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whatsapp is very similar to iMessage and you can make free phone calls to others too, like FaceTime (sound only). It's multi platform and you can have group chats. Although I love iMessage, it's only possible with a few friends. Most people here are on android.
Yes, people in the netherlands are cheap ! Know all about it! Most of my friends all want iPhones, but buy Samsung , Sony and LG because it is cheaper.
 
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Doesn't it depend on what you expect from a phone and how well the phone performs in your eyes? Every year, I think, when will the competition catch up.

It's actually the other way around. Apple has the essentials down and nothing else. Same with the Nexus. At some point, the phones both companies offer are redundant. Samsung, ZTE, OP are really pushing the envelope w/ their 2016 products. Samsung has the best designed phones, top notch hardware, and strong features. ZTE offers the best features for the cheapest price. OP offers a solid experience at the fraction of the iPhone price tag. The SE is the only iPhone that truly can offer the best experience within it's screen size class.
 
+10 for the most obvious reason why to use Apple after build/quality/design/speed... ecosystem.
Yep.
My browser tabs are shared between my phone, my tablet and my mac without the need to use the power angry Chrome,
My notifications are shared without the need to expose my private life to Cortana,
My messages and phone call are shared between my devices,
I can start something on a device and continue it on an other if the app exist on both app store,
Soon, I will be able to copy on one device and paste on an other
...
 
Quick Charge, smart alert, dual windows, a AMOLED screen, wireless charging, always on display, a high end camera, water resistance, SD card (not happening with Apple), a bigger battery in a slim profile (6S Plus too bulky with a case on), better power saving modes, VR Support, and a better designed phone. The 6S Plus was simply average next to the 5S and the 5 Apple made.

My ideal phone would be a Note 7 (minus exploding battery) running iOS.

But the only reason I'm upgrading to iPhone 7 is the 256GB option.
 
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Wait, what? So, the Camera and Battery have not undergone any improvements since the 3.5 jack was invented? We're not even having the same conversation. But thanks.

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No he's all hyperbole and vitriol. Most people just ignore him from the few replies I've seen.

I look forward to the "I told you so" when Apple releases an iPhone with no internal power supply or image-capturing hardware.

But let's look to this absurd hyperbole, which upon reflection isn't so far fetched.

The premise: Apple is going 100% wireless in 3-5 years.

Step 1: Introduce a device that transfers data and communications wirelessly -- check.
Step 2: Complete independence from iTunes and a PC -- check.
Step 3: Move regular backups to the cloud, and implement direct file transfers wirelessly -- check.
Step 4: Transition headphones to wireless by dropping the headphone jack, and improving wireless headphones.
Step 5: Introduce true wireless charging without wires and mats, and remove the Lightning port.
Step 6: Allow the iPhone to receive images from any paired camera.

The reality is, the DAC and amp have effectively been moved out of the iPhone and into BT and WiFi devices already. Since wireless audio is the undisputed future of mobile consumer audio, then there's no reason not to move the burden of the DAC and amp design into the external gear which is providing the actual sound, whether wired (which days are likely numbered) or wireless. In some ways it makes headphone manufacturer's live easier since they will make just one headphone with a digital interface with or without a wireless radio.

Moving beyond the headphone, there's charging the battery. Well step one is to provide wireless power, which theoretically means the iPhone is charging whenever it's in the presence of a wireless power station. In terms of the battery size, if the iPhone is essentially receiving a stream of power all the time in most developed areas, then the battery needs not be much more than a power cache, thus reducing the volume and allowing the iPhone to be smaller. Of course there's always a need to use a phone in an area which won't have this technology available, which is where an external battery pack comes in handy. So it's not unthinkable that the power source would move outside the iPhone itself eventually (at least the bulk of it), leaving it up to the consumer to provide for their power needs beyond the norm for most customers.

Then there's the camera. I suppose we should thank our luck stars that we don't have to load film into the iPhone! But seriously, as the iPhone shrinks and becomes essentially a pocket screen to external devices such as the Watch or other wearables, the need for a built-in camera become less critical. A first step would be to allow the iPhone to be used as a view screen for cameras built-into the Watch or other wearables, or even a person's headphones, or sunglasses. Then eventually, the camera in these devices will upload directly to the cloud, so no need for local storage either. I could imagine a reality where the Watch is the new iPhone, with the iPhone now a credit card-sized device that could be unfolded to be a display that is an accessory to the watch. The camera would be in the watch, and would use that display to frame photos. Or the camera could be in the sunglasses, or a broach or necklace, or a ring, or a button on a blouse. Because once the iPhone as we know it becomes something the size of the credit card, there won't be a need for it to have a built-in camera which can be better positioned elsewhere on the body, and more convenient as well.

