iPhone With Apple Pencil Support Could Launch 'As Early As 2019'

[cmichaelb]

Or charging a mouse on the bottom so it's unusable on charge.

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I'm so sick of this argument. When do you have to charge t while trying to work? Turn it off at night to save battery,charge overnight, you get a 8-9 charge in two minutes so you can plug it on restroom breaks etc.

I use mine for e work and home and never find the bottom lightning port a hindrance.

Now, if you want to talk about the sharp edges on the top portion that needed to be lightly sanded down, I couldn't agree more.

 

[44267547]

Most have little use for a stylus on their phone. I don't see this happening. Heck, most don't have a need for one on their tablet either, which is why the Apple Pencil isn't included with the iPad.

I'll believe it when Apple announces it. Until then, it's very unlikely.

I also don't believe this rumor at all. I understand the Apple pencils functions and how it's used for a larger template like the iPad for sketching/drawing and editing. But I don't see Apple venturing onto the path with an Apple Pencil for the iPhone. And even if Apple did release an iPhone that has Apple Pencil support, they would never include it with the iPhone and they would sell it separately.

However, I do like the uses what an Apple Pencil could have the potential to do on an iPhone display. When Using the Note 8 for example, I like how it's built in to the phone and all its capabilities that it offers.

 

[Delgibbons]

Perhaps you should read up on what color management actually is. Because Android doesn’t have it (Oreo finally added it, but the Note 8 isn’t running Oreo).

Having a display that can reproduce a wide color gamut doesn’t mean it’s actually rendering content correctly.

*cough* I refer to the independent LAB TESTS on the Samsung Galaxy colour management.

· Note 8 and S8 Multiple Screen Modes and Color Management

One very important capability of the Galaxy Smartphones that is often overlooked by many consumers and reviewers, is the set of user selectable Screen Modes that are available under Display Settings, which we cover and measure each one in detail below. Most Smartphones and Tablets only provide a single fixed factory display Color Gamut and color calibration, with no way for the user to alter it based on content, personal preferences, running applications, or Ambient Light levels. A very important capability provided by the OLED Galaxy Smartphones is the implementation of Color Management that provides a number of user selectable Screen Modes, each with different Color Gamuts and levels of Color Saturation and display calibration based on user and application preferences. Color Management with multiple and varying Color Gamuts are a very useful and important state-of-the-art capability that all manufacturers will need to provide in the future.

The measured Color Gamut of the AMOLED Cinema screen mode is a very accurate 104 percent of the Standard DCI-P3 Color Gamut, and the measured Absolute Color Accuracy is a very accurate 3.4 JNCD, which is very likely considerably better than your living room 4K Ultra HD TV. The Galaxy Note8 is one of the first displays to reach full 100% of the DCI-P3 as the result of using a new high saturation “Deep Red” OLED.

The Basic screen mode provides a very accurate Color and White Point calibration for the Standard sRGB / Rec.709 Color Gamut that is used to produce most current consumer content for digital cameras, TVs, the internet, and computers,

The Adaptive Display screen mode provides real-time Adaptive processing that can dynamically adjust images and videos. For some applications it will vary the White Point, Color Gamut, and Color Saturation based on the image content and the color of the surrounding ambient lighting measured by the Ambient Light Sensor (which measures color in addition to brightness).


It is the latest edition in our seven year article series that has lab tested, tracked and analyzed the development of mobile OLED displays and display technology, from its early beginnings in 2010, when OLED displays started out in last place, into a rapidly improving and evolving display technology that now has a commanding first place lead and continues pushing ahead aggressively.
The Galaxy Note8 is the latest model in a new generation of OLED Smartphones that have a Full Screen Display design. It is the most innovative and high performance Smartphone display that we have ever lab tested, earning DisplayMate’s highest ever A+ grade.
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I'm so sick of this argument. When do you have to charge t while trying to work? Turn it off at night to save battery,charge overnight, you get a 8-9 charge in two minutes so you can plug it on restroom breaks etc.

I use mine for e work and home and never find the bottom lightning port a hindrance.

