iPhone 7 to Include Five Colors, IPX7 Water Resistance, Dual 12MP Cameras on Plus Model

[michael31986]

Rumors are that the iPhone 8 will have dual cameras and the 8 plus a triple one

Sarcasm. I just remember Mac rumours saying dual lenses weren't happening. Imo that would be the only huge update from a 6s

 

[newyorksole]

I can't expect Apple to give a strong iPhone 7. It would take a herculean effort for them to catch up to what my current phone offers. Speed isn't everything. I do want to be pleasantly surprised with the iPhone 7 though.

What does your current phone have that you'd want on the iPhone? Just curious.

 

[Mac 128]

I would prefer USB3 over lightning, but I'm actually in the group that wants wireless everything (audio, data, and power). Then the Lightning port can be closed up as well. If that's Apple's aim, then it wouldn't make sense to switch to USB3 on iOS devices for a couple of years and then get rid of it.

This is a good point. And similar to the reason why it doesn't make sense to switch to USB-C for wired connections if it's only going to be for a few more years until the Lightning port is eliminated all together.

However, Lightning is an excellent standard that doesn't need to be replaced for the existing cables and accessories, they will ride out to the changeover without the need for improvement. Why should I pay to upgrade them to USB-C when they'll serve me just fine as is for 3-5 more years?

But I've been struggling with backups and restores on my iPhones and iPads for the last couple of years -- they take forever currently, and it's only going to get worse with 256GB storage. When the iPad Pro was released with Lightning 2, I was very excited for my next iPad and iPhone. But then the 9.7" iPP came out without the L2 port. I really hope that isn't the case with the iPhone, because unlike the existing cables and accessories, a faster port is something I can use now, that will make a difference in my using the iPhone and iPad for the next 3-5 years or however long it takes to switchover to wireless. But I can't imagine why they wouldn't add it to the 9.7" iPP, and then add it to the iPhone. I suppose there's an argument to be made that they weren't ready to implement it yet, so save the cost, but then if they're going to add it later cheat the current users out of being future proofed? Well it wouldn't be the first time.

Frankly, wireless isn't there yet to get rid of the Lightning port, we need a few more years to get faster transfer rates up to match even USB 3.0. Certainly for casual backups, and iCloud transfers, what we have is fine, but with 4K video and 12MP photos, and Live Photos, and lossless audio, and exponentially expanding storage, what we have currently is not going to cut it. An L2 connector would not only improve my user experience, but adding the port is not quite the same as replacing my investment in cables that will work fine for the next 3-5 years, since the port is newly added/created with every new model unit they make. Holding it back because the entire port is going away in the near future doesn't really make sense. One reason does present itself which is since wireless speeds are not likely going to increase beyond USB 3 speeds by the time they drop the port, they don't want to give iPhone users something better than what they'll be left with when the port goes away. Whereas the 12" iPP will likely always have a port since it's the defacto Mac replacement (and I'll bet the 9.7" iPP will be rebranded by the time that happens).

 

[JayLenochiniMac]

The new feature list just shows how far behind Apple has slipped. I knew it would be downhill after Steve but didn't think it would happen this fast. Please prove me wrong Apple.

As opposed to adding just Siri for iPhone 5s and 3D Touch/more RAM for iPhone 6s? Even as a non-S-type update, it's a longer feature list than the iPhone 3G (which included just a new case, 3G connectivity and A-GPS while keeping everything else the same/slow) and Steve was very much alive at the time.

 

[newyorksole]

They may have the best marketing ever created and your summary is all too true. You have to admit, when they came out with their MacBook's unibody enclosure from a single block of aluminum it changed the way people thought of laptops. It made laptops thinner, stronger and more robust and definitely the best looking laptops still today. Now, all you see is other companies trying to make laptops thinner than the macbook's. Every comparison that any company makes is to Apple.

Apple set the standard with MacBooks, All-In-Ones, iPhone, MP3 Players... Many electronics get compared to Apple. Been that way for a while.

 

[doelcm82]

No what would make sense is to perfect wireless, make the perfection of the standard so good that it becomes as ubiquitous as 3.5mm and then deprecate the wired connections.

I agree that if wireless was as good as wired and as ubiquitous as 3.5mm, I'd join that chorus even with the hassle of worrying about another thing to charge. But, in my own experience, wireless is far from as ubiquitous so embracing it now just means being locked out of common opportunities to jack in and hear some audio from something other than Apple and Apple-like technologies.

For example, I travel a lot. When flying, I may indeed be fine listening to something only on my Apple hardware. However, there are times when I might want to jack into live television or watch the in-flight movie. I have not yet flown any major airline with Bluetooth connectivity. There may be 1+ but I have not yet flown it. Instead, the common choices are 3.5mm and USB. Passengers better be able to plug into those OR they 1) do without, 2) have to buy those crappy "temp" headphones sold by the airlines or 3) better have some kind of adapter or wire in the bag.

