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Touch ID is first generation, no 3D Touch (I know some will say they don't need it). It's a great one hand device but It's harder to go back to a small screen in this era.

Ah okay. I guess for someone still on 5s it is less obvious lol.

I think your screen size is worth noting but fairly subjective.
 
polee said--"I bought an SE last week. Not sure if I could do without the headphone jack. Also tired of carrying large phones. Am so happy with my smaller phone...Small is Beautiful!"


Small is useless can't use the Internet with a small screen size well, do videos, and it's using outdated tech already

I agree with you 100% and won't go back to a smaller screen. But, it is still only our opinion. My son and his wife will never go to a large screen. I have touted my Plus's to them and they have no interest. Are on the web a lot and watch videos. They have 6's and will get the 7's being on a 2 year cycle. Sure millions of others agree with them. Thought about getting my wife an SE at year end. She only has a 5 compliments of her son. She will never get a large screen either. But, is a minimal user.
 
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Ah okay. I guess for someone still on 5s it is less obvious lol.

I think your screen size is worth noting but fairly subjective.

Once I made the jump to 6 Plus, I can never go back to a smaller screen. I thought it was huge at first, but now other phones look so much smaller. I have older eyes as well, so that makes a difference to me.
 
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I would be surprised if their prices go up this cycle. Their sales of iPhones are down and are projected to be lower this year as well. They will need to be competitive, but you never know with Apple.
It's possible that the higher prices are in part to combat the predicted fall in iPhones sold. After all, market share is only the means, but profit is the ultimate end goal.
 
There have been numerous articles posted over the past few months talking about the rumor of Apple removing the 3.5mm jack. If you look back at those articles, the numbers of responses are astounding and the vast majority of responses are from people furious about the potential (probably imminent) 3.5mm jack removal.

The 3.5mm jack is a universal standard across laptops, automobiles, desktops, music players, stereos, mobile phones, tablets, even in-seat audio jacks on most passenger airlines. Removing this standard is a complete slap in the face to millions of consumers who have spent a lot of money on high quality headphones, earbuds, speakers, etc. that all use the 3.5mm standard.

I know people love to compare removing the 3.5mm jack to eliminating the old floppy or CD, but those were upgrades to new standards embraced by the entire computer industry as a move forward in technology and convenience.

If removed, Apple will have taken away a reliable open standard, replacing it with their proprietary standard, and I'm confident virtually no other equipment manufacture will ever embrace Lightning (I'm not talking about headset/earbud manufactures, I'm talking about other desktop, laptop, tablet, stereo, phone, automobile, music player, and aircraft manufactures). You are never going to see widespread acceptance of Lightning on other devices.

With this potential bonehead decision Apple does not move us forward, they lock us into a standard they control/own and move us away from the mainstream into a segregated solution that is not even available on Apple’s own computer line ... which coincidently uses the 3.5mm audio jack.

So what might Apple give us in return, maybe they shave a faction of a millimeter (bid deal) from the phone's thickness, and/or maybe we get a second (or better) speaker because they want us to believe we need some kind of so-called “stereo sound”. It’s pathetic!

Give us back the 3.5mm jack and keep your second/improved speaker. We don’t need a so-called stereo in our pockets.

99% of the people isn't gonna care about the removal of the 3.5mm jack (because that's how many apple users use apple earbuds or headphones of less than 20 dollars), so why should Apple give in to the few that do care and have invested in good headpones, that's not how you get profit...
 
It's possible that the higher prices are in part to combat the predicted fall in iPhones sold. After all, market share is only the means, but profit is the ultimate end goal.
Prices could go up or process could go down or prices could stay the same.

If they go up they could lose sales. My local grocery raised the price of yogurt from 50 cents to 65 cents. A month later they lowered it to a "new low regular price" of 50 cents (which was, of course, the old low regular price). I didn't buy yogurt while it was 65 cents.

Raising prices to combat lower quantity sold won't be a good idea of it decreases the quantity sold even more. Every missed sale (especially from new customers) is a missed opportunity to earn revenue from Apple Music, Apple Pay, iCloud storage, iTunes movie sales and rentals, etc. Apple is still a primarily a hardware company but the shift toward more services revenue is noticeable.
 
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polee said--"I bought an SE last week. Not sure if I could do without the headphone jack. Also tired of carrying large phones. Am so happy with my smaller phone...Small is Beautiful!"