Now, if you want to talk about the sharp edges on the top portion that needed to be lightly sanded down, I couldn't agree more.

I have the AAA battery version. Works nice on Windows with the Magic Mouse software. Unfortunately the battery compartment in my wireless Apple keyboard got gunked up and stuck when the batteries leaked and I couldn't get it open. Think it was a common issue with the older wireless keyboards :-(

 

[falainber]

Damn you were quick, I was about to write the same quote!

I think Pencil could make sense on the plus, but I don't want something similar to Samsung note were you have a place to store the stylus inside the phone. They better make it compatible to the one you can use on iPad so you can buy one pencil and use on the device you have with you, either the tablet or the smartphone.

Samsung provides pencils with every device that can use it. And a convenient way to store it in the device. And the device (Note) is waterproofed (not waterresisted as iPhone).

 

[sracer]

You still not over it ? The pencil would optional for people who would actually use their phones for productive purposes not sure why people are still against it when people buy note phones for the stylus.

That phenomenon is known as "Apple Narcissistic Disorder". It causes people to oppose anything that they themselves wouldn't use. Symptoms include: "wanting Apple to discontinue every product that they wouldn't buy themselves.", "using what Apple produces as the reference design of perfection","sweating and heavy breathing while reading posts on MacRumors of those who want optional things to be added".

 

[mi7chy]

Only six years late copying Samsung but it's worthwhile to try to win back business, creatives and professionals that left for the Galaxy Note. Hope Apple design it so you can silo the Pencil since not everyone carries a purse and it'll get lost when you need it.

 

[MadeMyDay]

By 2019 augmented reality will make our finger look and feel like a pencil.

 

[convergent]

Steve Jobs was talking the smartphones that needed styluses just to use the phone. He wasn’t imagining someone trying to take notes, draw, or hand write on the iPad.

I think Apple Pencil for the iPhone would be mostly pointless, but the Apple Pencil with my iPad Pro totally made me eat my words when I actually used it. Apple Pencil is excellent if you to do more than play games and finger paint.

When Steve Jobs said those things, there were no smartphones that you needed a stylus to use the phone. None. I had a least 10-12 different Palm, Pocket PC, and Symbian smarphones, and all of them you could easily use without a stylus. So the reason there is this backlash is that Jobs justified the iPhone by making a false statement, that now they are trying to walk back.

Now you are saying the Pencil on a phone is pointless, even though you admit you were completely wrong with that view on the tablet. Its good to learn from past mistakes, which doesn't appear to be the case here. I now have pen available on my tablet PC and phone, and its a wonderful thing. Its something Apple refuses to even consider because of their stubbornness. Maybe in another couple of years they will stick their toe in part of that water, if this rumor is even true.

I'm so sick of this argument. When do you have to charge t while trying to work? Turn it off at night to save battery,charge overnight, you get a 8-9 charge in two minutes so you can plug it on restroom breaks etc.

I use mine for e work and home and never find the bottom lightning port a hindrance.

Now, if you want to talk about the sharp edges on the top portion that needed to be lightly sanded down, I couldn't agree more.

I would venture to guess that many people don't charge their peripherals every night, and realize they are in need of charge when they stop working. In that scenario, which is probably far more common than the one you described, you have no mouse while you charge it. I have a Logitech compact Bluetooth keyboard and when it goes dead, I can just plug a cable into it and keep using it while it charges. That is a user centered design. Apple's design is lazy.

 

[npmacuser5]

Rather see a stylus for the Mac on a touch screen.

 

[JeffyTheQuik]

Crap... All I want is a Franklin Planner type app for my iPad Pro with Apple Pencil support.

I don't want to cobble a bunch of apps together to make it work. I just want the functionality in one app.

 

[deanthedev]

*cough* I refer to the independent LAB TESTS on the Samsung Galaxy colour management.

