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I can't wait to see people holding their phone up to their face to pay for stuff in stores. That's just going to be hilarious. Although I hardly ever really see people using Apple Pay so maybe it won't make a difference.

Also, get ready to hover over your phone while it lays on your desk to open it.

Ridiculous. Do you never look at your phone? I’m curious as to how you use your phone if you never look at the screen.
 
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I can imagine me at the supermarket now paying with my phone.

So I place my phone near the credit card swipe thingy and now bend over and shove my face in front of my phone.

Brilliant Apple!
You'll look pretty silly doing that, especially since it won't be necessary to use ApplePay with facial recognition.

Hopefully, Apple will release some how-to videos to keep people from trying to put their faces next to the credit card swipey thingy.
 
That works with the watch because it can know when it's taken off the wrist, it cannot work with the iPhone.

Sure it can, but in reverse. Whenever you put on the watch it syncs with the phone & at that point you verify by looking at the phone. If at any point in the day the connection is broken you have to re-verify, otherwise :apple:Pay is just touching the terminal with your phone, nothing else, no having to look at it unless the transaction above a certain value, end result more watches sold.

TBH, hopefully wont affect me as I use the watch, but honestly can't believe all the guff getting chucked about. It's the headphone jack all over again. Things are as bad as we all hoped. Touch ID will be gone. Phil will be sent out to deliver it as he has the courage & life will go on.
 
If the iPhone 8 (or whatever it will be called) doesn't have touchID in anyway, we are most likely never going to see TouchID under the Display. I doubt they would suddenly feel the need to add fingerprint scanning back, after hyping the **** out of facial recognition.
Yeah, they rarely go back on what they consider older technologies. We're not getting USB A ports back and I don't think they'd bring Touch ID back. Would almost make it look like the face scan was a mistake if they were to switch it back.
 
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I'm not sure this isn't going to be a clusterf**k. There are many financial institutions around the world that have only just gotten used to touchID as being sufficiently secure to use to connect to accounts and make transactions. I have no doubt it will cause banks to turn off Touch ID use if facial recognition is used.
 
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The scenario is pretty unlikely to be fair. Apple Pay is only available on iPhones that have touchID and you can only use the Pin if you've disabled touchID for Apple Pay.

This is not correct. If TouchID does not recognize your fingerprint, after a couple failures you're given the option to use your PIN instead.

I know this because it's happened to me. One of my thumbs has a scar on it, and TouchID is sometimes hit or miss. When it doesn't read my thumb correctly, a link is then presented which says something like "pay with passcode". It's actually a nice fallback... although nowadays I use my Watch rather than my iPhone when I want to use Apple Pay.
 
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This is not correct. If TouchID does not recognize your fingerprint, after a couple failures you're given the option to use your PIN instead.

I know this because it's happened to me. One of my thumbs has a scar on it, and TouchID is sometimes hit or miss. When it doesn't read my thumb correctly, a link is then presented which says something like "pay with passcode". It's actually a nice fallback... although nowadays I use my Watch rather than my iPhone when I want to use Apple Pay.

I stand corrected. Over these years of Apple Pay I’ve never had it happen. I just tested and you are correct.
 
It may not be the word “courage” after last fall’s removal of the headphone jack, but chances are they’ll be anothe cringe worthy adjective coming from Schiller on the stage or when pressed by the press afterward about this.

And when they get the TouchID working under the screen in 2018, the 8s will be hailed by Apple as listening to the consumers who wanted TouchID back, rather then the admittance of biting off more than they could chew in 2017.
 
Sure it can, but in reverse. Whenever you put on the watch it syncs with the phone & at that point you verify by looking at the phone. If at any point in the day the connection is broken you have to re-verify, otherwise :apple:Pay is just touching the terminal with your phone, nothing else, no having to look at it unless the transaction above a certain value, end result more watches sold.

TBH, hopefully wont affect me as I use the watch, but honestly can't believe all the guff getting chucked about. It's the headphone jack all over again. Things are as bad as we all hoped. Touch ID will be gone. Phil will be sent out to deliver it as he has the courage & life will go on.
It has absolutely no comparison to the headphone jack. None. I can explain that but I don't think I should even bother because what I've found is that you don't really convince people they're wrong online, they just hone in on their fallacies.
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It may not be the word “courage” after last fall’s removal of the headphone jack, but chances are they’ll be anothe cringe worthy adjective coming from Schiller on the stage or when pressed by the press afterward about this.

And when they get the TouchID working under the screen in 2018, the 8s will be hailed by Apple as listening to the consumers who wanted TouchID back, rather then the admittance of biting off more than they could chew in 2017.
Of all the things I read people think about what will be or what should be, this idea that Apple would remove Touch ID because they couldn't place it under the display, and then bring it back when they could is actually the most embarrassing thing of all.

Simply put: it would never happen.
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3d touch+swipe up.
Hahaha. No.
 
The facial recognition seems a bit ludicrous to me. There are many more potential failure paths and awful user experiences with facial recognition than with fingerprint. With facial recognition I have to ensure that my partial/complete face is always in front of the phone. With a fingerprint I can still unlock it even if the screen is not directed towards me and glance at it.
 
