a few, will keep the standard audio jack. There's simply no need to remove it from a lot of devices. Even on PCs there's really no point because there's plenty of space and there's no need for a change.

I just got a brand new Denon receiver, and right there on the front is 1/4" headphone jack for which I no longer have anything to plug into, nor am I likely ever

Chances are that if you buy any sleek new set of wired headphones, the cable will be detachable. The Headphone manufacturers may even begin including both 3.5mm and lightning cables in the box. The only thing you can't do is charge your phone while using wired headphones, which sounds like a flustercuck anyway. The horror...

I would have given you a "Like" for this if not for the last part. Please stop saying charging while listening isn't possible, no matter what you think of the practice, as nothing could be further from the truth.

However, I agree 100% that all but the cheapest headphones will come with detachable cables. The reason this will happen is because Apple only represents a potential market of 1 Billion customers. The rest of the world not using Lightning represents billions more. For a headphone maker it doesn't make sense to make several models of the same digital equipped headphones for which the only difference is the connector attached to it. Far easier to make one set of headphones with hybrid port, and either manufacture separate cables, or let a third party make the cables. Cheap convenience store headphones won't be worth investing that kind of money into. They'll be hanging with Lightning cables at the truck stops.

 

[Tompkinson]

See that is also a problem, shower head manufacturers should include a 3.5mm audio jack, what are those clowns thinking

Absolutely!

If you are in the shower, do you have a prelease iPhone 7 with improved waterproofing? I love the guy who posted earlier that the iPhone 7 will result in more Facebook and Twitter posts from the shower.

Yes, I liked the facebooktwitter post too.
Personally: I don't use devices in the shower, I dictate my from behind the shower curtain to one of four commissioners of the Telecommunication Standardisation Sector (one of the three sectors (divisions or units) of the International Telecommunication Union). They are with me at all times, making sure there are sufficient 3,5 sockets wherever I might find myself.

 

[Fatboy71]

I can remember when Apple removed the 32 GB option from the lineup a few years back and made the 64 GB the mid storage model, that the 64 GB model kept the same price as the 32 GB model had previously.

I’m hoping Apple will do this, this time around. So that would make the 32 GB the same price as the 16 GB was previously. And the 128 GB the same price as the 64 GB model was.

I normally get the 64 GB model and have around 27 GB remaining. I would be pretty pissed off if I had the get the 128 GB model for an extra cost, for storage I wouldn’t even use

Be interesting to see what the dark black and the glossy piano black will look like (that's if the glossy piano black happens). My only concern with the piano black would be that the glossy finish, might make it more slippy than the other finishes and also, more of a finger print magnet. Nice to have more choice of colours though.

 

[jotwee]

There have been numerous articles posted over the past few months talking about the rumor of Apple removing the 3.5mm jack. If you look back at those articles, the numbers of responses are astounding and the vast majority of responses are from people furious about the potential (probably imminent) 3.5mm jack removal.

The 3.5mm jack is a universal standard across laptops, automobiles, desktops, music players, stereos, mobile phones, tablets, even in-seat audio jacks on most passenger airlines. Removing this standard is a complete slap in the face to millions of consumers who have spent a lot of money on high quality headphones, earbuds, speakers, etc. that all use the 3.5mm standard.

I know people love to compare removing the 3.5mm jack to eliminating the old floppy or CD, but those were upgrades to new standards embraced by the entire computer industry as a move forward in technology and convenience.

If removed, Apple will have taken away a reliable open standard, replacing it with their proprietary standard, and I'm confident virtually no other equipment manufacture will ever embrace Lightning (I'm not talking about headset/earbud manufactures, I'm talking about other desktop, laptop, tablet, stereo, phone, automobile, music player, and aircraft manufactures). You are never going to see widespread acceptance of Lightning on other devices.

With this potential bonehead decision Apple does not move us forward, they lock us into a standard they control/own and move us away from the mainstream into a segregated solution that is not even available on Apple’s own computer line ... which coincidently uses the 3.5mm audio jack.

So what might Apple give us in return, maybe they shave a faction of a millimeter (bid deal) from the phone's thickness, and/or maybe we get a second (or better) speaker because they want us to believe we need some kind of so-called “stereo sound”. It’s pathetic!

Give us back the 3.5mm jack and keep your second/improved speaker. We don’t need a so-called stereo in our pockets.

Jesus Christ, just buy something else...

 

[deany]

Without wireless charging, if your headphones are plugged into the charging port, I fail to see how you could charge while listening. Not that it matters, it seems like a non-issue to me.

The "AirBuds" may well be like the apple pencil so charge super quick.
Thats why my feeling is apple will include free "AirBuds" fast charge rather than the plug in lightning.
Unless the adapter was a Y adapter but I dont think apple will supply that.
My money is on
• Free fast charge "AirBuds"
• Free 3.5mm adapter.

