iPhone 7 to Include Five Colors, IPX7 Water Resistance, Dual 12MP Cameras on Plus Model

[Abazigal]

I respectfully disagree. I think 3.5mm will go away and really fast pretty soon. Just like Vinil, which I think we agree that does have superior audio quality. Honestly, it is pretty ridiculous as it is having wires tangling around to listen audio. Wireless should be the way.

I think an analogy can be drawn with Flash.

Left on its own, flash would probably still be thriving today. But Apple went to block flash for its own reasons, and its market share and influence was enough to get the key stakeholders to abandon flash in favour of the standards that Apple championed. Today, flash is a shadow of its former self.

Same here. If nobody did anything, we may well still be using the 3.5 MM jack a hundred years from today. But Apple clearly has other plans up their sleeve. Depending on how far Apple pushes for this, and depending on how the other OEMs and the consumers react, the headphone jack may not disappear, but it will probably not be the dominant and ubiquitous standard it is today.

Time to see if Apple still has it in them to influence the adoption and discarding of standards.

 

[appledefenceforce]

Because we can? But on a less snooty response, people like to have the latest and greatest. If they're able to have it, why not? Some people run businesses and their entire lives on their phones (I personally know 2 people who run their business from their phones 90% of the time) so why not make sure you have the most powerful device to be as efficient and able as possible.

LOL keep deluding yourself.

 

[44267547]

Yeah... Tell people moving to competitors is great advice.

No matter how wonderful this iPhone is. It is not worth to upgrade. There is nothing new and exciting feature. You don't even know how well does this dual camera setup works.

And no 3.5mm jack is big no to me. I will use my iPhone SE as long as possible.

Which is why your negativity is nothing more than an opinion at best. A lot of Forum members have commented on how they are looking forward to upgrade, including myself.

There is nothing exciting? Says who? You? I disagree. Why does everything have to be exciting or have the latest and greatest? iPhone's just work and their are plenty of new features their Adding. I feel this is solid upgrade in terms of internal enhancements.

Your comment on the dual camera set up is evident that no one knows how the dual camera Operates as of yet. Or were you going to say this is not exciting either?

The only positive thing in your post is the SE, which is a great phone.

 

[appledefenceforce]

I don't know about the rest of you, but I would be worried about that piano black..... Unless that color is a very hard coating over the aluminum it will no doubt be very easy to scratch. It will look very nice new though... Almost like a single sheet of glass.

If people don't complain about the glass back of Galaxy phones getting scratched AND cracked easily, I don't think this will be a problem. But you're right, since this is Apple the media will blow it out of proportion and have Apple on a stick.

 

[Abazigal]

Not sure what that has to do with anything. Airplay is a protocol to stream audio and video over IP networks. Apple has never used it to stream audio to headphones (because it would be very inefficient in terms of battery life).

And because there was never a need to do so before.

Software can be refined or modified. After all, iOS was a derivative of OS X. I won't be surprised if the AirPlay protocol could be modified to get a more power efficient variant meant to work only with audio.

It may not even be AirPlay in any shape or form, but I wouldn't be surprised if Apple took inspiration from there.

 

[44267547]

Nobody else is stoked over the dual cam? That's the only new thing that could get me to upgrade. We'll see how IQ is, if it blows away the competition then I'm in. If it's only incrementally better than the 6 series cam then I'll be surprised.

Huge fail on the 4.7" display remaining at such a low resolution. It should definitely be at 1920x1080 and the 5.5" should probably be at 4K for pixel perfect viewing of 4K video. Some will argue that it doesn't matter because at x inches away the human eye blah blah blah. So view it closer or use it in a VR kit like Google cardboard.

Conversely, awesome news about the wider color gamut. It's unfortunate that they are going with odd standards instead of just adopting Adobe RGB. Without a universal standard it's hard to see wide gamut content become ubiquitous anytime soon.

Will the image processor be capable of 4K 60fps video? Or is it even practical given how little storage there is?

