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The only comment I take exception with is "the fact that wired headphone will always sound better".

I don't know why it would be that wired headphones will always sound better. If interference issues are eliminated, and the data stream is lossless, and power isn't an issue, then the sound reproduction will be as good as the equipment converting the data to analogue, regardless what side of the transmission it's on. Since headphones don't need the kind of equipment external speakers do to reproduce adequate sound, I can certainly imagine a day when wireless headphones equal the wired ones for even the most discriminating ear, and in the very near future.
There's a pretty strong argument to be made that wireless will eventually be better than wired: with wired you're stuck using whatever DAC and analog hardware that Apple is willing to pay for in your teeny tiny phone, and they're all in the massively high noise environment of that incredibly complex device that you've probably dropped enough times to crack a shield of two. Sound will only ever be as good as the weakest link in the chain.

In da future, the DAC and amp will be scalable to your budget and needs and reside in a well designed, shielded housing close enough to your ears that there isn't much of an analog path to be corrupted. It'll be pristine digital until the last possible moment and then converted by hardware of a quality you choose.
 
the reason they are removing the jack is simple. It allows them to force people into using a proprietary plug which allows them to charge a licensing fee which makes beats headphones more price competitive and they are hoping to sell more of them. They will include a dongle to satisfy customers but in the end people will lose their dongles or forget them enough times and just say screw it and buy new headphones which Apple will be able to cash in on

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Sure...

Of course...

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Actually many people due mourn the loss of the Ethernet port. I attended Apple WWDC this year and found it quite amusing that they had "download stations" that they encouraged people to use to download the new betas instead of over Wifi. They even provided the TB->Ethernet connectors to use. While Wifi is deemed "good enough" for many cases, there still is a benefit to wired ethernet (speed/reliability/latency/security). The same is to be said of BT vs. 3.5m. 3.5m provides better sound quality, reliability and latency that BT can't match.
And adaptors can provide that speed/reliability/latency/security benefit for those situations where you need it (both for Ethernet and 3.5 mm audio). In the case of Ethernet, almost always a stationary system is involved (ie, very rarely do you walk around with two devices connected via Ethernet) making the deployment of adaptors much easier.

If you are fighting a battle for Ethernet ports on laptops, you are fighting a rear-guard battle while the rest of troops have already left the battle theatre. A rate of 0.1% of Mac laptop users might still amount to what you call 'many people' but by far not enough to justify the inclusion of the port.
 
Very good news - if correct - that the iPhone 7 standard will also have 256GB option.

Good to read also they are including the FREE 3.5mm adapter in the box - a lot of folks thought I was crazy predicting this months ago.

I don't think it was a crazy prediction, it's very 'Apple'. However, they can shove the adaptor where the sun doesn't shine! None of my other devices need an adaptor which means I'd be plugging it and unplugging it from my headphones as I use them on multiple devices, and eventually the adaptor will break or be lost and then have to buy another one. This is the problem with ditching perfectly good standard. And please, please nobody say the sound quality will be better. In a lab it might be, but on a busy train, no it won't be. It doesn't matter how good your headphones are you will get some background noise or go deaf from turning them up to loud to drown out the external noise. So it's a pointless exercise for the consumer and an attempt by Apple to get us to by Beats headphones.
 
Which parts of the SE are using outdated tech? I know the FaceTime camera is older.
The display assembly is the same as on the 5s, I think. Certainly the display is the same (tests of colour gamut, accuracy, brightness, etc. have confirmed this). But I think the touch sensors in the display and some of the display electronics are also the same. If you add the Face Time camera, what you end up with is phone whose complete front assembly is the same as on the 5s. That probably includes also the proximity sensors, maybe also the top speaker and the home button.
 
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And adaptors can provide that speed/reliability/latency/security benefit for those situations where you need it (both for Ethernet and 3.5 mm audio). In the case of Ethernet, almost always a stationary system is involved (ie, very rarely do you walk around with two devices connected via Ethernet) making the deployment of adaptors much easier.

If you are fighting a battle for Ethernet ports on laptops, you are fighting a rear-guard battle while the rest of troops have already left the battle theatre. A rate of 0.1% of Mac laptop users might still amount to what you call 'many people' but by far not enough to justify the inclusion of the port.

It's the lack of options that's the problem. Other vendors do have models with Ethernet ports for those of us who need them. Apple assume an adaptor is good enough - it's not. They work loose, get lost, break, etc, etc. I'd rather have an option of a heavier laptop with an ethernet port, and I'd also like a matte screen. Again, choices that Apple will not provide because apparently it knows better than it's customers. the arrogance of the design team is astounding.
 
Is the dual camera a marketing gimmick or is it of any actual use?
It is very much of use. It is de facto the only way to significantly improve camera performance (beyond what image processing can do) in a device with that kind of thickness. For once you 'double' the effective sensor and lens entrance pupil which on its own would let you get the same image quality for a scene half as bright. But because the two images recorded by the two cameras are not 100% identical (having the slight lateral offset and possibly also a tiny temporal offset, one millisecond would be enough), the random noise in both recorded images is not correlated and the reduction in noise in the combined image is actually larger than having twice the sensor area would suggest. And you can vary the exposure between the two cameras and get a much larger dynamic range (reducing blown highlights even further than what standard HDR mode offers).

Another option is to have two different focal lengths (the angle of view where they overlap IQ improvements by combining the data is still possible).
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It's the lack of options that's the problem. Other vendors do have models with Ethernet ports for those of us who need them.
If you ever had the hope of having many options (beyond visuals like watchbands or phone cases) with Apple, you should throw it out right away. Apple doesn't do options (beyond a bare minimum) as a matter of core philosophy. Remember what Steve Jobs first action was when he rejoined Apple in 1997: Reducing the number of models offered drastically.
 