Apple want us to go wireless - unless we are audiophiles and they have that well covered.

 

[calzon65]

Absolutely!



Yes, I liked the facebooktwitter post too.
Personally: I don't use devices in the shower, I dictate my from behind the shower curtain to one of four commissioners of the Telecommunication Standardisation Sector (one of the three sectors (divisions or units) of the International Telecommunication Union). They are with me at all times, making sure there are sufficient 3,5 sockets wherever I might find myself.

OMG, I just laughed so hard I spit coke all over my keyboard LOL

 

[Tompkinson]

Hey!
Where on the iPhone7 can we connect these?
I absolutely must be able to connect this!!!
It is vital!!!

 

[Jd.johnson1]

Seriously? How? Whatever your opinion on the subject, Apple is already doing this with the HDMI adapter, and more closely related, the battery case for the 6s. Check them out. At a minimum, it's a simple upgrade to the Lightning cable they already include in the box. This isn't rocket surgery yet those opposed to the jack removal have made it key issue, despite the fact it makes no logical sense.

I'm not opposed to the jack removal, but again, if headphones are plugged into the lightning port, how can a charger be simultaneously plugged into the same port? Are the headphones going to charge the phone?

 

[Tycho24]

I agree, but a serious question: is the 3,5mm plug really the standard in all the pro gear? I have been in countless studios over the years, the quality headphones all seem to employ the larger plugs (quarter inch?) if recall correctly?

A VERY valid point!!!
Studios & high-end equipment manufacturers have been loathe to even switch from the 1/4" to the 1/8" (3.5mm), despite increasing popularity offer the last few decades. They GREATLY prefer to use adapters between those two, which is not an issue, causes no audio loss, and nullifies any worries about compatibility.
Now imagine that all audio equipment changed in the 90's to USB 1 & spent hundreds of millions as an industry replacing every single piece of equipment & scrapping all the stuff that worked PERFECTLY, but had a slightly different plug... then they did that again for USB 2, again for USB 3/3.1, again for USB C, and along the way- some manufacturers decided to use various versions of FireWire & Thunderbolt, and Lighting as well.
Sound pleasant?
Exactly. That's why the 3.5mm jack is in ZERO danger of being replaced in studio equipment with a lightning connection or a USB-C connection. It makes FAR more sense to use an adapter in those situations where someone has a consumer device that perhaps does have one of those connections.

 

[garylapointe]

All I had to plug in was my Lightning cable, and the BT would connect automatically when I turned on the ignition. This made short trips a joy, since my iPhone would just pick up where I left off from the previous trip, without even plugging in anything!! That one $20 purchase changed my life.

The charging thing with headphones won't be a problem. At a minimum there will be something as simple and inelegant as a "Y" splitter you'll be able to pick up 5/$10.

Changed your life? My life is different than yours... Two cables is not that much harder than one...

My charger doesn't turn on and off so I have to turn it on (not automagically) and charge the bluetooth adaptor, and the two different BT handsfree units I tried if I charged while using then there was a bit of static. It was pretty good the 9/10 times it worked fine, it's that 1 out of 10 time that I had to screw around with it instead of driving that was the annoying part, the wire worked...

Care to share your specific model?

'a "Y" splitter you'll be able to pick up 5/$10.'? That's pretty cheap. I'll be pretty happy with that, please be sure to not disappoint me!

20% thicker is not likely to improve the battery beyond the point that people will stop complaining about battery life. So it's kind of moot.

As for your other wish list items, I could go through them one by one, and explain how I don't use them the way you do and we'd have a draw -- your needs vs. mine. What Apple is doing is catering to largest common denominator. How else could a business as large as Apple do it?

So that battery life is NOT a complaint is the whole point! It's not moot!!

No you don't use it the same as me, but battery life, headphone jack, camera bump has been a constant complaint of others. And one of those hasn't even happened yet...

And the other features, you probably wouldn't complain if there are there (just like all the other features that you don't use that are in there already). The (opposite) logic that people would use is that since they put in the extra large battery, there was room for these extras so we did it; not we want to make it smaller so we took out the huge headphone jack...

 

[SockRolid]

When is this site officially renaming itself to Ming-Chi Kuo rumors?

Just after this site officially renames itself to Gene Munster rumors.
(Hint - never.)

 

[Rigby]

What would you consider innovation in phone design? Curved screen? All glass? No bezel?

No bezel would actually be great. The iPhones are too big for the screen size they have, IMO. Also, it'd be nice if they could design a case that doesn't feel like a slippery piece of soap in your hands. You know, a little less "form over function".

People complain but never really say what they want (except the impossible).

You're welcome.

