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Have Apple thought this 3.5mm/lightning thing through properly? A lot of Apple fanboys are musicians. Bluetooth headphones have latency which makes them impossible to perform music on. If the lightning socket is occupied by a MIDI keyboard (as I use it for), then where are the headphones going to go? Bluetooth headphones are not an option.
 
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The consumer also demanded a physical keyboard on a phone, a 3.5 floppy, a optica dvd drive, etc.
If apple listen' t to all its consumers, it would be nowhere now.

What's the benefit of removing it? The chassis will be the same, so they could've fit a 3.5mm jack, and there are other waterproof phones out there with a headphone port.

Tell me 1 reason why removing a feature is a benefit.

Nuff Said.
 
You are totally right. I have a iPhone 6S, and if Apple is dropping 3.5mm jack from every iPhone that is still coming in the future, I think iPhone 6S is going to be my last iPhone. I can still recall all the adapter hassle when Nokia had 2.5mm jacks in their phones and the adapters were always missing.. I listen a lot of music, podcasts and audiobooks.

Sure you could use Bluetooth -headsets, but that's yet another thing that you have to remember to charge. Not cool.
What Apple is gambling on is the percentage of iPhone users who use third-party, non-Bluetooth headphones being low enough, or being low enough in the near future (as more people switch to Bluetooth). If 80% of iPhone users just use the bundled earphones and another 10% use Bluetooth headphones, only 10% will have to deal with an adapter.
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What's the benefit of removing it? The chassis will be the same, so they could've fit a 3.5mm jack, and there are other waterproof phones out there with a headphone port.

Tell me 1 reason why removing a feature is a benefit.
Everything else equal, the battery life will be a few percent longer.
 
Some observations I made so far... some people are trying to defend Apple for removing the headphone jack.
I personally believe that there is a reason why it existed for over 40 years in almost every device, simply because "it just works".
And if you plot the percentage of people using wireless connections for the headphones over those 40 years, you'll a definite change only in the last couple of years.
 
What's the benefit of removing it? The chassis will be the same, so they could've fit a 3.5mm jack, and there are other waterproof phones out there with a headphone port.

Tell me 1 reason why removing a feature is a benefit.

Nuff Said.
We will find out in a couple days...hang on.
 
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Have Apple thought this 3.5mm/lightning thing through properly? A lot of Apple fanboys are musicians. Bluetooth headphones have latency which makes them impossible to perform music on. If the lightning socket is occupied by a MIDI keyboard (as I use it for), then where are the headphones going to go? Bluetooth headphones are not an option.

Not the BT headphones I use.
 
And if you plot the percentage of people using wireless connections for the headphones over those 40 years, you'll a definite change only in the last couple of years.

Well I never claimed that there won't be an increase in BT headphones, who knows maybe there will be far more users using BT headphones than people who are using wired headphones, from a customers point of view it would just be preferable when devices will still have a headphone jack for costs/quality and other reasons.
But it's fine whoever wants to use wireless headphones can feel free to do so
 
Well I never claimed that there won't be an increase in BT headphones, who knows maybe there will be far more users using BT headphones than people who are using wired headphones, from a customers point of view it would just be preferable when devices will still have a headphone jack for costs/quality and other reasons.
But it's fine whoever wants to use wireless headphones can feel free to do so

Q1: Lets assume lightning headphones are provided:

To use my existing headphones in the iphone 7 - I need an adaptor. Hopefully free, otherwise at least 20-30 bucks.

I cannot use my new bundled iphone 7 headphones with my ipad pro or older iphones? Also cannot use it with my macbook 12 - so another adaptor required. Another 20--30 bucks.

WOW!

Q2: Also, how come apple don't remove lightning completely, and use usb-c on their ios devices?
 
Changing an worldwide universal standard to an Apple proprietary standard is not an innovation, it is a leap back to the stone age. It is like replacing USB on the Mac lines to the lightning port, having a proprietary audio jack is not something new, it sucked last time and it will suck now as it limits choice or you have to carry around an adapter (adapters in 2016, seriously?!?!).

Not that I am pro-headphone jack removal, anyone committed to that format will have a lightning to 3.5 adaptor in a really unobtrusive way. It's annoying sure, and people have every right to be annoyed but I don't see this move as dramatic as you present it.

The biggest issue for me is not being able to charge my phone and use headphones that aren't Bluetooth. It's just something else I have to keep charged and worry about when I would rather just use my always available and simple EarPods .
 