So yes, removing features from the iPhone may actually be progress in the long run. It allows other devices better positioned on the body and more conveniently accessed to contain the things we use most, without having to reach into our pockets all the time. Batteries may no longer be a consideration with wireless power hubs scattered throughout cities. Heck even the need for a dedicated display might go away in favor of HUD in glasses, or micro projection tools. And to think the wireless headphone is already here.
 
I am skeptical to such bold statement when the screen make so few difference in terme of real world use in definitive. The Samsung screen is better, but the iPhone screen is good, in fact one of the very best display...

I find the value of the Apple ecosystem much more important to me that I would not trade for a marginally better screen.
Someone using a personal Samsung and a work-assigned iPhone would most likely not be taking advantage of the Apple ecosystem very much. I don't have a problem believing that they like their personal phone better. But their experience is not much use in an discussion about which is the better phone or ecosystem.
 
This is different, though, because even within Apple's own product lines, only iOS devices have the Lightning port. So you have to use an adapter to link Apple with other Apple, not just the "real world" with Apple. Those rumored new Lightning Beats Headphones, for example, won't be able to plug into my MacBook Pro. That's just... that just seems ridiculous. A whole extra level of proprietary with one company.

I agree, it would be ridiculous. That's why I believe Apple will solve this problem by adding Lightning ports to all of their Macs. There are many advantages to doing so, in addition to native compatibility with Apple's own Ligthning headphones (since the goal is really to go wireless).

That's the reason I expect Apple to introduce at least the MBA update, as it's the most popular consumer and entry level model, to showcase for developers the level of support they can expect to find in forthcoming Macs for both Lightning and new audio protocols.
 
It's actually the other way around. Apple has the essentials down and nothing else. Same with the Nexus. At some point, the phones both companies offer are redundant. Samsung, ZTE, OP are really pushing the envelope w/ their 2016 products. Samsung has the best designed phones, top notch hardware, and strong features. ZTE offers the best features for the cheapest price. OP offers a solid experience at the fraction of the iPhone price tag. The SE is the only iPhone that truly can offer the best experience within it's screen size class.
The good thing about these opinions, is we can all be right. I look at the ecosystem and support in my determination, not items on a list. As I said YMMV how you make your determinations.:)
 
No he's all hyperbole and vitriol. Most people just ignore him from the few replies I've seen.



But let's look to this absurd hyperbole, which upon reflection isn't so far fetched.

The premise: Apple is going 100% wireless in 3-5 years.

Step 1: Introduce a device that transfers data and communications wirelessly -- check.
Step 2: Complete independence from iTunes and a PC -- check.
Step 3: Move regular backups to the cloud, and implement direct file transfers wirelessly -- check.
Step 4: Transition headphones to wireless by dropping the headphone jack, and improving wireless headphones.
Step 5: Introduce true wireless charging without wires and mats, and remove the Lightning port.
Step 6: Allow the iPhone to receive images from any paired camera.

The reality is, the DAC and amp have effectively been moved out of the iPhone and into BT and WiFi devices already. Since wireless audio is the undisputed future of mobile consumer audio, then there's no reason not to move the burden of the DAC and amp design into the external gear which is providing the actual sound, whether wired (which days are likely numbered) or wireless. In some ways it makes headphone manufacturer's live easier since they will make just one headphone with a digital interface with or without a wireless radio.

Moving beyond the headphone, there's charging the battery. Well step one is to provide wireless power, which theoretically means the iPhone is charging whenever it's in the presence of a wireless power station. In terms of the battery size, if the iPhone is essentially receiving a stream of power all the time in most developed areas, then the battery needs not be much more than a power cache, thus reducing the volume and allowing the iPhone to be smaller. Of course there's always a need to use a phone in an area which won't have this technology available, which is where an external battery pack comes in handy. So it's not unthinkable that the power source would move outside the iPhone itself eventually (at least the bulk of it), leaving it up to the consumer to provide for their power needs beyond the norm for most customers.

Then there's the camera. I suppose we should thank our luck stars that we don't have to load film into the iPhone! But seriously, as the iPhone shrinks and becomes essentially a pocket screen to external devices such as the Watch or other wearables, the need for a built-in camera become less critical. A first step would be to allow the iPhone to be used as a view screen for cameras built-into the Watch or other wearables, or even a person's headphones, or sunglasses. Then eventually, the camera in these devices will upload directly to the cloud, so no need for local storage either. I could imagine a reality where the Watch is the new iPhone, with the iPhone now a credit card-sized device that could be unfolded to be a display that is an accessory to the watch. The camera would be in the watch, and would use that display to frame photos. Or the camera could be in the sunglasses, or a broach or necklace, or a ring, or a button on a blouse. Because once the iPhone as we know it becomes something the size of the credit card, there won't be a need for it to have a built-in camera which can be better positioned elsewhere on the body, and more convenient as well.