 

[BorderingOn]

But apple has always been proprietary. Lightening/30 pin instead of USB. MagSafe instead of whatever pcs use. DisplayPort/thunderbolt instead of vga/hdmi. You have always had to buy adaptors to link in to the real world with apple. They have always done their own thing and have never suffered because of it.

Um, my MacBook has HDMI and my Dell work laptop is connected to its external monitor via DisplayPort.

 

[JustMadeThisNameUp]

And why do people need to upgrade their phone every year?

I need to upgrade my phone every year to keep the phone running smoothly. Back when phones had proprietary software

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This bitching how this is gonna be a boring update is getting really old. People are just never satisfied...

iPhones are the things I used to day dream of when I was 5 years old. When I watched movies like Back to the Future 2 I wanted things to be like they are today. And now they are. My first iPhone was the 5s and that had better specs than the computer we had at the time. It was an old BUDGET custom built from 6 years before. Single core, 32-bit, 2 gigs of ram, 32 gig hard drive. Then I was carrying around a computer in my pocket that had a dual core chip, it had a billion transistors, it could take 10 pictures a second. It was a dream come true.

But because it looked like the iPhone 5, people complained. They complain every year that the phones aren't innovative but they think innovation means something different. But if Apple made a round iPhone those same people would freak out. And what's going to happen next year? We're going to get a edge-to-edge phone screen. Something we've seen in concept videos for years, but people will just complain that they're ripping off Samsung.

People are never satisfied, you're right.

 

[bbbb4b]

The Apple apologists in here... They are just crazy.

Oh yeah. You're so right. So much to apologize for:
New Apple A10 chip
Storage capacities of 32 GB, 128 GB, and 256 GB
Five color options
IPX7 water resistance
Next Gen Audio jack
Earpiece receiver to become a speaker
3D-Touch click-less home button
Dual-lens rear camera on the iPhone 7 Plus
Upgraded rear camera flash
Possible upgraded proximity sensor
FeliCa NFC support

I mean; right??
The only things they left off were:
Scratchable screen.
Slow as s**t.
Exploding battery.

 

[BaltimoreMediaBlog]

With all due respect to David Letterman, BUT WILL IT FLOAT?

And with no respect to Samsung, WILL IT EXPLODE?

 

[Mw0103]

Removing the headphone jack = #jackoffgate

In all seriousness, though; I welcome our new wireless overlords. I have a 12" . . .

MacBook, and it turns out I never plug anything into it besides the charging cable. The quicker they develop wireless everything including charging, the better as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Rogifan]

No bezel would actually be great. The iPhones are too big for the screen size they have, IMO. Also, it'd be nice if they could design a case that doesn't feel like a slippery piece of soap in your hands. You know, a little less "form over function".

Is that really considered innovative? I get the feeling people don't even know what they mean when they use the word innovative or innovation. It's just another word for I wish Apple would do something different than what they're currently doing.

 

[JayLenochiniMac]

Be interesting to see what the dark black and the glossy piano black will look like (that's if the glossy piano black happens). My only concern with the piano black would be that the glossy finish, might make it more slippy than the other finishes and also, more of a finger print magnet. Nice to have more choice of colours though.

You've never had the black iPhone 4 or 4s, which is glossy piano black (although it's glass)?

 

[Mac 128]

The "AirBuds" may well be like the apple pencil so charge super quick.
Thats why my feeling is apple will include free "AirBuds" fast charge rather than the plug in lightning.
Unless the adapter was a Y adapter but I dont think apple will supply that.
My money is on
• Free fast charge "AirBuds"
• Free 3.5mm adapter.

Apple want us to go wireless - unless we are audiophiles and they have that well covered.

There still needs to be a way to fast charge the airbuds when out and about. My money is on a magnetic inductive cable that can be attached when the battery is low which will also allowed wired listening. A "Y" adapter is not need. Please see the pass through Lighting port on Apple's battery case for the 6s.

I'm not opposed to the jack removal, but again, if headphones are plugged into the lightning port, how can a charger be simultaneously plugged into the same port? Are the headphones going to charge the phone?

As I pointed out on other threads, Apple is already solving this with various dongles and the battery case for the 6s.

As for the headphones charging the phone? Yes. That could happen. Beats already has a 3.5mm passthrough for sharing audio with friends. I am expecting Beats to have a USB-C port on one side, and a Lightning port on the other. They might have a 3.5mm jack as well, but I sort of doubt it. They will come with one USB-C to Lightning cable to charge and listen. That cable can be flipped around for use on a retina MacBook. Or, the Lightning charging cable that came with the iPhone can be plugged into the headphones Lightning port and charge the iPhone via the headphones.

