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Yep and they leapfrogged Apple in thinnes, performance and price while Apple stood still counting profits.
All I see is at least +20% in weight (more important than thinness) or laptop with low battery life, and more space consuming laptop from competition...
 
That's going to change soon. Have you seen the buyers guide here on the forum. All products except two are set on 'don't buy'. It's true that Apple made billions in profits the last couple of years. But that's going to change rapidly because they've done little with those billions to invest in new products and research and development. Competitors are ahead of Apple now. And it's really greedy of Apple selling 4+ years old computers for the same price. That's arrogant and greedy.

But that's going to change rapidly because Apple gets punished by about any other tech/computer maker.
Their biggest milking cow, won't sell that much as it did before. The market will respond and by that time those same shareholders will abandon ship and buy themselves into another company. Shareholders are like a plague of grasshoppers. They care about one thing. The same thing Apple has been caring for under Cook. And it's not selling their customers the best products and experiences.
This is all conjecture by you and that means absolutely nothing. This website wants you to wait to buy new products because they are all coming out with new ones - duh. But you lost all credibility when you said they have done little with those billions to invest in products and r&d. For one, you have no clue what they have done, and two, they have purchased maybe 50-100 companies in the past 5 years or so with those billions.

We get it, you like Samsung and Samsung makes a great product though slow - everything else about it is great and some will say their new phone will explode (literally). Love the screen though, but the eco-system is and always will be the downfall compared to Apple.

You saying "but that's going to change" is total nonsense because you (and me) have no idea... You love Samsung and you are here trying to defend Samsung and no one cares. Samsung makes a great product(s) and you should join a Samsung forum and enjoy life a little more instead of worrying about Apple. Get outside and enjoy life instead of trying to defend your Samsung products. They are good and they defend themselves.
 
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Actually the latest poll shows ios crashing twice as much as android. So the just works argument is not valid anymore. I have both ios and Android and while each has its their own pros and cons, ios needs work.
Macs also crash more than Windows now in my experience and recover less gracefully. As funny as Cnt-Alt-Del used to be it can often save my system. On my Mac when it crashes it's gone and its reboot time. Microsoft has been working hard and though I don't enjoy using them it's now mostly aesthetic because they work fine.
 
Interesting. I thought the Note 7 recall applied to the European model? This must have expanded?

Are you purchasing The iPhone 7? If so, which model and color? Three days until the KeyNote.
Yeah the Note 7 recall is worldwide now. Regardless of country, carrier, etc. I like the idea of the Space Black iPhone but the "piano black" looks pretty interesting too. I'm not getting my hopes up for it though as it's like an 11th hour rumor and it looks like it may be limited to a certain memory or device size too. Plus how will it handle fingerprints and scratches too. But yeah, I'm pumped
 
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I really want an iphone for development but I wish they would just go yo usb-c yet I know they won't. Now it will be just like the 30pin, one wire just to charge your iphone when literally everything else including mac computers are going to usb-c. I understand that when lightning came out it was needed because the 30pin was so antiquated but now they are kind of stuck. Lighting is so young so replacing it now would piss off a lot of consumers and create a lot of waste but on the other hand it feels almost weird if they don't do it.
 
It appears that regardless of all the other improvements/changes coming to the iPhone 7, 95% of the posts here are perseverating on the loss of the 3.5 port. The same percentage that complained when Apple dropped the 5.4" floppy from the Apple I's and again at the 3.5" floppy... and further still when they stopped making portables with CD/DVD drives...

The 3.5 port is the oldest "technology" still in use in our modern smartphones, not because it's the best, but because it's cheap and safe. Hard to believe we have a "Star Trek" device that is using technology from the Model T era...

I've got too many pairs of wired headphones to be proud... But I own 2 pairs of BT headphones, 1 over the ear and 1 ear buds... lately, when I go to grab a pair, inevitably, it's the BT headphones... I like the convenience of not having wires streaming down my chest or getting caught on things - especially when doing yard work or mowing the lawn or working out. The battery life is an issue for me... but then it occurred to me, when was the last time I listened to anything with headphones for more than 10 hours straight? Never.

This too will pass... Just keep swimming, just keep swimming.

Coachingguy

I agree. Wireless is where we are headed. Thousands of posts on the hate towards the Bluetooth world. But with improvements in technology over time, the transition will be more seamless. I do understand the investment for those who have wired headphones, but this is inevitable.

If manufacturers continue to release some great hardware in terms of Bluetooth, hopefully most will find a median ground in what others are looking for.

And for those who won't accept the change, they still have the option of retaining their previous cell phone with the 3.5 Jack and or an adapter for their wired headphones in the new iPhone 7 or other devices.
 