· Note 8 and S8 Multiple Screen Modes and Color Management

One very important capability of the Galaxy Smartphones that is often overlooked by many consumers and reviewers, is the set of user selectable Screen Modes that are available under Display Settings, which we cover and measure each one in detail below. Most Smartphones and Tablets only provide a single fixed factory display Color Gamut and color calibration, with no way for the user to alter it based on content, personal preferences, running applications, or Ambient Light levels. A very important capability provided by the OLED Galaxy Smartphones is the implementation of Color Management that provides a number of user selectable Screen Modes, each with different Color Gamuts and levels of Color Saturation and display calibration based on user and application preferences. Color Management with multiple and varying Color Gamuts are a very useful and important state-of-the-art capability that all manufacturers will need to provide in the future.

The measured Color Gamut of the AMOLED Cinema screen mode is a very accurate 104 percent of the Standard DCI-P3 Color Gamut, and the measured Absolute Color Accuracy is a very accurate 3.4 JNCD, which is very likely considerably better than your living room 4K Ultra HD TV. The Galaxy Note8 is one of the first displays to reach full 100% of the DCI-P3 as the result of using a new high saturation “Deep Red” OLED.

The Basic screen mode provides a very accurate Color and White Point calibration for the Standard sRGB / Rec.709 Color Gamut that is used to produce most current consumer content for digital cameras, TVs, the internet, and computers,

The Adaptive Display screen mode provides real-time Adaptive processing that can dynamically adjust images and videos. For some applications it will vary the White Point, Color Gamut, and Color Saturation based on the image content and the color of the surrounding ambient lighting measured by the Ambient Light Sensor (which measures color in addition to brightness).


It is the latest edition in our seven year article series that has lab tested, tracked and analyzed the development of mobile OLED displays and display technology, from its early beginnings in 2010, when OLED displays started out in last place, into a rapidly improving and evolving display technology that now has a commanding first place lead and continues pushing ahead aggressively.
The Galaxy Note8 is the latest model in a new generation of OLED Smartphones that have a Full Screen Display design. It is the most innovative and high performance Smartphone display that we have ever lab tested, earning DisplayMate’s highest ever A+ grade.
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I have the AAA battery version. Works nice on Windows with the Magic Mouse software. Unfortunately the battery compartment in my wireless Apple keyboard got gunked up and stuck when the batteries leaked and I couldn't get it open. Think it was a common issue with the older wireless keyboards :-(

Copy and pasting from Displaymate doesn’t change what I said. I’ll repeat it to make it as clear as possible for you:

- Android prior to Oreo doesn’t have color management.
- Android devices don’t have individually calibrated screens with an ICC profile. If they did, then the red-tinted screens on some Galaxy S8’s (that Samsung told users to fix by adjusting the color sliders themselves) would have never happened. Because they would have been caught during calibration and adjusted at the factory.
- Samsung screen modes are just a cheap fix to try and get around the fact Android doesn’t have color management.
- Samsung devices can’t display two separate color profiles on the same screen at once (like an sRGB image beside a DCI-P3 image).
- The display panels in the S8 and Note 8 have fantastic quality and gamut. They just don’t have the software to drive them properly.

A simple analogy is this. You could have a $20K pair of speakers at home, but they still won’t sound good if you’re listening to AM radio. Likewise a great display is only as good as the content being sent to it, and if it’s being properly rendered according to its color space.

 

[vcnzo]

Steve is rolling in his grave.... The whole point of the iPhone was that you didn't need a stylus...

And you still won't need a stylus.

The stylus would allow rapid note taking, sketching, whatever. All our current tasks will be executed the same as today.

 

[JeffyTheQuik]

The way Apple Implements it - probably. Gotta be able to charge $100 for those lost "pencils." But on Samsung Devices they have built in, hidden, holders for the stylist. Something I bet apple won't do.

Make it an Apple Golf Pencil

 

[xnu]

Putting aside the argument if anyone "wants" the Apple Pencil with an iPhone, I consider the Apple Pencil one of the best of Apples creations in the last 5 years. I would like to use it in more places. Yes the design could change, but the technology is great I use mine with my iPad Pro every day.

 

[69Mustang]

Respectfully, I am going to say that you are wrong.