I agree with you 100% and won't go back to a smaller screen. But, it is still only our opinion. My son and his wife will never go to a large screen. I have touted my Plus's to them and they have no interest. Are on the web a lot and watch videos. They have 6's and will get the 7's being on a 2 year cycle. Sure millions of others agree with them. Thought about getting my wife an SE at year end. She only has a 5 compliments of her son. She will never get a large screen either. But, is a minimal user.
I guess us larger screen folks are a rare breed lol
 
Wi-fi is really convenient, but cables are faster.
I cabled my flat during the refurbishment and I have my Apple tv and my Mac connected via ethernet. With about 15 wi-fi networks available I experiences serious signal problems.

Bluetooth will improve a lot, but I agree on the fact that wired headphone will always sound better. The gap will narrow and bluetooth will be ok for most users (in fact it is a good option even today) but I imagine wires equipment will continue to be better even in the future
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The smart connector may become their only physical interface in the future. It carries data and power, so it can be used to charge the battery and to transfer data.

Good point about wifi. In dense urban areas it can be a real problem. Likewise for LTE. When I'm at the beach on a hot weekend afternoon, it can be impossible to carry on a simply text chat even though I have a full signal. I suspect BT will have similar issues when a room full of BT devices are all competing for the same airwaves. It's clearly a problem that one can only assume is at the top of the list to solve as wireless devices proliferate exponentially.

And yes, the smart connector. I suppose it's still possible they will include it in the announcement Wednesday, but it seems unlikely given the leaks.

The only comment I take exception with is "the fact that wired headphone will always sound better".

I don't know why it would be that wired headphones will always sound better. If interference issues are eliminated, and the data stream is lossless, and power isn't an issue, then the sound reproduction will be as good as the equipment converting the data to analogue, regardless what side of the transmission it's on. Since headphones don't need the kind of equipment external speakers do to reproduce adequate sound, I can certainly imagine a day when wireless headphones equal the wired ones for even the most discriminating ear, and in the very near future.
 
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Can't wait for Apple to kill the jack on Wednesday.


Same here. The biggest treat will be watching the angst fest going on here right before our eyes from those with phones from other manufacturers, whining tiny rants about the removal and how Apple is so doomed because of that.
 
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Once I made the jump to 6 Plus, I can never go back to a smaller screen. I thought it was huge at first, but now other phones look so much smaller. I have older eyes as well, so that makes a difference to me.

I'm the same way, but I understand that some are much happier with smaller phones. (I say phones rather than screens because I think that a small phone with a large folding display could be attractive if it becomes possible technically.) It comes down to the ability to use the phone with one hand—I can do it with my 6 Plus, but it's not easy—and ease of carrying it around in a pocket. My iPhone is too large for most pants pockets, and I struggle to find shirt pockets that are roomy enough.
 
If I was coming off at disrespectful I'm sorry, guess for me it's harder to go back I'm using a 6 plus and to me it's normal I guess lol

Not at all disrespectful, just wanted to be clear on the outdated tech you referenced.

I wanted to be sure the processor and front camera were not what you were referencing.
 
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The big difference is that you might use it in a car as an iPod and a GPS and need both of the ports if the car is not supporting bluetooth....
If the head unit doesn't support BT, it's old and cruddy.

In the UK, BT head units start at about £50/$60, so far better to invest in a nice new head unit.
 
My biggest questions personally:

1. I have a iPhone 6. This would be my 2 year upgrade cycle so do I get the 7 or 7 plus. I have no doubts the screen is superior but my god do I hate feeling devices in my front pants pocket. I'm anti-large wallets...keys..etc. The slimmer the better. I chickened out on the 6 Plus in 2014 and got the 6 instead.

2. Is Apple actually going to do the iPhone 8 next year? I'd gladly wait for that if true. My only issue is that my iPhone 6 is cracked pretty bad and i'd like to upgrade but it's usable.
 
Actually many people due mourn the loss of the Ethernet port. I attended Apple WWDC this year and found it quite amusing that they had "download stations" that they encouraged people to use to download the new betas instead of over Wifi. They even provided the TB->Ethernet connectors to use. While Wifi is deemed "good enough" for many cases, there still is a benefit to wired ethernet (speed/reliability/latency/security). The same is to be said of BT vs. 3.5m. 3.5m provides better sound quality, reliability and latency that BT can't match.

As BT has matured and improved (now at 5.0) and the equipment too (early BT equipment was under engineered and flaky), eventually simply won't be true for humans hears. We're quickly closing in that. Just like 256 kb/s aac is excellent for 99.9999999999 of people who don't have superhuman ears. That's particularly the case in non ideal listening environment like cars and if you listen to most modern genre of music. If you listen to Jazz, folk, classical with the minimum of mastering, then you'll get something that actually can benefit from the best listening conditions and equipment.