So yes, removing features from the iPhone may actually be progress in the long run. It allows other devices better positioned on the body and more conveniently accessed to contain the things we use most, without having to reach into our pockets all the time. Batteries may no longer be a consideration with wireless power hubs scattered throughout cities. Heck even the need for a dedicated display might go away in favor of HUD in glasses, or micro projection tools. And to think the wireless headphone is already here.
In a quarter century will we even recognize phones? The display and camera could be our eyeballs and the audio beamed directly to our ears.
 
No he's all hyperbole and vitriol. Most people just ignore him from the few replies I've seen.



But let's look to this absurd hyperbole, which upon reflection isn't so far fetched.

The premise: Apple is going 100% wireless in 3-5 years.

Step 1: Introduce a device that transfers data and communications wirelessly -- check.
Step 2: Complete independence from iTunes and a PC -- check.
Step 3: Move regular backups to the cloud, and implement direct file transfers wirelessly -- check.
Step 4: Transition headphones to wireless by dropping the headphone jack, and improving wireless headphones.
Step 5: Introduce true wireless charging without wires and mats, and remove the Lightning port.
Step 6: Allow the iPhone to receive images from any paired camera.

The reality is, the DAC and amp have effectively been moved out of the iPhone and into BT and WiFi devices already. Since wireless audio is the undisputed future of mobile consumer audio, then there's no reason not to move the burden of the DAC and amp design into the external gear which is providing the actual sound, whether wired (which days are likely numbered) or wireless. In some ways it makes headphone manufacturer's live easier since they will make just one headphone with a digital interface with or without a wireless radio.

Moving beyond the headphone, there's charging the battery. Well step one is to provide wireless power, which theoretically means the iPhone is charging whenever it's in the presence of a wireless power station. In terms of the battery size, if the iPhone is essentially receiving a stream of power all the time in most developed areas, then the battery needs not be much more than a power cache, thus reducing the volume and allowing the iPhone to be smaller. Of course there's always a need to use a phone in an area which won't have this technology available, which is where an external battery pack comes in handy. So it's not unthinkable that the power source would move outside the iPhone itself eventually (at least the bulk of it), leaving it up to the consumer to provide for their power needs beyond the norm for most customers.

Then there's the camera. I suppose we should thank our luck stars that we don't have to load film into the iPhone! But seriously, as the iPhone shrinks and becomes essentially a pocket screen to external devices such as the Watch or other wearables, the need for a built-in camera become less critical. A first step would be to allow the iPhone to be used as a view screen for cameras built-into the Watch or other wearables, or even a person's headphones, or sunglasses. Then eventually, the camera in these devices will upload directly to the cloud, so no need for local storage either. I could imagine a reality where the Watch is the new iPhone, with the iPhone now a credit card-sized device that could be unfolded to be a display that is an accessory to the watch. The camera would be in the watch, and would use that display to frame photos. Or the camera could be in the sunglasses, or a broach or necklace, or a ring, or a button on a blouse. Because once the iPhone as we know it becomes something the size of the credit card, there won't be a need for it to have a built-in camera which can be better positioned elsewhere on the body, and more convenient as well.

So yes, removing features from the iPhone may actually be progress in the long run. It allows other devices better positioned on the body and more conveniently accessed to contain the things we use most, without having to reach into our pockets all the time. Batteries may no longer be a consideration with wireless power hubs scattered throughout cities. Heck even the need for a dedicated display might go away in favor of HUD in glasses, or micro projection tools. And to think the wireless headphone is already here.

Best...trolling...post...ever!
 
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No he's all hyperbole and vitriol. Most people just ignore him from the few replies I've seen.

At least I can "think different" than putting in so, so much effort to tow the company line with every single post. You always argue with Apple, rationalizing everything they do or want to do as hard as you can, with whatever spin you can conjure. While I'm open to the concept that every single thing they do just happens to perfectly align with what you want as an objective(?) consumer, I'd read your posts so differently if I ever saw you post even one that doesn't look like 100% blind brand loyalty.

I sometimes praise them and sometimes pan them- the driver of which is looking at what they are doing and how does it appear to benefit or not benefit me as a consumer of Apple products. Lately, too many decisions seem to be about profits- like this one- instead of customer utility. I care more about Apple than AAPL. I want to be delighted with future Apple product purchases, not hassled... Or hustled into having to spend more to try to replace features that used to be built in.