A10 will probably stun, as it seems every new Apple SOC does, but I don't believe the cited frequency. We'll see.

The dummy speaker grill is a huge fail, a schlocky design shortcut, really just a way to make people think there is some benefit to removal of the audio jack. Obviously there is no audio jack because Apple own Beats and can cash in on Lightning headphone sales. It wasn't long ago that such a sleazy move would have been beneath Apple.

Water resistance is another huge feature, bigger than a new case design IMO and worthy of a new number series designation. For active users it's enough to justify an upgrade. Now make the iPhone 2017 physically durable and we won't have to handle our pocket computers like delicate flowers.

You are correct about the dummy speaker. If true, not the wisest move. Unless Apple has something in store we are not aware of yet. I guess the dummy Speaker at worst, hosts the microphone.

I do think the stereo speaker concept will be interesting with one speaker at the top and bottom. Could be useful for those who use their speakerphone like I do a lot for calls and so forth.

 

[Sunny1990]

Abandoning the 16GB model had
To happen this year. With 4K, Live Photo's, music and software updates, 16 GB is not enough anymore. I too will be purchasing the 4.7 iPhone 7,32 GB in black. See you on preorder day.

What the hell 32 GB!!? why? I thought you will be buying top of the line,anyway i am also buying matt black regular (if it comes out) later this year

 

[Karma*Police]

I don't have any of the warped content or glare issues your talking about. How many hours have you used a Galaxy edge style screen? Now I'll grant you the phone is slippery and not the best for holding, but in a thin Tech 21 case it's not an issue at all.

I expect everyone that says a thin bezel is a bad idea to completely change their mind once Apple introduces a thinner bezel to their phones. It then will be wonderful and revolutionary. That's the way it always works around here. Just wait and see.

The warped text and images and the glare along the sides are the first thing I noticed when I picked one up and I knew right then that I didn't want one.

If Apple introduced a wraparound display and their execution were exactly the same as Samsung's, yes, some people here will still change their minds and it will all of a sudden become the greatest thing since sliced bread, but I won't be one of them.

However, I'd be shocked if Apple's approach weren't more thoughtful and useful. Even the rumors are saying that Apple will have a faux bezel, for example, and use 3D Touch so that you can squeeze the sides to perform some kind of action with physical feedback via the Taptic Engine.

 

[newyorksole]

How many of you REALLY listen to music and charge at the same time? On a regular basis? Probably not a lot. And if you do, big deal. Just use an adapter and call it a day. Life goes on...

 

[sk1wbw]

They will probably be copying Samsung on several features as time goes on. Waterproofing will be this year, iris scanner next year, and wireless charging after that. Everyone is guilty of copying.

Yeah, but none of that is copying Samsung. Samsung didn't invent any of that, and the Apple Watch already has contact charging. Hell, my toothbrush had that 15 years ago, so that's nothing new on the market.

 

[QuarterSwede]

Not sure what that has to do with anything. Airplay is a protocol to stream audio and video over IP networks. Apple has never used it to stream audio to headphones (because it would be very inefficient in terms of battery life).

I imagine Apple would come up with a new streaming protocol and roll it into AirPlay like they have with Bluetooth (you invoke it the same way as AirPlay). I don't mean it would be using AirPlay's streaming audio over IP. I mean the user wouldn't know the difference.

Personally I'd prefer that they just use AptX but since they have yet to and that protocol has been around for quite a while I doubt they'll start now.

 

[itsboi]

I'm curious about the display as it will be adopting the same technology as the 9.7 iPad Pro. Does this mean the iPhone will have one of the most color accurate displays in a smartphone despite being LCD? I'm wondering how it stacks up to Samsung's OLED.

"the smaller iPad Pro has retaken the throne. 'It is visually indistinguishable from perfect, and is very likely considerably better than any mobile display, monitor, TV or UHD TV that you have,' Soneira wrote."

http://www.macworld.com/article/305...-visually-indistinguishable-from-perfect.html

 

[Sunny1990]

Piano black alone is enough for me to upgrade from my 6 Plus. I've never liked the space gray color option on the 6/6S.