I don't think it was a crazy prediction, it's very 'Apple'. However, they can shove the adaptor where the sun doesn't shine! None of my other devices need an adaptor which means I'd be plugging it and unplugging it from my headphones as I use them on multiple devices, and eventually the adaptor will break or be lost and then have to buy another one. This is the problem with ditching perfectly good standard. And please, please nobody say the sound quality will be better. In a lab it might be, but on a busy train, no it won't be. It doesn't matter how good your headphones are you will get some background noise or go deaf from turning them up to loud to drown out the external noise. So it's a pointless exercise for the consumer and an attempt by Apple to get us to by Beats headphones.
Well! That'll show them!
 
I suppose they were unhappy with the Plus sales numbers, so wanted to offer another benefit. I already don't like that the larger screen is also better (and it is noticeable qualitatively).

So now, the Plus will have the new camera unit (kind of a gimmick, but still it is an improvement and has OIS), better screen, bigger screen, and much better battery life.

Too bad, I just can't get on board the large size.


the plus is simply too massive.. I already think the 6 form factor is too big but I put up with it.
But that they go further and differentiate the cameras I find it outrageous. Battery makes sense, it's bigger.. but come on.. they've taken out the headphone jack, surely that made some extra room for a second tiny camera.
 
It is very much of use. It is de facto the only way to significantly improve camera performance (beyond what image processing can do) in a device with that kind of thickness. For once you 'double' the effective sensor and lens entrance pupil which on its own would let you get the same image quality for a scene half as bright. But because the two images recorded by the two cameras are not 100% identical (having the slight lateral offset and possibly also a tiny temporal offset, one millisecond would be enough), the random noise in both recorded images is not correlated and the reduction in noise in the combined image is actually larger than having twice the sensor area would suggest. And you can vary the exposure between the two cameras and get a much larger dynamic range (reducing blown highlights even further than what standard HDR mode offers).

Another option is to have two different focal lengths (the angle of view where they overlap IQ improvements by combining the data is still possible).
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If you ever had the hope of having many options (beyond visuals like watchbands or phone cases) with Apple, you should throw it out right away. Apple doesn't do options (beyond a bare minimum) as a matter of core philosophy. Remember what Steve Jobs first action was when he rejoined Apple in 1997: Reducing the number of models offered drastically.

True, but it wasn't that long ago where there were options that were useful. No the options are not useful. You can only reduce options so far, beyond that you will lose sales.
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Well! That'll show them!

Probably not, that's the sad thing, Apple no longer makes products I want
 
Constant need to refresh three open tabs in Safari says otherwise.

still the fastest phone on the market...

edit - just tested this '3 open tab refresh' theory on my 6S and none of them had to refresh...
 
still the fastest phone on the market...

edit - just tested this '3 open tab refresh' theory on my 6S and none of them had to refresh...

Just trying to troll folks. Move along from that poster. 2GB of RAM was fine on my old 6S Plus.
 
2gig has never been enough. Any website with any animated media eats it up and requires a refresh. Not trolling at all. I've posted about this in the past. 2gig is simply not enough and the bottom end of what Apple can use to get a functioning iPhone while maximizing profits.
 
2gig has never been enough. Any website with any animated media eats it up and requires a refresh. Not trolling at all. I've posted about this in the past. 2gig is simply not enough and the bottom end of what Apple can use to get a functioning iPhone while maximizing profits.

2 gig is fine when you have the fastest phone on the market.

I'd rather have apps open and work faster than worry about a refresh on a fourth tab in safari.

just out of interest could you give me 3 websites that someone might use that are animated media heavy? Not that I don't believe it wont refresh, just want to try it out.
 
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2 gigs has been plenty for me on the SE. That said, always good to see more memory to handle more complex web pages and lots of apps.
 
Unnatural? That's amusing ;-)
I can think of many things often described as "unnatural", but phone charging methods haven't been mentioned in that category before.

To your question: why do you find it an odd practice? I have never done this, but wouldn't it seem a pretty normal thing to do if you want your battery to remain full/recharge, while listening to music?
Or while making many phone calls using headset and keeping the phone plugged into the power?
What's unnatural?

Well, when I'm listening to music moving around (exercising, or just simply moving) I am only using the headphone jack, not charging simultaneously. When I'm sedentary (studying, driving, reading etc) I'm really only using one port (my headphone jack), if my phone has to charge, I'm not listening to music. I understand it's not the same for everyone, and others have commented about it being a common thing. I still believe it to not be an inconvenience to remove the headphone jack, and i also believe that it won't be as big of a hurt to Apple as people would think. That's all.
 
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2gig has never been enough. Any website with any animated media eats it up and requires a refresh. Not trolling at all. I've posted about this in the past. 2gig is simply not enough and the bottom end of what Apple can use to get a functioning iPhone while maximizing profits.
perhaps you posted this around the 1gb iPhone 6 . And was saying 1gb was not enough. And now you are confused. I have even more than 5 tabs open on my 6s and don' t have reloads.
 
The display assembly is the same as on the 5s, I think. Certainly the display is the same (tests of colour gamut, accuracy, brightness, etc. have confirmed this). But I think the touch sensors in the display and some of the display electronics are also the same. If you add the Face Time camera, what you end up with is phone whose complete front assembly is the same as on the 5s. That probably includes also the proximity sensors, maybe also the top speaker and the home button.

Great point about the display, I overlooked that.

The recent reported display issues in the 6s have pushed be back to considering an SE.

Paradoxically, this point you raise pushes me closer to the SE.
 
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