Going from thoroughly ubiquitous standards to walled garden proprietary is NEVER a win for consumers. Again, if it was Samsung in the role of Apple here, I bet you and so many others cheering this on would have an entirely different opinion about this topic. Me? I'd feel exactly the same about it.
 
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Again, the very same arguments being spun against 3.5mm can be spun for the older technologies that are battery & camera.


Yes, you have been repeating this 'battery & camera' metaphor quite a lot today.
But I have difficulty understanding what you would actually propose updating, in which order and when?
Keep headphone jack for ever? 5 years? When bluetooth is better and available on planes? Ban adapters? you want USB-C or you don't?
Sorry for my confusion, but I find your posts too long and rambling to actually get your point - behind a mildly paranoid screen. Just my impression.

Apple can make even more margins, sell even more add-ons too, while keeping the iPhone price the same. Why bother to complain? Apple can innovate by subtraction but still command full price. At the same time, they are the catalyst for "the future" (so what if we consumers have to juggle adapters or other hassles while we await a "the future" with the ubiquitousness of what we already have in this version of "the present.")


So you're saying that the only reason for dismissing the headphone jack is to force customers to buy expensive adapters?
 
That clock frequency though... should give the iPhone a nice speed bump, could even match some Haswell dual cores if they managed to optimize the architecture as well. I suppose they keep the 14nm process of TSMC?
At this point, i don't think processor speed is a major deal to anyone...everyone who has had Apple devices in the past two years have processors that are fast enough...its not like you are gonna see any applications take True advantage of it...the same can be said for graphics as well...and for those who upgrade every year...they never see the true advantages of the technology in their phones
 
This actually sounds like a decent upgrade, if true. The upgraded earpiece for stereo sound is much more likely than a second speaker at the bottom imo. Not sure if I can believe both "dark black" and "piano black" being new colors at the same time though.
Yeah, I say we get space black. The inclusion of piano black doesn't sound like something apple would do and creates a very complex manufacturing routine, besides being too much inventory for Apple stores to stock.
 
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Always thought the iPhone 7 and 7 Plus would be a nice upgrade but if all of this is true then WOW, biggest or one of the biggest upgrades ever to the iPhone line. Consider me excited for the event to get finer details on the phone especially the dual camera. I'll be going for the 128gb Plus model, hopefully I can manage its size as I currently have a regular 6s. Now, the only decision to make is what colour to buy... :)
 
Always thought the iPhone 7 and 7 Plus would be a nice upgrade but if all of this is true then WOW, biggest or one of the biggest upgrades ever to the iPhone line. Consider me excited for the event to get finer details on the phone especially the dual camera. I'll be going for the 128gb Plus model, hopefully I can manage its size as I currently have a regular 6s. Now, the only decision to make is what colour to buy... :)
Nothing is giving this phone a true Wow moment....thats the hilarious part ...every year its always someone who is somehow amazed by apples lack of innovation
 
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whatsapp is very similar to iMessage and you can make free phone calls to others too, like FaceTime (sound only). It's multi platform and you can have group chats. Although I love iMessage, it's only possible with a few friends. Most people here are on android.

Wow, what happened to your cables? you take care of them well? or carelessly ?
I think the are more people on android in most countries around the world, or?
 
Splitting out the plus and normal in terms of features besides size continues to be one of the most bizarre moves ever. No way I want a plus but I have to choose a different size to get dual camera. Does any other phone company do this? It sucks.
You've never seen differing features in different models of a range?
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I personally prefer OS X but unfortunately OS X runs only on outdated hardware. Hope that's going to change soon.With the lack of interest on Apple's part and exorbitant high price tags Apple just lost an opportunity to grow in computers.
They are focussed elsewhere now, it seems.
 
Nothing is giving this phone a true Wow moment....thats the hilarious part ...every year its always someone who is somehow amazed by apples lack of innovation

I will admit the "WOW" was a bit of an overreaction from me, but you have to admit this is probably the best update to the iPhone that Apple has ever done and so is quite a big thing.

I wouldn't say it is just Apple who are lacking innovation, the whole smartphone industry is, as there is not really much else new that they can add to a smartphone and so that's why sales are slowing down. I will say that Samsung with the Note 7 have had some innovation with the camera, waterproofing but the Iris scanner while impressive is unnecessary imo.
 
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Drop that iPhone 7 into the ocean, it's waterproof!
Um, so far I've seen the iPhone 7...
OMG, I've perused all the specs...
Did I just read the iPhone 7 press release on MacRumors???
Leak, leak, leak!

Damage control at Apple in overdrive!
What's left for the 2016 Keynote?
Bring on 2017 pa-lllease!!!
Or... just bring me Mac updates, Apple.
 
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