Have Apple thought this 3.5mm/lightning thing through properly? A lot of Apple fanboys are musicians. Bluetooth headphones have latency which makes them impossible to perform music on. If the lightning socket is occupied by a MIDI keyboard (as I use it for), then where are the headphones going to go? Bluetooth headphones are not an option.

I guarantee you they've thought about it for far, far longer and far deeper than anyone outside Apple. Remember this - there's years and years of research and development that took place before even the slightest twinkling of a "rumour" caught the public eye. They've built, tested, refined and shelved hundreds of prototype iterations, bought in competing products and carried out studies on feasibility etc.

Just because this is new to us, doesn't mean it's new to Apple - this is old, old news, they've been on it for years and have now signed off on this project and moved onto the next. I guarantee you this.
 
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Well I never claimed that there won't be an increase in BT headphones, who knows maybe there will be far more users using BT headphones than people who are using wired headphones, from a customers point of view it would just be preferable when devices will still have a headphone jack for costs/quality and other reasons.
But it's fine whoever wants to use wireless headphones can feel free to do so
My point was that just because something lasted 40 years, doesn't mean that we are not nearing a tipping point. And there comes a point where we don't mourn the loss of the 56K modem port or that of the Ethernet port anymore.
 
the reason they are removing the jack is simple. It allows them to force people into using a proprietary plug which allows them to charge a licensing fee which makes beats headphones more price competitive and they are hoping to sell more of them. They will include a dongle to satisfy customers but in the end people will lose their dongles or forget them enough times and just say screw it and buy new headphones which Apple will be able to cash in on
 
I can't see the issue in terms of removing the 3.5mm jack as im sure there will be an adapter in the box which i would just leave on the end of the headphones and if you have more than one pair im sure these adapters will be available on ebay for 99p so you can just leave one on then end each set.

What i think is going to be an issue is listening and charging at the same time. I listen to music streaming all day at work with my headphones and plug my phone in the afternoon to charge while listening. How apple are going to solve this one im not sure as bluetooth are no good as they won't last the day or would have to be put on charge everyday.
 
I can't see the issue in terms of removing the 3.5mm jack as im sure there will be an adapter in the box which i would just leave on the end of the headphones and if you have more than one pair im sure these adapters will be available on ebay for 99p so you can just leave one on then end each set.

What i think is going to be an issue is listening and charging at the same time. I listen to music streaming all day at work with my headphones and plug my phone in the afternoon to charge while listening. How apple are going to solve this one im not sure as bluetooth are no good as they won't last the day or would have to be put on charge everyday.

Airpods maybe?
 
Have Apple thought this 3.5mm/lightning thing through properly? A lot of Apple fanboys are musicians. Bluetooth headphones have latency which makes them impossible to perform music on. If the lightning socket is occupied by a MIDI keyboard (as I use it for), then where are the headphones going to go? Bluetooth headphones are not an option.

Not convenient, but I am sure there will be third party splitters and stands available to allow both.
 
My point was that just because something lasted 40 years, doesn't mean that we are not nearing a tipping point. And there comes a point where we don't mourn the loss of the 56K modem port or that of the Ethernet port anymore.

Because they shifted to other universal standards, not Apple Internet and Apple Wifi.
 
My point was that just because something lasted 40 years, doesn't mean that we are not nearing a tipping point. And there comes a point where we don't mourn the loss of the 56K modem port or that of the Ethernet port anymore.

The 56K modem had a "truly" successor -> DSL, maybe you don't use the Ethernet port anymore, but look around in companies, even the latest iMacs and the Mac mini are equipped with this port. The successor (at least for homes) is WiFi, the only advantage is the mobility, the stability or speed of WiFi is not comparable to the Ethernet Port ( so just one important advantage, but more disadvantages which aren't that important for home users).
BT headphones and wired headphones? Yeah for me (!) way too many disadvantages, more than there are advantages. What exactly is the advantage, I don't know? No wires - but you have to charge them on a daily basis and the probability that you will lose one or both of them is a lot higher. Better quality? Well wired headphones for the same price will have better sound quality. I prefer wired headphones - I don't know why they would replace the headphone jack, to make the device even thinner? It's already fine, when they keep this trend one day you have to be careful not to destroy/bend the phone with your hands.
Lets just hope that Apple will ship the new iPhone with "AirPods" (but somehow I doubt that) so that the transition is easier for most of us who still like the idea of having the headphone jack and not with EarPods which have an proprietary connector ;)
 
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