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So if I am doing winter sports, I am going to have to take off my face protection rather than just taking off a glove? And if it's anything like Touch ID, I will have to have a face profile for day, night, winter, summer, dry, humid, shave day, non-shave day, good mood, bad mood, sunglasses, no sunglasses, etc. Oh but wait, I'm sure we'll be limited to five profiles.

Or worse yet, "Oh crap, I cut myself shaving,. Well, no phone today. :("

As Steve Jobs once said, I see this as a "Bag O' Hurt."
 
Some people facial hair style changes based on the season, I don’t think this will work.

If I have to raise my hand and look at my phone to unlock it, I’ll be skipping this model. A lot of times I unlock my phone and use while on the bed or on a desk with my finger. Sometimes i’m driving and I need to unlock my phone for my girlfriend, it’s so simple to unlock it with my finger as she’s holding it and I place my finger on Touch ID. Why would I want to pick up my phone and hold it to my face to unlock or pay for something? Touch ID is incredibly secure and fast, and the most convenient method of unlocking and paying. It makes sense to use your finger for unlock and authentication since your reaching out to either touch it or pick it up to hold in you hand at a comfortable position. People face changes your finger print doesn’t.
While I do not believe facial hair will impact it working (just reduce points of reference), I think you're correct on everything else
Or worse yet, "Oh crap, I cut myself shaving,. Well, no phone today. :("

As Steve Jobs once said, I see this as a "Bag O' Hurt."
hahah I don't think that would impact it, but funny nonetheless
 
Facial scan will not work when the phone is in your pocket. I keep it in my pocket while driving and have Siri read and send messages frequently. When she tells me "you'll have to unlock your iPhone first", I simply hit the touchID that I can easily feel while in my pocket, and I'm in business. If touchID is gone, and I have to pull out my phone to scan my face, then it's no longer a safe practice. This will be interesting to see how this plays out.
 
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The more I hear this, the more upset I get. I don't use Apple Pay, but Touch ID has become so flawless and easy, and I do not see facial recognition being better or easier to use. If this comes to fruition, I will look at other mobile options. A fingerprint sensor on the back is better than none at all.

And how do you know that?
Most likely it will work even if the phone is not perfectly aligned with your face since it's not using a normal camera sensor like samsung...so yeah, no need to dry your hands or take off your glove...lots of people commenting on something they didn't even use yet
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No more subtle unlocking in the car or in a meeting. Or in the dark?

What the problem with dark? Is not taking a picture...
 
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Whoever screwed up releasing this firmware is in deep trouble. I wonder if they fired them.
 
NO Touch ID under Glass use of Facial Recognition as a Fallback Loss of key convenience feature + loss of ApplePay ! the Biggest Privacy Issue Ever in the History of Tech !

companies will sell their Facial Recognition "databases" to Advertisers ! ...

There will also be breaches of security, in which Hackers obtain the databases of Facial Recognition images ... that alone should be a tremendous worry for everyone, NOT to mention governments passing Laws to get their hands on it as well !

This is a serious issue that simply isn't getting it's proper attention !

 
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Pearl ID clearly refers to our pearly whites. It will deny access to our iPhone if we haven't brushed our teeth! ADA approved.
Actually...it would be pretty funny if it required you to smile at your iPhone to authenticate for Apple Pay :D
 
And how do you know that?
Most likely it will work even if the phone is not perfectly aligned with your face since it's not using a normal camera sensor like samsung...so yeah, no need to dry your hands or take off your glove...lots of people commenting on something they didn't even use yet
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What the problem with dark? Is not taking a picture...

I'm assuming in a pitch dark environment facial recognition would struggle?
 
companies will sell their Facial Recognition "databases" to Advertisers ! ...
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This is a serious issue that simply isn't getting it's proper attention !

Uh, no. Facial recognition would likely be done the same way as fingerprints are today.

The 3D image info would be sent only to the Secure Enclave, to be turned into secret match templates.
 
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Getting rid of Touch ID is lame. Isn't like apple wants to do it, they couldn't work out getting an alternative Touch ID under the video screen.
 
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While many are skeptical that Touch ID can be replaced by a facial recognition system that's equally secure, rumors have suggested Apple's facial recognition technique captures more data points than a fingerprint scan, making it more secure than Touch ID.

Number of data points != security.

I simply do not believe that Apple has developed a facial recognition system which is able to match all variations of your face and reject false positives as well as a fingerprint scanner is able to.