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Could a 3D printed face fool the FaceID ?
That's plausible actually. Unless apple's software is sophisticated enough to recognize the reflectivity difference between human skin and other objects.
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The facial recognition seems a bit ludicrous to me. There are many more potential failure paths and awful user experiences with facial recognition than with fingerprint. With facial recognition I have to ensure that my partial/complete face is always in front of the phone. With a fingerprint I can still unlock it even if the screen is not directed towards me and glance at it.
This is why Touch ID still exists and it is the methodology for which a user purchases things with Apple Pay.

I, decided to think critically about why having facial recognition in concert with Touch ID would be the experience that takes security and ease-of-use to an entirely new level. Touch ID is the ease-of-use for Apple Pay, and the fact that it is known by hundreds of millions of people. It requires no adjustment and works 99% of the time, no matter where the phone is, even if it's camera is completely blocked or it's held at a completely oblique angle such as when paying at an Apple Pay terminal. Now, with facial recognition you're looking at a much more finicky methodology. This to me would be one where you'd use it when you know the phone is being held and the user is looking at it in close range, so basically whenever a user is actively using the device (not paying). So let's say it takes hundredths of a second to authorize..you could theoretically lock apps and have them unlock seamlessly without the user even being distracted by a label. Just as an example: you go into notes and tap a locked note, and it immediately takes you into it because it scanned your face as you tapped it, whereas Touch ID could not do this, even if it was built under the entirety of the display, because never could you tap that quickly and have it read a fingerprint.

In my opinion facial recognition can be augmentative to Touch ID, not a replacement. It can be the computer's constant knowledge that the correct user is using the device, as opposed to constantly checking the user's fingerprint when navigating the device.
 
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I don't doubt Apple is working on implementing facial recognition with this new iPhone, but I don't see it completely replacing touch ID this soon. Not without making sure it's going to create a really good customer experience. I can see Apple not implementing touch ID underneath the 5.15 inch section of the usable OLED screen, but I can't see why it couldn't be implemented into the "function area" that's rumored to be on the bottom.
 
It's not like Tim to take something out right?

Really hope they don't try to make Apple Pay better on the Watch by crippling it on the phone.
 
loss of ApplePay ! the Biggest Privacy Issue Ever in the History of Tech ! companies will sell their Facial Recognition "databases" to Advertisers ! ...
There will also be breaches of security, in which Hackers obtain the databases of Facial Recognition images ... that alone should be a tremendous worry for everyone,
I really don't know where to begin with this BS:

"loss of ApplePay ! " - No, you don't trust facial recognition then use a passcode just like you can right now:
"Every transaction on your iPhone, iPad, or Mac requires you to authenticate with Touch ID or your passcode"
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201469

"companies will sell their Facial Recognition "databases" to Advertisers !" - No, the facial recognition "database" is stored on your phone which simply says "yes" or "no" to authentication.

"Hackers obtain the databases of Facial Recognition images" - No, TouchID stores images of your finger print in the secure enclave on your phone, has this ever been hacked? No. Your facial recognition model will be stored in the same secure enclave.

What should be a "tremendous worry for everyone" is how little the average smart-phone user understands technology.
 
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I really don't know where to begin with this BS:

"loss of ApplePay ! " - No, you don't trust facial recognition then use a passcode just like you can right now:
"Every transaction on your iPhone, iPad, or Mac requires you to authenticate with Touch ID or your passcode"
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201469

"companies will sell their Facial Recognition "databases" to Advertisers !" - No, the facial recognition "database" is stored on your phone which simply says "yes" or ""no" to authentication

"Hackers obtain the databases of Facial Recognition images" - TouchID stores images of your finger print in the secure enclave on your phone, has this ever been hacked? No. Your facial recognition model will be stored in the same secure enclave.

What should be a "tremendous worry for everyone" is how little the average iPhone user understands technology.

I thumbs upped your post because you covered most of what I intended to reply but “how little the average iPhone user understand technology” is a bit of an aberration. I’d be more inclined to say the average smartphone user, or even computer user in general.
 
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I thumbs upped your post because you covered most of what I intended to reply but “how little the average iPhone user understand technology” is a bit of an aberration. I’d be more inclined to say the average smartphone user, or even computer user in general.
You're correct of course, I guess I just live in an Apple land, I'll change it to your suggestion.
 
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I really don't know where to begin with this BS:

"loss of ApplePay ! " - No, you don't trust facial recognition then use a passcode just like you can right now:
"Every transaction on your iPhone, iPad, or Mac requires you to authenticate with Touch ID or your passcode"
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201469

"companies will sell their Facial Recognition "databases" to Advertisers !" - No, the facial recognition "database" is stored on your phone which simply says "yes" or "no" to authentication.

"Hackers obtain the databases of Facial Recognition images" - No, TouchID stores images of your finger print in the secure enclave on your phone, has this ever been hacked? No. Your facial recognition model will be stored in the same secure enclave.

What should be a "tremendous worry for everyone" is how little the average iPhone user understands technology.

Thank you thank you thank you. Majority of people on here don't seem to get it.
 
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