Yeah do a simple trick,paint your current iPhone 6 plus in piano black(if only color matters to you why waste $$ on new one when you can do it on lot less)and boom!!you are good to go,nobody gonna say that you have a old iPhone 6 plus,anyway apple is also doing the same things

 

[bbbb4b]

A long list of incremental, non-innovative feature improvements doesn't suddenly make the product innovative or worthwhile. Look at the items you listed there. Color options, removal of audio jack, earpiece that becomes a speaker. I mean, really? Steve Jobs would never walk on stage and do product presentation with a list this lightweight.

Doesn't have to be (your definition of) "innovative". I mean; nobody else is. So who cares. You don't have to be faster than the bear; you just have to be faster than the other guy. Apple has that in spades.

But here; just for you; a photo of the tremendous innovative changes from the last Galaxy to the latest and greatest:

Amaaaaaaazing!

 

[producer26]

Why? He's pretty much right on every year.

Maybe on iPhones.On other stuff, either it's way too predictable and you could guess that by yourself or his guessing are kind of "this model will be white, but there is a chance we'll finally see it black" so again he will be 90% correct.I don't doubt that he may be a good rumor predictor , but i'm really going crazy with macrumors title each time he speaks.It's like "the great Mumbadulla al koula naan harr came down from the mountain and has something to say"

 

[44267547]

What the hell 32 GB!!? why? I thought you will be buying top of the line,anyway i am also buying matt black regular (if it comes out) later this year

32 GB will suit me fine. I don't download a lot of applications. Maybe 64 GB if they offer it.

 

[bbbb4b]

Case in point ^^
You are exactly what I am describing. Sad.

Yeah you are sad.
Enjoy your flaming backside. Recommend trying a little Noxzema.

 

[Abazigal]

A long list of incremental, non-innovative feature improvements doesn't suddenly make the product innovative or worthwhile. Look at the items you listed there. Color options, removal of audio jack, earpiece that becomes a speaker. I mean, really? Steve Jobs would never walk on stage and do product presentation with a list this lightweight.

I see a solid list of refinements and improvements in line with what we have been getting with the iPhone every year. Maybe not worth an upgrade over the 6S but still a substantial list for people coming from the 6 or 5s.

The 5s got just the A7 processor, improved camera, fingerprint sensor and step counter and people were okay with that.

That's what the iPhone user base wants and appreciates.

 

[44267547]

From a fairness perspective, Ming-Chi needs to give it a rest. The list of new features has grown so large that it exceeds any reasonable use of the standardized list of MR criticisms. People don't want to be hypocritical and lack innovation like Apple, but you and other leakers have pushed folks to the brink with so many improvements leaking. How many times can folks be expected to respond with "meh," "I don't see any reason to upgrade," "Apple isn't innovating anymore," "without a headphone jack, I'll never buy another iPhone," "Steve was a visionary, Tim only cares about money," "meh," "It's only because Jony Ive wants it thinner; "Time for Cook, Cue, Ive to go," "Apple doesn't care about its customers anymore," "Android already did this," "Apple is in decline," "only the fanboys will like this," "Where are the new MacBooks!"

Ming-Kuo Needs to give it a rest? He apparently has inside connections with manufacturers and suppliers. He is fairly accurate, not perfect, but He is a regular source for Macrumors and other various sites.

And for those who make the cheap, shoddy Apple comments are hating for their own personal reasons. That can't be controlled one way or the other.

 

[MacHead84]

I only wish that the new IPhone will have the same super camera as the Galaxy 7.

 

[iThingsGurl]

I have a Note 7 in my hand right now and I'm not concerned at all. I'll get it replaced soon with a new one. I'm waiting on Apple to release a large screen phone that looks as nice and modern as my Note 7.

Suppose you have kids, will you let your kids play with Note 7 for long hours now that you know about it?

 

[calzon65]

I think an analogy can be drawn with Flash.