We all know why this is happening: Apple is feeling the heat from Samsung, and they need a "me too" full-screen phone at whatever cost. It feels like the "Windows Vista" phone - something that was supposed to be a big deal, but was whittled down by compromises until it lost its the original ambitiousness. The 10th anniversary iPhone was supposed to make the Samsung Galaxy look like a BlackBerry. Now it's a catch-up product.

A full-screen iPhone with wireless charging and a much bigger price-tag is not a big deal. It sounds like they will have some fancy 3D camera effects for better AR. Cool, but nowhere near enough.
 
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Didn't Apple introduce the raise to wake feature so that we could stop blowing past the home screen with all our notifications. How is that going to work with Face-ID?? I'll look at my phone and it will unlock.
 
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Didn't Apple introduce the raise to wake feature so that we could stop blowing past the home screen with all our notifications. How is that going to work with Face-ID?? I'll look at my phone and it will unlock.

“It will unlock” is the key part. They also separated “locked” from “go to home”. You can unlock your phone without going to the home screen.
 
With more data coming in, I'm growing more confident that FaceID can replace TouchID. Three of those factors are the most important:

1. We now know that the new iPhone's front facing camera will work in the dark because it uses infrared.
2. We now know that iOS can identify objects at an angle. See AR and document scanning in iOS 11.
3. It uses 3D facial recognition which prevents scanning a photo to unlock.

This means that the iPhone can periodically check to see if it is being used by its owner. So like your AppleWatch near your Mac, your phone will always appear to be unlocked, as long as it's with you. If you walk away, it locks. If you put it in your pocket, it locks. If you throw it on the bed from across the room, it locks. To you, your phone is always unlocked. All other people will see your phone locked. For all intents and purposes, you'll always have an unlocked phone presented to you. This also extends to your Keychain so all of your passwords for all of your websites will all just work. No authentication necessary because you're looking at your phone and it knows it's you.


This all sounds like an improvement to me! There aren't any situations where the existing TouchID is better because it works in the dark and at an angle. If you have your phone on the desk, it can see you. If you can see the screen, it can see you.

A couple of practical improvements:

1. The "lock screen" can truly become a notifications screen. You can allow all your notifications to be shown here without worrying about prying eyes. When you lift your phone towards you, it shows all your notifications without a concern for privacy because it knows it's you. If a stranger lifts the phone, it shows a blank screen or just the time. The consolidation of notifications and the lock screen in iOS 11 makes a lot more sense in retrospect.

2. Auto lock can go away. You won't have to unlock your phone. As long as you're looking at it, it's unlocked. If you're not, then it's locked. No timing anything out, no having to lock your phone before walking away or putting it in your pocket. It just works.
 
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Facial recognition is real. iPhone pro 2 is going to have finger print scanner under the screen. That will continue to justify 3 models and allows Apple to get richer.

Tim is a genius.
 
Getting rid of Touch ID is lame. Isn't like apple wants to do it, they couldn't work out getting an alternative Touch ID under the video screen.

Or... Apple could keep the TouchID sensor where it is. Why change something if it isn't broken?

But then people complain "OMG huge bezels"

Am I the only one who doesn't care about that? I'm using a fat-bezeled iPhone 6S Plus... with a case! Yet the chin bezel is still smaller than my thumb. It never gets in my way.

There are now a handful of phones (out of thousands) that pretty much have all-screen fronts. Great?

So now we're losing the wonderful functional front-facing TouchID sensor in the race to slimmer bezels. Ugh.

If Apple wanted to reduce bezels... they could start with the sides. That would make the phone slimmer and easier to hold. An actual benefit.

But I've never been bothered by top-n-bottom bezels. They are used for something useful (earpiece, TouchID, etc)
 
Facial scan will not work when the phone is in your pocket. I keep it in my pocket while driving and have Siri read and send messages frequently. When she tells me "you'll have to unlock your iPhone first", I simply hit the touchID that I can easily feel while in my pocket, and I'm in business. If touchID is gone, and I have to pull out my phone to scan my face, then it's no longer a safe practice. This will be interesting to see how this plays out.

You don't think they've thought of that? What if you didn't ever again have to hear Siri saying "You'll have to unlock your iPhone first"?

The existing iPhone already has a rudimentary version of voice identification for Hey Siri activation. The next iPhone can very well have a few different levels of security: Voice ID for Siri requests, Face ID for access to unlocking the screen, and Retina ID for ApplePay payments.
 
will this be a problem for people who usually wear alot of makeup? i can imagine all my exs not able to open their phone in the morning :D

For it to work effectively, it needs to scan the "terrain" of your Exs' face and conclude that its the same girl who broke your heart.
 
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