In the case of Ethernet, the benefits of higher speed is tangible and will continue to be; this is not the case for our ears, eventually we won't hear the difference. That is a fact.
 
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Apple has historically removed things when a newer and superior cross platform standard was available. This is not the case this time.

Analogue sound quality is as good as it gets. Bluetooth is far, far worse. Lightning may sound similar enough to analogue but it's proprietary. Lightning headphones can't even be plugged into Macs for goodness' sake, let alone PCs or any other audio players.

This is a stupid move which is guaranteed to generate a huge backlash from reviewers and critics alike. It's bone headed in the extreme.
i guess I'm a little more optimistic to the change since I don't know one way or another if the sound is better or not since I haven't used the proposed technology myself.

I just think it's incredibly presumptuous for you and others to automatically assume the worst of something they haven't used for themselves yet. The truth is you don't know if the sound will be better or worse as a result of the change. You don't have the information to make the claims you are making. All you know is there is a risk associated with change. Even if the change turns out for the worse there is nothing stopping Apple or someone else from advancing sound technology going forward.

The truth is that anyone can set out to and successfully defy the technological limitations people have forced onto themselves. If it doesn't work Apple can always go back to the headphone jacks as they were or improve upon the change as Samsung did when OLED arrived on the scene.
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The iPhone is already far too thin. There is no benefit to anyone in making it thinner. Phone speakers are already fine given that their only purpose is alerts and phone ringers.

As for using both lightning and audio out at the same time, I do that all day Monday to Friday. My iPhone sits on my desk and I listen to audio on it via Apple Music, Audible and Pocketcasts. Without the power going into it the battery is pretty much dead by mid afternoon.
I'd appreciate a thinner phone in my pocket. It means my pockets can remain more empty and it makes the phone more manageable in awkward situations.
 
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This is why a lot of Americans are in debt. Everyone that "liked" this comment, how many of you have everything paid off? Like my 1.6 million home, 20 watches each costing $20,000 and up, just brought 2 BMW last month paid off. Yes I really could buy that $50,000,000 latest yacht but it's stupid cus i already got 1 already, yes it's 5 years old but it's paid off. I feel so bad for everyone just showing off that they can buy this phone but yet it's through monthly payments through your carrier. And yes the yacht cost more than the house but who cares. It's all paid off. Do I go show off and say, because we can. Only little kids do this.
Thanks Donald!
 
Most of the time I drive around my car I have my iphone charging through lighter socket, waze running and also connected to car's AUX input through headphone jack for music/internet radio.

I do the same thing except it connected through the lightening port and its not only playing music, but charging at the same time. Imagine That! :)
 
My biggest questions personally:

1. I have a iPhone 6. This would be my 2 year upgrade cycle so do I get the 7 or 7 plus. I have no doubts the screen is superior but my god do I hate feeling devices in my front pants pocket. I'm anti-large wallets...keys..etc. The slimmer the better. I chickened out on the 6 Plus in 2014 and got the 6 instead.

2. Is Apple actually going to do the iPhone 8 next year? I'd gladly wait for that if true. My only issue is that my iPhone 6 is cracked pretty bad and i'd like to upgrade but it's usable.

1) Would be open to returning/exchanging the device? Try the plus model for a few weeks and see how it goes; if its not your cup of tea so to speak, exchange it or return it. For myself, the plus model has a very intriguing dual camera lens...but they are too heavy and large for how I use smart phones. Especially talking on them....they look a bit on the comical side I find. Yet they have the more attractive features (better screen, better camera features in OIS, and now a likely better camera system + more RAM)

2) None of us really know for sure at this point, but reports indicate Apple has something special planned next year for their 10th anniversary device. Its interesting how some of the rumoured features for the iPhone 6s are now showing up in the iPhone 7 (darker "space grey" variant, 32GB base model, repositioned antenna lines) Also Apple is purportedly switching to a "Tick, Tock, Tock" cycle (like Intel is now doing, and perhaps a bit similar to what the original iPhone, 3G and 3GS sort of were?)

I think you should just get a new iPhone now if you need one. If you don't, then no harm in waiting.
 
I'd expect booing, at the mention of the removal of 3.5mm plug. But much like the press asking Hillary, in the 1st time they've been able to ask her questions in 100+ days, "How was your Labor Day weekend?" and "Are you ready?" - People are simply afraid to lose their access.

Time will tell whether this is a mistake or not. I'm greatly pushing towards mistake, but Apple doesn't care about my opinions on anything - see all glued in components for Macs.
 
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