So you're questioning some of us who don't consider the 8 a significant upgrade.
What features does the 8 have that makes you think its a significant upgrade from the 7?
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iPhone 8 Adoption Expectedly Lower After First Weekend of Sales as Customers Await iPhone X
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What features does the 8 have that makes you think its a significant upgrade from the 7?
You say lack of features and wow factor and when I ask you what those features and wow factor would be you tell me to ask Apple engineers. OK I’m sorry this is a cop-out. You’re call it it ho-hum but can’t tell anybody why which means you don’t really have a reason and are just following the media narrative that wants to see these devices as failures.
I'm sure same would happen (to lesser extent) even if there was no iPhone X.
There is NOTHING to get excited about with iPhone 8,it's a very outdated 4 years old design..when you got phones like Galaxy S8..in design department they simply KILL ancient giant bezel design of iPhone 8.
Honestly I felt stupid buying my iPhone 7 Plus few months ago since it already looked SO dated and outdate compared to high tech phones like S8 Plus..it is just my preference of iOS and the fact that I hate Android OS and have a Mac and Watch that led to buying iPhone again.and now there is iPhone 8 same thing!
no one wants that s***.lol and Apple has hiked the price also.they were over confident it seemed, and now iPhone 8 flopped.
iPhone X is there and will sell, but I'm concerned about the future iPhones, will there be 2 versions again? if not what will happen to pricing? $1000 become the norm?
There is NOTHING to get excited about with iPhone 8,it's a very outdated 4 years old design..when you got phones like Galaxy S8..in design department they simply KILL ancient giant bezel design of iPhone 8.
Honestly I felt stupid buying my iPhone 7 Plus few months ago since it already looked SO dated and outdate compared to high tech phones like S8 Plus..it is just my preference of iOS and the fact that I hate Android OS and have a Mac and Watch that led to buying iPhone again.and now there is iPhone 8 same thing!
no one wants that s***.lol and Apple has hiked the price also.they were over confident it seemed, and now iPhone 8 flopped.
iPhone X is there and will sell, but I'm concerned about the future iPhones, will there be 2 versions again? if not what will happen to pricing? $1000 become the norm?
Don't underestimate the number of people celebrating those 10 years of The Bezel
Oooh I am soo excited
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After handling it, I have to say the device is nice to hold, and has a great feeling of quality. I am not in need of a new phone (my 7 still works awesome), but would easily be a good upgrade for someone with a 6 or 6s, and has mixed feelings about the price and technology in the X .
Obviously there are people that are waiting for iPhone X release, but that’s not gonna make up the difference. I’m guessing less than of that will get the iPhone X and overall still lower than previous years. Apple already expected this hence they made the decision to make a more expensive version to makeup for the loss sales. Cook is really smart on running a very profitable company as what the board expected from him. So even though the overall sales is down the profit still good for Apple. One way or the other somebody is paying that difference and that’s obviously the iPhone X and Apple Watch LTE and some kickbacks from that $20 data plan. The future for Apple still bright when it comes to profit.
Yes, and 6s or older, its more of significant upgrade, but then do you want to spend 550/670 for the base iPhone 7 or iPhone 7 plus or 700/800 for the iPhone 8/8 plus.
Lack of features? Yeah you were clear but it didn't make any sense because there was plenty that was upgraded in the camera performance and the addition of wireless charging, which may not be exciting to you, but thrills me, even though I already do use it on my Samsungs. Some people don't like the True Tone display but I quite liked it in the store. I also appreciated the boosted stereo speaker volume. Just because the additional features and upgrades don't excite you, don't pretend there weren't any at all. Lack implies there was absolutely nothing upgraded or added. At the very least wireless charging is a new feature for the iPhones. Yes some Androids have had it, but by no means was it common to all of them, either. Pixel sure as heck didn't have it.
If it's magic you want, you're in luck because the engineers did come up with a way to turn you into a talking unicorn with iPhone X. If that's not magical, by golly I don't know what magical is, then.
I, on the other hand switched to another phone maker after being loyal apple user for 20 years. From the people i know, i am not the only one. Several others did as well, so it will be interesting to know the % of those who called it a day with Apple.
Someone correct me if I am wrong but these results are completely irrelevant with regards to the iPhone 8/+.
This is the people using an iPhone 8 in the first week via app analytics vs other phones apple have released in the past. This is the iPhone 8 that 100% of people who wanted one got one on the first day it was launched vs other iPhones that were on weeks back order because of the demand for them.
If you roughly equate these to sales figures then its not good news for the 8. They haven't got as many into peoples hands as previous iPhones have managed and they have probably reached most of their buyers. The other iPhones had sold far better at this point and thats ignoring the millions that would still not have got their device after the first weekend. Probably the vast majority.
This is the people using an iPhone 8 in the first week via app analytics vs other phones apple have released in the past. This is the iPhone 8 that 100% of people who wanted one got one on the first day it was launched vs other iPhones that were on weeks back order because of the demand for them.