I can't believe anyone with any real objectively could argue that the airlines will quickly license Lightning from Apple and then quickly install it as a third option on all of their planes. If anything, the traditional USB jack is likely to become a USB3 jack eventually (meaning many years from now).

So for me to embrace "the future" now means doing without or having to carry along adapter(s) vs. a "the present" where one good set of headphones just readily connect with everything I encounter- no adapters required. When "the future" is at least as good as "the present," count me in. Until then, I just can't love this move... Apple-led or not.

Apple rarely waits for "perfection" (as though that's possible) to make a move like this. The iPhone was released without support for Adobe Flash, even though that really limited the usefulness of mobile web browsing. They removed the optical drive when significant numbers of their customers were still using it.

They know that to really make a change happen, you don't make it easy for people to keep doing things the old way.

One way to switch the United States over to the metric system (a superior system in almost every way) is to make cute commercials letting people know how easy the metric system is to use (a gram is about the weight of a raisin, now isn't that amazin'? The meter is a little more than a yard. It's really not so hard.) Then the change will happen...someday...or not ever.

Another way is to make you have to use an adapter to make older equipment work with the new standard. You'll grumble (and grumble and grumble) but soon enough you'll get on board, as headphone makers and airlines and car manufacturers adapt to the new reality.

You may never love the future. But Apple wants to make 3.5mm the past, and then you'll only need to love the present.

 

[BlueMoon63]

The new feature list just shows how far behind Apple has slipped. I knew it would be downhill after Steve but didn't think it would happen this fast. Please prove me wrong Apple.

The best thing to do in all honesty is to switch completely to another brand of everything and enjoy your life. Life is too short to wait 5 plus years after someone dies to keep hoping they prove you wrong. I can't imagine spending that many years hoping a company gets "better" in your eyes. If you don't like Apple, just move on and live.

 

[SMIDG3T]

Well it will be made by Sony.

Yes. I know that. I stand by what I said, it'll take better pictures.

 

[the future]

Nope, the iPhone has had a curved glass for 3 years...unfortunately for Samsung they read the rumors wrong and thought that meant curved display, so they made awkward worthless gimmick phones with curved displays because they thought thats what Apple was doing. When that turned out to be wrong, they were stuck with yet another gimmick with no purpose that they cant back down from.

This. A million times this.

If Apple really put a curved display in the iPhone 8, I will start to worry about the company. But I bet they won't.

 

[9081094]

As an Apple Shareholder, I am very thankful of their profits and superior build and quality still today and everyone is fine to keep topping them on thinness and price because they run Windows or Linux. No thanks...

As a shareholder I would look to invest my money elsewhere since shareholders don't care about Apple customers but like Tim Cook only on profits. I really wish there would come a new CEO with passion for tech and delivering the best. I also would like to see Apple buying back their shares and act like a privately hold company. Shareholders only want to see as much rendement on their money as possible in the shortest period of time.
It's called greed and it's killing companies.

 

[The Game 161]

Imagine for a moment the Galaxy 7 edge wasn't a Samsung phone but an Apple phone with the on it.
I'll bet we would see huge lines in front of the Apple stores.

I'll bet those same people who criticize about oled are flabbergasted by the screen and camera. For me it isn't important if a phone starts apps a tenth of a second faster then the other. Fast is fast these days. You'll be using the screen the most, so that should be top in a premium priced phone, like the rest of the components.

Back to reality... Same old, same old. Yawn.

Because it doesn't run IOS, iMessage, FaceTime, great performance, no lag

If the S7 edge had all this then yeah loads here would buy it. Apple you get great performance with consistent updates and no random lag.

OLED will be amazing on the iPhone next year like it is on the Samsung phones now. Even with OLED you can bet it will still be lightening fast even with a new display.

 

[leroypants]

Really though there's not much of a choice if you want the most current iphone no matter how this makes you feel. It'll be interesting to see the response and how Apple deals with it.

Exactly, a major reason people continue with the iPhone is because they have hundreds or thousands of dollars invested in the Apple ecosystem, if they switched all those investments would go vanish.

 

[BlueMoon63]

Apple set the standard with MacBooks, All-In-Ones, iPhone, MP3 Players... Many electronics get compared to Apple. Been that way for a while.

I know... that was the point. Too much hatred towards apple because they get all the press and people hate that so they want to point fingers and whine about Apple sux or "mine is better/bigger". Microsoft was the same way in the 90's - everyone hated Microsoft. I am mostly surprised at how many non-apple users come to a Apple website and hate on Apple all day long.