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This is what I remember about the different models:

iPhone 1: Large screen and multi-touch
iPhone 3G: GPS and 3G
iPhone 4: Retina screen
iPhone 4S: Siri support
iPhone 5: Widescreen
iPhone 5S: Fingerprint sensor
Iphone 6: Larger screen
iPhone 6S: 3D touch

iPhone 7: ???

iPhone 7: No headphone jack
 
3.5mm has been around for so Long because no one wants to change for fear of losing consumers like I was saying. 3.5mm is ANALOG. How can it be better than either lightning or USB-C which is digital?

And your criticism about Apple sharing audio output and charging duties to one single Lightning port is unfounded. How do you know the iPhone 7 doesn't come with wireless charging? And even if the 7 does not have, it's pretty firm that the 8 in 2017 will come with it.

So I'm sorry, it's not because 3.5mm is a good tech. It's because no one wants to change. And I'm glad Apple is once again, forcing the world to move forwards. At the end of the day, it's not a matter of whether USB-C or Lightning replaced 3.5mm. It's the fact that once again, it's Apple which braved all criticisms and risks of losing consumer to move the world forwards with newer tech.

It's obvious you don't understand what you're talking about when it comes to signal quality and how the whole analog/digital signal transmission process works. All signals that reach your headphone speakers, regardless if you connect to the iPhone via 3.5mm or Litigating, ARE ANALOG. You, like the vast majority of the unformed public, continue to make misleading claims that 3.5mm is bad because it's an analog signal and Lighting or USB-C is good because it’s digital.

So let me school you since you continue to spew misleading information, which is exactly what Apple will do on September 7th when they announce the removal of the 3.5mm jack. Mark my words folks, Apple will justify removing the 3.5mm jack using the “it’s not digital" marketing spin and the unformed press and public, like this person, will dink that Apple cool aid all day long.

So back to the lesson, all music/sound on your iPhone is stored in a some kind of digital format. The first and most important variable to effect sound quality is how that source material was digitized. If the codec and/or hardware used to encode the source is of poor quality or other variables in the encoding process are poor, then the source material will have been poorly digitized.

Now you want to listen to that digital sound file on your iPhone, so onboard your iPhone is a DAC/AMP. If you don’t know what that that means, DAC = Digital-to-Analog Converter and AMP = Amplifier. So the digital source material is converted back to an analog signal, amplified, then the analog signal is sent along something we call wires to the speakers in your headphones. I guess Apple could solder your headphone wires to the iPhone and eliminate the 3.5mm connector but most folks like the idea of being able to unplug their headphones (either 3.5mm or Lighting).

Now let’s take the Lighting connector. So let’s say you have another set of headphones that connect to the iPhone but the wires (yes we are using wires again) connect to the iPhone via the Lighting connector. Yes, the signal now traveling from your iPhone through the Lighting connection is digital, we have bypassed the iPhone's onboard DAC/AMP, but that digital signal now travels roughly 15 inches along the wire to a different DAC/AMP packaged with your headphones, probably that little “bump” on your headphone wires that has a volume up/down button. But guess what, now the digital signal STILL needs to be converted to an analog signal and sent to the speakers in your headphones.

Because you are connecting to the iPhone with Lighting DOES NOT mean you are listening to some kind of “digital sound” IT IS STILL ANALOG coming into your speakers and coming out of your speakers.

It's not me but people like you who are hold back progress in the world because you perpetuate bad information. Your uninformed/misleading comments like "3.5mm is bad because it’s analog and Lightning and/or USB-C is good because it's digital" promote ignorance and that holds back progress. What you and the other cool aid drinking crowd are incapable of grasping is that all signals are analog when they reach the speaker and emerge from your speaker.

The folks who support removal of the 3.5mm jack for a wireless approach, OK, that is a debate worth having. I still prefer a connected “wired” solution because I don’t want to have yet another device to charge, but I have to admit there is some merit to saying let’s abandon wires all together. I will add that the people familiar with BT have said over and over that the BT transmitted audio signal is significantly worse than a wired 3.5mm jack/connected signal. I don’t know enough about BT to speak to that, so I have remained mostly silent on the BT debate.

Where I lose it is when I continue to see the cool aid drinking comments like “3.5mm is analog and that is bad, Lighting is digital and that is good”. Those kind of comments are highly misleading and continue to perpetuate the analog vs digital myth.
 
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My daughter has the S7 Edge as her private phone and the iPhone 6s as her works phone and honestly the 6s is like the poor relation we don't talk about.
I am skeptical to such bold statement when the screen make so few difference in terme of real world use in definitive. The Samsung screen is better, but the iPhone screen is good, in fact one of the very best display...

I find the value of the Apple ecosystem much more important to me that I would not trade for a marginally better screen.
 