If you roughly equate these to sales figures then its not good news for the 8. They haven't got as many into peoples hands as previous iPhones have managed and they have probably reached most of their buyers. The other iPhones had sold far better at this point and thats ignoring the millions that would still not have got their device after the first weekend. Probably the vast majority.
This may not be so much to do with shifting demand; rather that those who are holding out for the X are probably the 4.7 owners more than the Plus owners.
Its not a cop out, as a consumer I find the phone to be ho hum, especially compared to the the prior generation. Apple is charging premium prices and yet have not offered major features for some time. As a consumer I'm voicing my opinion (and voting with my wallet).
Not difficult?
"Hi welcome to the Apple Store. How can I help you?"
"I'd like an iPhone"
"Great, would you like the iPhone SE - it's available in 4 colours and in either 32GB or 128GB and starts at $469. We also have the iPhone 6S and iPhone 6S Plus, they come in 4 colours and in either 32GB or 128GB and starts at $739. If you don't like either of those we have the iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus, they come in 5 different colours and in either 32 or 128GB and starts at $899, then we also have the iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus, they come in 64GB or 256GB and starts at $1059. We also have the iPhone X that is coming later and cannot be preordered yet, but will starts at $1319. Each one of these phones comes with a different processor and has different levels of performance. Also, each has a different camera and capabilities. Which would you like?"
"(customer slowly backs out of the store while smiling and never breaking eye contact)"
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I guess it’s how one defines significant. I’m saying it in the context of the 6s > 7 vs the 7 > 8. I think the camera, A11 chip, Apple designed GPU, true tone display and wireless charging are all bigger upgrades than anything the 7 got. But I’m also one who thinks the smartphone is a mature product and there aren’t going to be major changes anymore. The changes are going to be incremental until we get another revolution like foldable displays or something. But I don’t see that becoming mainstream anytime soon.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/iphone-8-h8.2070522/#post-25095028
Two questions.
#1 - What can you do on an X, that you can’t do on an 8?
#2 - When comparing the 8 to the 7, I’ve listed all the improvements Apple made this year in the above link. However, let’s go back to the 6s. When the 6s was released, what was significant about its features that made it more of an upgrade than the 8?
I think its probably the best of the design. Looks the same but it is the finely tuned version. All kinks are worked out
I think the entire launch is a mess.
Both phones should have been released and be made available together.
There would be people thinking, "nah, I'll pony up the rest and get the more expensive one." Now you give them time to say, "But do I really need to spend all that extra money each month?"
And. The new phone had to be released after the return policy for people buying the 8 so you don't have a boat-load of returns sitting in the back of the store.
All in all, I don't think sales of the X (which the guy at AT&T store was calling the 'X' and not the Ten, isn't going to be all that.
But, we'll see...
Both phones should have been released and be made available together.
There would be people thinking, "nah, I'll pony up the rest and get the more expensive one." Now you give them time to say, "But do I really need to spend all that extra money each month?"
And. The new phone had to be released after the return policy for people buying the 8 so you don't have a boat-load of returns sitting in the back of the store.
All in all, I don't think sales of the X (which the guy at AT&T store was calling the 'X' and not the Ten, isn't going to be all that.
But, we'll see...
For me, it was th $670 vs $700 question, and I went with the 8. That will be the calculation made by a lot of upgraders
Right but you’re not saying why you think it’s ho-hum or what major features you think the phone is missing. When I ask you tell me to ask Apple engineers. To me that’s a cop out.
I'm really hoping its people taking a stand against small updates to a 3 year old design. Hoping people want something new and innovative and not just throwing cash at apple.
This will make apple actually giving us all they can physically accomplish which isn't what we have been seeing last few years.
But I think I'm wrong as the X will be successful. Im hoping this whole year and the X is a flop so apple actually DOES something again
Well you’re right, they’re wrong. Not everyone is waiting, people are just becoming less interested all together. A decline in iOS adoption shows this. Also a massive increase in Plus sales shows that customers are so bored that they’re now buying the Plus just to get something different. I knew people would start buying the Plus more after differentiating features started becoming more scarce. I bet a lot of people get the Plus-sized X model in 2018 and 2019 and after that iPhone sales start declining massively until they even out somewhere much lower than they are today.
Do you think Apple staggered them on purpose? We obviously don’t know their thinking but I have a feeling the X will be supply constrained and Apple didn’t want to wait to release the 8. I think if they had ample supply of the X ready they would have released them all at the same time.
The lineup is pretty saturated. I believe that Apple knew the 8 would not fair as well, thereby rebooting the iPhone with the X model. I think they didn't want to spook potential customers\sales by only releasing the "X." Thus, it's cheaper for them to make two models of the phone and let the market\demand naturally gravitate to the $1K price point.
Also, note that a lot of people in the US pay monthly installments for their phone, which will enable them to get the "X" as there isn't as much of an upfront cost.
Also, note that a lot of people in the US pay monthly installments for their phone, which will enable them to get the "X" as there isn't as much of an upfront cost.