Manufacturers often adopt incorrect labels for technology because it is what the public is used to. Take 4G for example. Anything less than LTE Advanced (or better) isn't meeting the ratified definition for 4G. But, because it is easy to market faster than 3G speeds as "4G", they did it anyway.

In similar regards, The Microsoft Pen, Apple Pencil, pixel book pen, and the likes actually fall under technology that is called an active pen. Just because the word stylus is sometimes used in the slang term (active stylus) doesn't make the shorthand for that generalized term (Stylus) correct.

But, since the word "stylus" (that predates technology) is better known to the public, tech media, and many classic Netwon, Palm, handspring users glommed onto the term Stylus.

We're gonna agree to disagree.

 

[mi7chy]

Steve is rolling in his grave.... The whole point of the iPhone was that you didn't need a stylus...

Also, the whole point of the iPhone is that it shouldn't be bigger than 3.5" but look at where we are now at 5.5" and where we're heading with potentially 6"+.

 

[convergent]

And you still won't need a stylus.

The stylus would allow rapid note taking, sketching, whatever. All our current tasks will be executed the same as today.

As is the case with other phones that have a stylus.

 

[aliensporebomb]

Please - no freaking styluses. I never used one for the iPad, I'm not about to use one on a phone.

 

[Urban Joe]

For the love of Christmas can we please see an iPad mini with Pen support before dreaming of it coming to an iPhone?

A stylus is tried and true and while we journey the long miles toward greater innovations it would be nice to re-innovate the technology within our grasp.

 

[69Mustang]

Please - no freaking styluses. I never used one for the iPad, I'm not about to use one on a phone.

You could continue to not use one on a phone. It would be an option, not a requirement. An iPhone with stylus support could still be used as it's always been. Same as Notes and Stlyo's can be used without the stylus.

 

[citysnaps]

Please - no freaking styluses. I never used one for the iPad, I'm not about to use one on a phone.

All you need to do is muster up some self-restraint. Keep that wallet in your pocket and don't buy the optional stylus should one become available. Simple.

 

[Swift]

It’s not what Steve was talking about. The previous Microsoft phones, and the Treo, etc., depended on you using a stylus for every interaction. The user interface meant your finger was too big to do much. So you didn’t have a target that was finger-sized at all. Microsoft used a sealed-down Windows interface with menus, etc. Steve wanted the pointers to be fingers. In that, he was right. Now, they’re talking about a pen for artistic purposes or text recognition, signing documents, etc.; something that is perfectly obvious on the iPad Pro. On an iPhone? Well, I wouldn’t buy it, but maybe some will.

 

[cmichaelb]

When Steve Jobs said those things, there were no smartphones that you needed a stylus to use the phone. None. I had a least 10-12 different Palm, Pocket PC, and Symbian smarphones, and all of them you could easily use without a stylus. So the reason there is this backlash is that Jobs justified the iPhone by making a false statement, that now they are trying to walk back.

Now you are saying the Pencil on a phone is pointless, even though you admit you were completely wrong with that view on the tablet. Its good to learn from past mistakes, which doesn't appear to be the case here. I now have pen available on my tablet PC and phone, and its a wonderful thing. Its something Apple refuses to even consider because of their stubbornness. Maybe in another couple of years they will stick their toe in part of that water, if this rumor is even true.



I would venture to guess that many people don't charge their peripherals every night, and realize they are in need of charge when they stop working. In that scenario, which is probably far more common than the one you described, you have no mouse while you charge it. I have a Logitech compact Bluetooth keyboard and when it goes dead, I can just plug a cable into it and keep using it while it charges. That is a user centered design. Apple's design is lazy.

You should never have it run out during use. I don't charge every night, not even close. Mac OS warns you when it gets low. Still enough to get through he day, then charge, it's not rocket science.

Flip it over, turn it off at night, flip on in the morning, charge over night when it tells you you're low. If your nervous, charge when you step away to get a short quick charge.

Seriously, if people are having issues it's because they don't pay attention when the low battery notification pops up.
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*cough* I refer to the independent LAB TESTS on the Samsung Galaxy colour management.