 

[doelcm82]

This is a good point. And similar to the reason why it doesn't make sense to switch to USB-C for wired connections if it's only going to be for a few more years until the Lightning port is eliminated all together.

However, Lightning is an excellent standard that doesn't need to be replaced for the existing cables and accessories, they will ride out to the changeover without the need for improvement. Why should I pay to upgrade them to USB-C when they'll serve me just fine as is for 3-5 more years?

But I've been struggling with backups and restores on my iPhones and iPads for the last couple of years -- they take forever currently, and it's only going to get worse with 256GB storage. When the iPad Pro was released with Lightning 2, I was very excited for my next iPad and iPhone. But then the 9.7" iPP came out without the L2 port. I really hope that isn't the case with the iPhone, because unlike the existing cables and accessories, a faster port is something I can use now, that will make a difference in my using the iPhone and iPad for the next 3-5 years or however long it takes to switchover to wireless.

Frankly, wireless isn't there yet to get rid of the Lightning port, we need a few more years to get faster transfer rates up to match even USB 3.0. Certainly for casual backups, and iCloud transfers, what we have is fine, but with 4K video and 12MP photos, and Live Photos, and lossless audio, and exponentially expanding storage, what we have currently is not going to cut it. An L2 connector would not only improve my user experience, but adding the port is not quite the same as replacing my investment in cables that will work fine for the next 3-5 years, since the port is newly added/created with every new model unit they make. Holding it back because the entire port is going away in the near future doesn't really make sense. One reason does present itself which is since wireless speeds are not likely going to increase beyond USB 3 speeds by the time they drop the port, they don't want to give iPhone users something better than what they'll be left with when the port goes away. Whereas the 12" iPP will likely always have a port since it's the defacto Mac replacement (and I'll bet the 9.7" iPP will be rebranded by the time that happens).

Apple will probably go all wireless before wireless is fully baked.

 

[bobob]

Apple will probably go all wireless before wireless is fully baked.

I skate to where the puck is going to be, not to where it has been. - Wayne Gretzsky

 

[the future]

Well it will be made by Sony.

Not the software; which is where all the magic will happen.

 

[doelcm82]

As a shareholder I would look to invest my money elsewhere since shareholders don't care about Apple customers but like Tim Cook only on profits. I really wish there would come a new CEO with passion for tech and delivering the best. I also would like to see Apple buying back their shares and act like a privately hold company. Shareholders only want to see as much rendement on their money as possible in the shortest period of time.
It's called greed and it's killing companies.

Apple needs a forward-thinking CEO like Elon Musk. He'd have ditched the 3.5mm jack years ago, like he did on the Model S.

 

[9081094]

Sarcasm. I just remember Mac rumours saying dual lenses weren't happening. Imo that would be the only huge update from a 6s

So true. They could have done so much more

Because it doesn't run IOS, iMessage, FaceTime, great performance, no lag

If the S7 edge had all this then yeah loads here would buy it. Apple you get great performance with consistent updates and no random lag.

OLED will be amazing on the iPhone next year like it is on the Samsung phones now. Even with OLED you can bet it will still be lightening fast even with a new display.

You've never used a new android phone I suppose. No lag, great performance and even better stability then iOS (this has been researched). You might live in a country where are lots of other iPhone users. Here about 1 out of 10 has one and it's getting less and less each day. So hard time for me using iMessage, FaceTime, etc. even maps and sire are quite useless here. No transits or bicycle routes in maps and Siri doesn't understand much except timer and time.

 

[BlueMoon63]

As a shareholder I would look to invest my money elsewhere since shareholders don't care about Apple customers but like Tim Cook only on profits. I really wish there would come a new CEO with passion for tech and delivering the best. I also would like to see Apple buying back their shares and act like a privately hold company. Shareholders only want to see as much rendement on their money as possible in the shortest period of time.
It's called greed and it's killing companies.

You do realize that since Tim Cook took over as the hand-picked replacement by Steve, that profits and sales are higher than they ever have been? That means way more customers are buying apple products that ever before and the customer satisfaction is higher than any other company. That means Apple Customers are extremely happy and buying more and more Apple products. That makes Shareholders happy and since Apple isn't a Private company, they will not act like a private company which doesn't have to disclose anything.

We are more techie and we want things the way we want things... we are the minority of the consumers. The consumers are buying more Apple products than ever before. The 5-year run by Tim Cook - no matter how much we don't like it, has seen the largest growth by Apple ever it its history. Tim Cook donates/gives away almost all of his money he makes from Apple so he is not greedy/driven by profits. I think he gives away 95% of all his money to charity.

