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iPhone 8 flopping already...
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How do we know when we have no idea what supply is compared to previous years?
Oh, well then, I guess it's a confirmed flop after all!
Everyone, did you hear that? It hasn't sold out as fast in Australia as it usually does!
Seriously though, people complain that the supply was inadequate if you have to order in the first 30 seconds to get a launch day delivery, but when it's not like that it's a flop? Maybe, for once, Apple has actually produced sufficient supply of a product to meet a reasonable amount of demand? It's the definition of being a victim of their own success. People will consider any Apple launch a failure if people can actually buy the product when it goes on sale.
And it should pretty basic reasoning that we cannot judge how fast it's selling when we don't know the supply. We all know that the 8 is launching in the shadow of the X, so it's not going to be a record breaker, but Apple knows that too. It was planned that way.
just because there was no slip in shipments doesn't mean its a flop... Apple could have plenty of inventory... this isn't a brand new design save for the glass so they have machines in place and schematics to mass produce this thing.
i have no clue on sales figures but it would stand to reason the 8 would underperform for a few reasons.
1. The X is out in a little over a month
2. The 8 isnt much of an upgrade even over the two year old 6. even if it were an S model it would be underwhelming
1. The X is out in a little over a month
2. The 8 isnt much of an upgrade even over the two year old 6. even if it were an S model it would be underwhelming
Apple thought more people would buy the 5c. Lower that price analysts screamed. It backfired. People overwhelmingly bought the 5S. There's a lot on here that don't seem to understand Apple's market. They are, for the most part, high end. Whether they're getting the X because of looks, design, tech, or whatever. Apple dressed up the iphone 6 and calls it an iphone 8 but the market knows better.
That's not to say there aren't those out there focused on price. That's who the 8 is for. You can mention OLED to these people and they just shrug at you. 4K? Pfft. A11 processor? who cares..just tell me the price? That's not to say that all who buy the 8 don't appreciate specs. Just as not all who buy the X will either and instead only care about how it looks.
I know I only care about specs and latest tech. I want the X because of its screen (primarily) and front camera tech. This stuff doesn't mean much to many I know. There's many talking about how ugly the notch is. Pfft..I couldn't care less about it. It's pricier, but the resale is up as well. It's a wash and immaterial to me. If you're living paycheck to paycheck, and are already struggling in debt, I can understand being priced out.
Im saving this post to revisit in a few months after Apple announces they sold 10s of millions of new iPhones.
How is the 8 not much of an upgrade? Just because it doesn’t look completely different aesthetically? That’s ridiculous. There’s not much you can do with form factors anymore so the changes are really coming from the inside. And the 6 is nowhere close to the 8 in terms of the hardware technology inside the device.
Because this is a forum where you discuss things. Thats how humans talk to each other. You don't just wait for things to happen, you talk about them and what you think might happen.
I don't agree with this. Let's just say, for the benefit of the doubt, that you are right and most are waiting for the X. Apple is not going to have enough production to meet initial demand of that phone, and it looks like they are not able to produce them in high enough quantities to sell anywhere close to what they sold in the same quarter as last year. If people are avoiding the 8 waiting on the X, Apple is going to have a pretty dismal quarter as they won't come close to previous year's sales with the limited supply of the X. That is going to play havoc on their stock because growth is about the only metric that Wall St. cares about. If the majority of your customers are waiting to buy something that you aren't able to sell them, that's bad.
The one good thing I see out of this is that maybe it will be the kick in the ass that Apple needs to stop selling us last year's, and the year before and the year before, stuff at today, and tomorrow's, prices.
If product A makes 1 million units and sells 1 million exactly in the first day and product B makes 100 units and sells 1,000 exactly in the first day, is Unit A a flop and Unit B the hottest thing since sliced bread?
I don't agree with your second point. It's internals are the same as the X. Coming from a 6, it's a 3 generation step up in processor (with benchmarks that rival the Macbook Pro, if I'm not mistaken), much better camera (especially for the Plus), and either twice or three times the RAM depending on if you're talking about the regular or Plus respectively.
Where are you seeing that? With the exception of T-Mobile, almost everything on all the other carriers is still next Friday.
Historically, these are called S upgrades. Updating the guts and adding a feature like touch ID or in the current case, wireless charging. Same screen (although slightly improved but same res). Same design. Same rescaling. It's still worth an upgrade as we have done so in the past. But throw out an X phone with upgraded everything and it changes things.
I don't think the 8 will flop and who really cares if it does. It serves Apple's purposes.
I find it interesting that there are folks in here who are arguing against the idea that this has been an unimpressive launch day. There's really not much to argue - we all know how these days go every year. Within SECONDS of pre-order opening up, most (if not all) configurations are bumped out 1+ weeks past launch day. That is not the case for this launch. It IS different this year.
Now, the deciding factor will come on October 27th. Most are thinking that today's launch is a bad sign for the X preorder - everyone wants it. I'm not entirely convinced...I think there's a chance we could see a similar situation to today which would indicate that people are skipping out this year. We've never really seen such disappointment/backlash after an Apple event. It will be interesting to see how the 27th plays out.
Now, the deciding factor will come on October 27th. Most are thinking that today's launch is a bad sign for the X preorder - everyone wants it. I'm not entirely convinced...I think there's a chance we could see a similar situation to today which would indicate that people are skipping out this year. We've never really seen such disappointment/backlash after an Apple event. It will be interesting to see how the 27th plays out.
Actually thanks to the internet its easy to see.
12:32AM orders were pushing into November.
Agree to a certain extent. Its not just the 8 and 8+ that is lacking interest. I think its the entire line up. The X will still porbbaly sell out though due to lack of inventory, but i dont think it'll break sales record. If it does it based on revenue and not sales unit.
I probably won't be the best selling Iphone because of supple restraints, that is the only reason for the 8 and 8 plus exist, too help with the number of Iphones sold this year.
This is all you need to know:
http://markets.businessinsider.com/stock/AAPL-Quote
Apple is up .5% in early trading which indicates a positive market response to early info/news on pre-orders. Need to keep an eye on it throughout the day.
edit: there’s no way this launch is a “flop” by any stretch - especially considering the staggered release of the 8/8+ and X, Apple will sell a ton of new phones
http://markets.businessinsider.com/stock/AAPL-Quote
Apple is up .5% in early trading which indicates a positive market response to early info/news on pre-orders. Need to keep an eye on it throughout the day.
edit: there’s no way this launch is a “flop” by any stretch - especially considering the staggered release of the 8/8+ and X, Apple will sell a ton of new phones
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I honestly think the 8 and 8 plus will sell really well however I think the X will sell even better but not by a significant margin.
Nobody is “butthurt”. You simply made a poor assumption and people called you out on it.
Excellent article by Mr. Blass yesterday.
https://venturebeat.com/2017/09/14/apples-new-iphone-lineup-and-the-trough-of-indecisiveness/
https://venturebeat.com/2017/09/14/apples-new-iphone-lineup-and-the-trough-of-indecisiveness/
Disappointment and backlash? From who? The X was pretty impressive. 4K apple tv was long coming. As was LTE watch. Last year was a yawn compared to this year. Hopefully there's many that feel as you do for no reason so the stock can fall a bit. I need to buy some more.