· Note 8 and S8 Multiple Screen Modes and Color Management

One very important capability of the Galaxy Smartphones that is often overlooked by many consumers and reviewers, is the set of user selectable Screen Modes that are available under Display Settings, which we cover and measure each one in detail below. Most Smartphones and Tablets only provide a single fixed factory display Color Gamut and color calibration, with no way for the user to alter it based on content, personal preferences, running applications, or Ambient Light levels. A very important capability provided by the OLED Galaxy Smartphones is the implementation of Color Management that provides a number of user selectable Screen Modes, each with different Color Gamuts and levels of Color Saturation and display calibration based on user and application preferences. Color Management with multiple and varying Color Gamuts are a very useful and important state-of-the-art capability that all manufacturers will need to provide in the future.

The measured Color Gamut of the AMOLED Cinema screen mode is a very accurate 104 percent of the Standard DCI-P3 Color Gamut, and the measured Absolute Color Accuracy is a very accurate 3.4 JNCD, which is very likely considerably better than your living room 4K Ultra HD TV. The Galaxy Note8 is one of the first displays to reach full 100% of the DCI-P3 as the result of using a new high saturation “Deep Red” OLED.

The Basic screen mode provides a very accurate Color and White Point calibration for the Standard sRGB / Rec.709 Color Gamut that is used to produce most current consumer content for digital cameras, TVs, the internet, and computers,

The Adaptive Display screen mode provides real-time Adaptive processing that can dynamically adjust images and videos. For some applications it will vary the White Point, Color Gamut, and Color Saturation based on the image content and the color of the surrounding ambient lighting measured by the Ambient Light Sensor (which measures color in addition to brightness).


It is the latest edition in our seven year article series that has lab tested, tracked and analyzed the development of mobile OLED displays and display technology, from its early beginnings in 2010, when OLED displays started out in last place, into a rapidly improving and evolving display technology that now has a commanding first place lead and continues pushing ahead aggressively.
The Galaxy Note8 is the latest model in a new generation of OLED Smartphones that have a Full Screen Display design. It is the most innovative and high performance Smartphone display that we have ever lab tested, earning DisplayMate’s highest ever A+ grade.
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I have the AAA battery version. Works nice on Windows with the Magic Mouse software. Unfortunately the battery compartment in my wireless Apple keyboard got gunked up and stuck when the batteries leaked and I couldn't get it open. Think it was a common issue with the older wireless keyboards :-(

Oh that sucks. The newer ones are nice, and fortunately I never had a battery issue like that in the older model.

 

[devsfan1830]

The video and quotes of Steve often get rolled out whenever the Apple Pencil is discussed. However, in defence of Tim Cook, I think people are too quick to jump to those quotes/video.

At the time Steve made those comments in the keynote, pretty much all 'touch screen' devices were shockingly bad and pretty much unusable with just a finger - at least in the way we use them now. Most devices resorted to needing a stylus as the only reasonable way of interacting with the device. The iPhone changed all that, and Steve's comments were indicative of that shift in technology. Here'a device with a touch screen so good, so accurate, so responsive that you can use it entirely without a stylus, unlike 98% of devices on the market at that time. It was a game changer.

The Apple Pencil is an optional stylus. You don't need it. You can use the iPad Pro without the Pencil. But with it, you can write naturally or be more precise.

In that sense, I don't think Steve's comments are completely out of sync with the existence of the Pencil?

I was going to say the same thing. You nailed it. Up until the iPhone a stylus was practically REQUIRED for anything touch capable because as far as I remember it was all resistive touch. I had an early convertible tablet/laptop that was all but useless without it big fat stylus. Accuracy was pretty crap too. This Pencil seems to be far more advanced than anything that existed back then. Even then, its an optional tool gar toward artists. Adding support to the phone makes perfect sense so people dont need to haul a 1ft (EXPENSIVE) square of glass and metal around to do a quick sketch.

 

[itguy06]

Screw the iPhone. Give me support for it on the screen of a laptop and we'll talk. I'd even pay the insane Macbook Prices. Until then it's Windows with their manufacturers actually giving choice.