 

[HobeSoundDarryl]

Apple rarely waits for "perfection" (as though that's possible) to make a move like this. The iPhone was released without support for Adobe Flash, even though that really limited the usefulness of mobile web browsing. They removed the optical drive when significant numbers of their customers were still using it.

They know that to really make a change happen, you don't make it easy for people to keep doing things the old way.

One way to switch the United States over to the metric system (a superior system in almost every way) is to make cute commercials letting people know how easy the metric system is to use (a gram is about the weight of a raisin, now isn't that amazin'? The meter is a little more than a yard. It's really not so hard.) Then the change will happen...someday...or not ever.

Another way is to make you have to use an adapter to make older equipment work with the new standard. You'll grumble (and grumble and grumble) but soon enough you'll get on board, as headphone makers and airlines and car manufacturers adapt to the new reality.

You may never love the future. But Apple wants to make 3.5mm the past, and then you'll only need to love the present.

Appreciate your points but this "present" can't be as pleasant, until it catches up to the pleasant present we already enjoy... except for those who are already fine with Lightning or Bluetooth, as this change has no net effect on them- just those of us who enjoy non-proprietary, adapter-less and thorough ubiquity.

Again, the very same arguments being spun against 3.5mm can be spun for the older technologies that are battery & camera. Perhaps Apple should go ahead and eject those out to add-on accessory items too... to spur on "the future" of those technologies, if having to get rid of present "just works" utility is pretty much a requirement to drive innovation of "better" and "the future"?

That's rhetorical. Since this iPhone will keep the battery and camera technologies, they are both perfectly fine- albeit more antiquated- technologies in iPhones. Just this ONE thing needs to go because... well because Apple has decided it should go. Should they decide the camera or battery should go, we'll argue the same great "the future" positives about shifting those out to add-ons too... for many of the very same reasons.

Apple can make even more margins, sell even more add-ons too, while keeping the iPhone price the same. Why bother to complain? Apple can innovate by subtraction but still command full price. At the same time, they are the catalyst for "the future" (so what if we consumers have to juggle adapters or other hassles while we await a "the future" with the ubiquitousness of what we already have in this version of "the present.")

 

[The Game 161]

So true. They could have done so much more


You've never used a new android phone I suppose. No lag, great performance and even better stability then iOS (this has been researched). You might live in a country where are lots of other iPhone users. Here about 1 out of 10 has one and it's getting less and less each day. So hard time for me using iMessage, FaceTime, etc. even maps and sire are quite useless here. No transits or bicycle routes in maps and Siri doesn't understand much except timer and time.

Hardly

I had the S7 edge until very recently

S4
S5
S6 edge
Note 4
Nexus

I have had plenty of android phones.

In terms of performance and stability no phone can match the iPhone. It just isn't that close. There's more lag in Samsung phones compared to normal android phones however.

There are bound to be more android phones than iPhones you see around due to the amount of so many good mid range android devices that are far cheaper.

 

[Mac 128]

Apple will probably go all wireless before wireless is fully baked.

Yes you're probably right, which means that they don't want to let the customer get used to faster transfer rates than will be supported by wireless when they drop the port.

Otherwise there's no reason not to upgrade the Lightning port now.

 

[the future]

You've summed it up quite nicely.

Apple has a death grip on the Devotees, it is a very impressive display of dominance. Deftly manipulating their minds with months of carefully leaked "rumors" Apple does what no other consumer electronics company can, they whip buyers into a frenzy ready to purchase anything that Apple puts in front of them.

Witness the extreme responses often seen here:
"Just Take My Money"
"My Body Is Ready"
And on and on.

It's a fascinating look at how Apple has convinced millions that the Cupertino Company knows what is best for them.

Yes, we are all idiots. Nevermind all other (sane) explanations, we're not really happy with our devices and user experience, we are obviously just "manipulated" …

Serious question: what are you doing here? I don't think I've ever read any comment of yours that wasn't absolutely negative towards Apple. If you hate Apple and/or its products this much, why hang around here?

 

[elmaco]

This is what I remember about the different models:

iPhone 1: Large screen and multi-touch
iPhone 3G: GPS and 3G
iPhone 4: Retina screen
iPhone 4S: Siri support
iPhone 5: Widescreen
iPhone 5S: Fingerprint sensor
Iphone 6: Larger screen
iPhone 6S: 3D touch

iPhone 7: ???

 

[ZebraDude]

How is the sound quality? I have a 2014 Honda to which I can connect my audio over two ways: via Bluetooth or over the car's built in Lightning port (with pre-CarPlay interoperability). I can most definitely notice that the Lightning connection has a fuller sound and the bass response is better. If I could be assure the frequency response and sound quality was the same for wireless headphones as with wired, I would certainly go with wireless.

FYI: that would be a built in USB port.....