A VERY valid point!!!
Studios & high-end equipment manufacturers have been loathe to even switch from the 1/4" to the 1/8" (3.5mm), despite increasing popularity offer the last few decades. They GREATLY prefer to use adapters between those two, which is not an issue, causes no audio loss, and nullifies any worries about compatibility.
Now imagine that all audio equipment changed in the 90's to USB 1 & spent hundreds of millions as an industry replacing every single piece of equipment & scrapping all the stuff that worked PERFECTLY, but had a slightly different plug... then they did that again for USB 2, again for USB 3/3.1, again for USB C, and along the way- some manufacturers decided to use various versions of FireWire & Thunderbolt, and Lighting as well.
Sound pleasant?
Exactly. That's why the 3.5mm jack is in ZERO danger of being replaced in studio equipment with a lightning connection or a USB-C connection. It makes FAR more sense to use an adapter in those situations where someone has a consumer device that perhaps does have one of those connections.

I have never been in a recording studio that didn't have a cable or adapter for whatever equipment I needed to plug in, including power for any common device of the day.

 

[Jd.johnson1]

I would have given you a "Like" for this if not for the last part. Please stop saying charging while listening isn't possible, no matter what you think of the practice, as nothing could be further from the truth.

However, I agree 100% that all but the cheapest headphones will come with detachable cables. The reason this will happen is because Apple only represents a potential market of 1 Billion customers. The rest of the world not using Lightning represents billions more. For a headphone maker it doesn't make sense to make several models of the same digital equipped headphones for which the only difference is the connector attached to it. Far easier to make one set of headphones with hybrid port, and either manufacture separate cables, or let a third party make the cables. Cheap convenience store headphones won't be worth investing that kind of money into. They'll be hanging with Lightning cables at the truck stops.

Again I might be missing something, but how can you charge the phone while headphones are plugged into the charging port?

 

[B4U]

Removing the jack just to make stereo speakers?
My old old Sony Ericsson W760 had that...
What a poor excuse to get rid of that audio jack

 

[Mac 128]

Changed your life? My life is different than yours... Two cables is not that much harder than one...

My charger doesn't turn on and off so I have to turn it on (not automagically) and charge the bluetooth adaptor, and the two different BT handsfree units I tried if I charged while using then there was a bit of static. It was pretty good the 9/10 times it worked fine, it's that 1 out of 10 time that I had to screw around with it instead of driving that was the annoying part, the wire worked...

Care to share your specific model?

'a "Y" splitter you'll be able to pick up 5/$10.'? That's pretty cheap. I'll be pretty happy with that, please be sure to not disappoint me!



So that battery life is NOT a complaint is the whole point! It's not moot!!

No you don't use it the same as me, but battery life, headphone jack, camera bump has been a constant complaint of others. And one of those hasn't even happened yet...

And the other features, you probably wouldn't complain if there are there (just like all the other features that you don't use that are in there already). The (opposite) logic that people would use is that since they put in the extra large battery, there was room for these extras so we did it; not we want to make it smaller so we took out the huge headphone jack...

The BT adapter I use is an MPOW I ordered from Amazon. And yes, I bought a pack of 3 iPhone charging cubes for $10 recently ... I've seen as many as 5 for that price. I can't imagine the same won't happen with Lightning audio accessories.

I agree the concern about charging and listening is more valid for some than others, the point is Apple is already doing it with other products they offer, so it's not a huge leap in logic to figure out Apple will offer a way to do it. The least attractive option being a bulky "Y" adapter, but still a solution.

 

[Tompkinson]

Exactly. That's why the 3.5mm jack is in ZERO danger of being replaced in studio equipment with a lightning connection or a USB-C connection. It makes FAR more sense to use an adapter in those situations where someone has a consumer device that perhaps does have one of those connections.

Yes, you make a strong case, and may very well be correct about the 3,5mm situation in pro studios etc; but I believe that the main discussion here is about whether the new generation of smartphones require a 3,5mm or not.
And here it will be interesting to see if and how fast people adapt to a new situation.
I myself spent a fortune on firewire stuff for video editing, and apple constantly irritated me with their decisions 400, 800, removal.
But times move and stuff gets easier to use and more reliable. At first Firewire seemed a dream come true, but now i look back on 'dropped frames', 'camera connection lost', cables broken in transport... Today a big SD or CF card and all is much better than it was.
Obviously the 3,5mm situation is not analogous (pun intended), people are not suffering under headphone signal problems. but if apple decide to slay it: let's see where the journey takes us.
Personally: I prefer fewer cables over more cables. but each to his or her own.

 

[calzon65]

Nobody will use there headphones while charging phone even they have 3.5 audio Jack.. it's dangerous to use it DEVICE while chargeing

Dude just look through all the posts on all the different articles. I think its very safe to say thousands if not millions people power their device (iPhone or iPad) with some kind of audio device plugged in. This has nothing to do with the argument of 3.5mm versus Lighting, this is a common practice for a huge percentage of users all over the world.

You are dead wrong to say that "Nobody will use their headphones while charging".