Left on its own, flash would probably still be thriving today. But Apple went to block flash for its own reasons, and its market share and influence was enough to get the key stakeholders to abandon flash in favour of the standards that Apple championed. Today, flash is a shadow of its former self.

Same here. If nobody did anything, we may well still be using the 3.5 MM jack a hundred years from today. But Apple clearly has other plans up their sleeve. Depending on how far Apple pushes for this, and depending on how the other OEMs and the consumers react, the headphone jack may not disappear, but it will probably not be the dominant and ubiquitous standard it is today.

Time to see if Apple still has it in them to influence the adoption and discarding of standards.

When computer manufactures abandoned the floppy (yes Apple was a visionary), there was a new standard the manufactures all embraced, we got the CD then the DVD. Consumers had a "new option", but this time there is no new standard. There is Apple's Lighting standard and everyone else.

Trending technology changes are hard to predict but I think if Samsung and the other major Android phone manufacturers (Lenovo, LG, Xiaomi, ZTE, Huawei, Yulong, Alcatel, and Vivo) continue to support 3.5mm, there is a chance Apple's move to abandon 3.5mm could backfire. I doubt Hauwei, ZTE, Samsung, Xiaomi, or any other major Android phone manufacture will ever adopt Lighting. Keep in mind, the Android manufactures built/sold about 280 million phones last year (Samsung alone built/sold over 80 million), Apple built/sold about 60 million. Apple is innovative and sometimes others follow, but Lighting is Apple's proprietary standard and I think the Android manufactures will not follow.

Sadly for consumers, I think the mobile device market will be divided into two camps with two competing audio connection standards. We will see the IOS camp embracing Lighting and the Android camp embracing 3.5mm or some other standard that is not Lighting. It will be like MacOS and Windows, two different standards, two very different camps, and a vicious emotional battle between the two camps.

 

[dilbert99]

Read my above comment. The point I was trying to make was that the 3.5 jack is not going to stick around much longer on any device.

He wouldn't be complaining if the standard port was replaced my a new modern standard port...USB-C

 

[scoobydoo99]

My next car will be a 2018 Tesla Model 3.

Sweet! You'll just have to wait a bit longer than me, since deliveries will start on the West Coast and gradually work eastward!

 

[Mac 128]

"it'll have stereo sound in landscape mode"

how is this happening if the speakers are on one side of the device when held landscape?

The plan is to have the earpiece speaker act as the stereo speaker in landscape mode. I'm not really sure how they can make two very different speakers sound the same, especially when one is facing the listener on the front, and the other is on the side facing away, possible covered by the listeners hand, to say nothing of the different speaker designs required.

I'm all for the earpiece serving double duty, tied to the display sensor so the volume automatically attenuates when lifted to the ear. However, it presents a further problem if they move to a full edge to edge display, in which the speaker is fully behind the glass, turning the entire display into a resonator. While localized sound transmission is possible in such an application, I'm not sure how they would do stereo, or how loud it would be. I'm all for being surprised. If nothing else, it makes much more logical sense to boost the overall volume on the iPhone speakers without removing the headphone jack.

At least they are not seemingly going to be adding a second speaker on the bottom in place of the headphone jack. That's just the worst reason possible to remove it in my estimation. The iPhone speaker has excellent sound as it is, and adding a second speaker in the space available isn't going to improve that much, unless they remove much more than the headphone jack. Stereo would be an absolute farce considering the placement. And, it's not like the blogs and forum are filled with people complaining about the speaker in the iPhone now. If they were, then it might be different. Speakerphone volume was an issue in early iPhones, but it hasn't been a problem in a long time.

I will certainly be disappointed if they end up dropping the headphone jack only to add a second speaker. While I'm all for losing the jack, there really is a time and place, and having a good reason never hurts. But, with Apple's iPhone sales in a slump, and potentially uninspiring model poised to be released, now is not the time, especially if the reason turns out to be a modest speaker improvement, or some stereo useless sound hack.