I really hope they don't ditch TouchID. This sounds worse than having to enter a password. Being able to quickly open the phone in a meeting to check email or at a red light to change a music track is so much better than facial recognition or entering a password. I imagine whatever technology Apple uses for facial recognition will be hacked in some way within a year of it's release as well.
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So what? Not every product has the same features. The MacBook Pro has Touch ID because there is room for it. No room for it on the new iPhone, but Face ID will obviously be great.
well, touchid was "hacked" within 48hrs of it's release according to this source: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...ackers-trick-apples-touchid-security-feature/. I presume that this attack takes some decent level of skill and a facial recognition "hack" will require the same... Now, I have not heard of any true hack of the data store for the touchid and that's the really important part. if you can lift the Credit Card data and touch id from another phone easily and use it on a different device, then we'd have a problem...
Also, with other things we've seen in that firmware, it eludes to gaze detection and other useful features so the phone will know when you're looking at... I imagine that they'll be able to show you the lock screen without touching the phone just by you looking at it while it's sitting on your desk... That would be really cool.
1. Extend arm and hold iPhone against payment terminal to invoke Apple Pay.
2. Withdraw arm and stare at iPhone to authenticate.
3. Extend arm and hold iPhone against payment terminal to complete transaction.
Honestly, this shouldn't be difficult to implement.
Apples to oranges comparison. Apple Maps was purely software-based for the end user and they were able to remedy the problems through various, constant updates. FaceID will be hardware-based, security-based, and meant to replace one of *the* key features of iPhone. There is zero room for a lackluster implementation.
If anything, the Apple Maps debacle should be even more reason for them to get this right.
It's amazing to me how many people work so hard to find circumstances where facial recognition might be an issue (oh no, I'm skiing and now I have to uncover my face instead of just a glove) completely ignoring the fact that you can always use your PIN
Serious first world problems
Serious first world problems
I wonder also how facial scanning can be as reliable or secure as a fingerprint.
My face changes a lot depending on tiredness, levels of hydration, illness, levels of growth etc etc.
Sure there’s a PIN but the point of Touch ID was the convenience and speed with which it unlocked. If it can’t work as consistently, reliably and securely as Touch ID then it’s a step backwards.
I wonder if a less sensitive Touch ID will be used in combination with Face ID.
Apple Pay is already pretty tenuous in the US so I could see people simply stop using it entirely if Apple gets this wrong.
Unless it works from two-three feet away, at oblique angles, then it's fundamentally worse than Touch ID for Apple Pay. No one wants to correct how or where they hold their phone to authenticate a payment. Imagine being in a checkout line and holding your phone up to your face. I would never do that to save me.
What are you guys talking about...? Your face does not change to this system....
Imagine you place your face inside a bowl to make a mold. That is what the infrared light creates when it bounces off your face and is analyzed by the sensors. It has a picture of bone structure, distances between eyes, nose, mouth, etc..
Lmaoo thank you! Everyone is overreacting and going crazy. Holy...
Watch come launch time majority of these people will be like "WOW INSTANT BUY!"
Apple Pay is about Touch ID speed. Look it up. It's not about 'Guys just type your passcode in and pay'. It's about 'Guys you hold your phone up, rest your finger on the home button for less than 1 second, and you just payed with high security'
No. No one is overreacting. They're intelligent enough to realize that this methodology may be far inferior TO WHAT THEY HAVE. In other words: your phone may be significantly worse. No one wants to type in pass codes in 2017. Realize that.
Yeah, now all my fingers are useless and I have to buy a face? Thanks a lot Apple.
You're right. When Apple Pay is advertised it always involves Touch ID. However... Most people have short enough passcodes where it only takes 1-3 seconds to type it in. And then boom: Payment Accepted.
I'm sure Face ID will be very quick as well. We just won't know until the event happens. I'm pretty sure they have it figured out...
Far inferior? Not at all. Slightly inferior yeah, but I don't think people will be freaking out in the way that this forum depicts.
What if it works this way: You're holding your phone, Face ID verifies you and you're free to use Apple Pay and other things until your phone feels that it has left your hands. Probably not, but who knows. Just gotta wait and see.
I really get scared when I hear that we don't get TouchID. Removing features and increasing price is not really my thing...
why is it even rumored that this iPhone will eventually cost $1000 or higher?
why is it even rumored that this iPhone will eventually cost $1000 or higher?
That is ridiculous and defeats the point of Apple Pay. To be honest I was never and still am not a fan of facial recognition because it just seems clunky given the fact that your face is not moveable in the same way a finger is.
That works with the watch because it can know when it's taken off the wrist, it cannot work with the iPhone.
Some people facial hair style changes based on the season, I don’t think this will work.
If I have to raise my hand and look at my phone to unlock it, I’ll be skipping this model. A lot of times I unlock my phone and use while on the bed or on a desk with my finger. Sometimes i’m driving and I need to unlock my phone for my girlfriend, it’s so simple to unlock it with my finger as she’s holding it and I place my finger on Touch ID. Why would I want to pick up my phone and hold it to my face to unlock or pay for something? Touch ID is incredibly secure and fast, and the most convenient method of unlocking and paying. It makes sense to use your finger for unlock and authentication since your reaching out to either touch it or pick it up to hold in you hand at a comfortable position. People face changes your finger print doesn’t.
If I have to raise my hand and look at my phone to unlock it, I’ll be skipping this model. A lot of times I unlock my phone and use while on the bed or on a desk with my finger. Sometimes i’m driving and I need to unlock my phone for my girlfriend, it’s so simple to unlock it with my finger as she’s holding it and I place my finger on Touch ID. Why would I want to pick up my phone and hold it to my face to unlock or pay for something? Touch ID is incredibly secure and fast, and the most convenient method of unlocking and paying. It makes sense to use your finger for unlock and authentication since your reaching out to either touch it or pick it up to hold in you hand at a comfortable position. People face changes your finger print doesn’t.
Hahaha. We're all very glad you aren't working at Apple
How do you pay on a contactless terminal, with your phone without Touch ID?
What strange movement do you have to do so your iPhone scans your face while you’re holding it against the terminal?
Is that fast faster that while holding your phone with your hand putting a finger to use Touch ID against the contactless terminal?
What strange movement do you have to do so your iPhone scans your face while you’re holding it against the terminal?
Is that fast faster that while holding your phone with your hand putting a finger to use Touch ID against the contactless terminal?