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Yeah the Note 7 recall is worldwide now. Regardless of country, carrier, etc. I like the idea of the Space Black iPhone but the "piano black" looks pretty interesting too. I'm not getting my hopes up for it though as it's like an 11th hour rumor and it looks like it may be limited to a certain memory or device size too. Plus how will it handle fingerprints and scratches too. But yeah, I'm pumped

Should be an interesting Keynote. I'm leaning towards a black iPhone as well. I need a change from the Space Gray, which I have had in every Apple product I own. See you their.
 
Should be an interesting Keynote. I'm leaning towards a black iPhone as well. I need a change from the Space Gray, which I have had in every Apple product I own. See you their.
I work from home so I will be watching on my Apple TV :) I want the Black iPhone 7 Plus with probably 32gig or 64gig if available. Don't need 128gig. Might even get the Apple Watch 2 if it is as good as it sounds. Finally being a great fitness device.
 
The water resistance alone is enough for me to be honest. Other have it but they're not iphones.
It might be surprise to you. There are still tons of website still use flash.

You guys keep ignoring the fact that Apple is trying to replacing a standard port to non-standard ports.

You guys keep motioning about flash and CD, but you guys forgot that flash is being replaced by STANDARD HTLM5 and CD is replaced by streaming.

Now imaging Apple trying to replace flash with Apple standard. Nobody will give f about Apple.

Yep, lightning isn't standard. USB-C could be tolerable. And if that's coming in future then why bother with this?
 
Um, no, this new color does not cut it! When will a brand new all new 4 inch phone be released? The last brand new all new 4 inch phone was iPhone 5 back in September 2012! And it has been rehashed for four years!!!
NEW iPHONE 4 INCH NOW PLEASE, NOT REHASHED 5, NOT REHASHED 6!!!
 
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I want to see the brilliant (Ferrari) red iPhone.

I did not read all the posts on this thread to see if anyone has raised that issue.

I want that RED!
 
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The water resistance alone is enough for me to be honest. Other have it but they're not iphones.


Yep, lightning isn't standard. USB-C could be tolerable. And if that's coming in future then why bother with this?
The water resistance will be a big selling feature that we will see in new tv ads for sure. Both of my daughters dropped their iPhone in the toilet but luckily we were able to get them to work again. I mentioned this before but I never knew that girls/women put their iPhones in their back pockets a lot and when they go the bathroom - plop. :)

The most important thing to me with the iPhone is the quality/design, eco-system and speed. I absolutely despise Windows after using it for 20 years and blue screens and rebooting daily for patching to slow. Finally growing up and realizing the UNIX is the right operating system and probably only operating system to use.
 
Um, no, this new color does not cut it! When will a brand new all new 4 inch phone be released? The last brand new all new 4 inch phone was iPhone 5 back in September 2012!
2012!
And it has been rehashed for four years!!!
NEW iPHONE 4 INCH NOW PLEASE, NOT REHASHED 5, NOT REHASHED 6!!!
I'm speachless.
 
Um, no, this new color does not cut it! When will a brand new all new 4 inch phone be released? The last brand new all new 4 inch phone was iPhone 5 back in September 2012!
2012!
And it has been rehashed for four years!!!
NEW iPHONE 4 INCH NOW PLEASE, NOT REHASHED 5, NOT REHASHED 6!!!
Your large font convinced me!
 
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I am skeptical to such bold statement when the screen make so few difference in terme of real world use in definitive. The Samsung screen is better, but the iPhone screen is good, in fact one of the very best display...

I find the value of the Apple ecosystem much more important to me that I would not trade for a marginally better screen.
+10 for the most obvious reason why to use Apple after build/quality/design/speed... ecosystem.
 
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That clock frequency though... should give the iPhone a nice speed bump, could even match some Haswell dual cores if they managed to optimize the architecture as well. I suppose they keep the 14nm process of TSMC?
 
But apple has always been proprietary. Lightening/30 pin instead of USB. MagSafe instead of whatever pcs use. DisplayPort/thunderbolt instead of vga/hdmi. You have always had to buy adaptors to link in to the real world with apple. They have always done their own thing and have never suffered because of it.
This is different, though, because even within Apple's own product lines, only iOS devices have the Lightning port. So you have to use an adapter to link Apple with other Apple, not just the "real world" with Apple. Those rumored new Lightning Beats Headphones, for example, won't be able to plug into my MacBook Pro. That's just... that just seems ridiculous. A whole extra level of proprietary with one company.
 
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What does your current phone have that you'd want on the iPhone? Just curious.

Quick Charge, smart alert, dual windows, a AMOLED screen, wireless charging, always on display, a high end camera, water resistance, SD card (not happening with Apple), a bigger battery in a slim profile (6S Plus too bulky with a case on), better power saving modes, VR Support, and a better designed phone. The 6S Plus was simply average next to the 5S and the 5 Apple made.
 
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