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Feels like it could be a planted leak to flush out a source? Or just someone pulling something out of their ass for clicks.

Unless Apple have some fundamental iOS19 feature for the 'Dynamic Island' UI, then I'd expect them to differentiate it with a notch. Otherwise they'll be saying goodbye to half of all base level iPhone 15 / 16 sales.
 
I don't think so it will be good till 2029, I am even scared to update it to iOS 18, every year the phone will slow down and lag a lot. My iPhone 7 was not usable after 3 years, same thing happened to my mothers iPhone 12.
You should stay away from iOS 18 and beyond even though it wouldn’t bog down your iPhone:

iPhones 13 and older only have 4GB RAM (or less).

And in my view that’s just enough to run iOS 18 but not enough to do so smoothly.

iOS 18 also doesn’t offer much additional features that iOS 17 didn’t have.

Only Apple Intelligence is a genuine addition that isn’t available in iOS 17.

But your iPhone doesn’t support AI so there’s no reason to move to iOS 18.
 
The value/$ of this SE 4 reminds me a lot of what we got in the (excellent) 1st gen. iPhone SE.

The original SE launched in Q1-Q2 and was based on the 5S but had most of the internals of the 6S.
I hung on to my first-gen SE all the way out until the iPhone 12 Mini was released

But the value prop for the SE vs the 6S was clear, you were getting the old design, you were getting a small screen. I don't understand how 16 is a significantly better phone than this new SE. Is it just the camera and couple dinky features? It's weird.
 
Dynamic Island is just too recent to already land in an iPhone SE.

An "SE 4" would just be either an iPhone 12, 13 or 14 with a few internal upgrades to match some of iPhone 16's specs.

But that kind of formulaic SE relies primarily on parts from an older model. It wouldn't get Dynamic Island. Not even iPhone 14 got that.

The budget iPhone they're talking about here sounds more like an "16E" than an "SE 4" to me.
 
I like all the outdated features. It's all the phone I want and need. The price should be lower given how old the internals are, yet I just bought one last November.
You have the same design and all price points down to even iphone 6 selling for $20 on ebay
 
thank goodness for apple is bloating their product categories with numerous barely different variations of the same thing. *checks notes* definitely this never was a bellwether of a company thats adrift.
 
I like all the outdated features.
I know people who still very much prefer Touch ID—well, the home button really. It provides such a simple way ‘home’ when a user gets lost and couldn’t be easier to teach to non-tech-savvy folks.

It’s a little weird to me that Apple still thinks a second mouse button is too confusing for us all, but a physical home button has no place in its phone lineup. 🫤
 
I hung on to my first-gen SE all the way out until the iPhone 12 Mini was released

But the value prop for the SE vs the 6S was clear, you were getting the old design, you were getting a small screen. I don't understand how 16 is a significantly better phone than this new SE. Is it just the camera and couple dinky features? It's weird.
In the end, it comes down to starting price.

Surely, SE 4 with 8/128 and Dynamic Island can’t start at $429? And $499 still seems too low.

If this SE really has Dynamic Island then it must be borrowing its entire display and all front facing components from iPhone 15? So it’s like an iPhone 15 with single camera and no action button but 8/128 and AI support?

I really can’t get this to add up unless the price is closer to the $799 than to $429

Price and value/$ has to be something like:

  1. iPhone 16 $799
  2. iPhone 16E(SE4) $599-$699
  3. iPhone 15 $499-$599
iPhone 15 is $699 right now. Would Apple drop it down more than $100 when SE4 launches? I don’t think so.
 
This is pretty much an iPhone 16 without the ultra-wide camera and Camera Control. Seems too good for an SE.

SE's have sort of always been like that upon release, relatively modern guts inside a dated design (which ironically is still current), & single camera for a sharp price. Upon release they're exceptional value; but they have long lifecycles so by the end they're pretty dated and their price never really drops much during the 2-3 years they're sold.
 
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