I've never really been critical of Apple but this seems like a mistep. The X needed a bolder release. More time for production, and more time to allow all the accessories to be made. Imagine of the original iPhone launched like this, where the most desired product was not even available to everyone on launch date...
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iPhone X Production Faces Further Delays, Will Start in Mid-October
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Why is iTunes an issue..I have all my stuff in iTunes and I use Android with no issue (and an 6S}
I don't think anyone is gonna even bother comparing this to something that happened over 30 years ago.
I will award you bonus points for such an obscure reference though.
Only by sellings them to morons (see:very silly people - plsdontsuspendme) willing to pay over the odds for such a device - which you'd have to be to buy one for anything other than retail price, which is a stretch even then.
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Tim's already got that covered. He couldn't be more polar opposite to Steve, he really wasn't the right choice. Though maybe Steve chose him because he's the only one capable of running the company from a business point of view. But that's another argument that's already been done to death.
I wonder about the knock-on effects of this.
Could they result in no new model in September 2018, if supplies are barely catching up to demand by Spring 2018? could they do an 18 month run of the X?
If people really are holding off on 8 and availability is lack of demand rather than oversupply, then limited X units could really hurt Apple's next couple of quarters of income.
Could they result in no new model in September 2018, if supplies are barely catching up to demand by Spring 2018? could they do an 18 month run of the X?
If people really are holding off on 8 and availability is lack of demand rather than oversupply, then limited X units could really hurt Apple's next couple of quarters of income.
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St this point I’m thinking if I get one in a reasonable time from (let’s csll that two months), great. If not, I’ll have my eye on the next pixel. Should be announced early October.
Couldn't agree more with you. Foxconn executives will most certainly not tell how many iPhones have been assembeled or are being assemebled currenty. And they are the only one's to know. The other guys presumably deliver in bulk (to get the prices down) and that means they do not know how many watches will be produced during one day.thing is this.. it's not as if the factory worker shows up in the morning, begins their task of making the display, their neighbor makes the camera, etc... then at the end of the day, a phone has been made.
an iPhone is being made all over the world
• Chipsets and Processors ....(S.Korea / Taiwan)
• Flash memory ..................(Japan / S.Korea)
• Gyroscope .......................(France / Italy)
• Touch ID .........................(Taiwan)
• Battery ...........................(S.Korea)
• Accelerometer .................(Germany / U.S.)
• Camera ...........................(Japan / U.S. / Taiwan)
• Display ...........................(Japan / Taiwan)
• Glass ..............................(U.S.)
• NFC ................................(Netherlands)
(probably not exactly factual.. especially if the OLED displays are coming from Samsung(S.Korea).. but close enough to make the point)
most of what Foxconn (China) does is the main chassis assembly..
so when we hear something like "this amount of phones are being made per day", it really makes zero sense in how most people will interpret that.. some parts of it were made last year, some last month, etc.
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10,000 units a day?
who knows, maybe that means they've been shrink wrapping 10,000 boxed units (ie- THE final product) of them per day up till now.. but they could easily shrink-wrap a million of them in a day.. it's just that they haven't as they haven't needed to.. once the final OS (for example) is installed on them, then the dude pushes the button and the entire lot gets wrapped that day..
10,000 units per day, going through some sort of final process, could be irrelevant info as to whether or not there will be millions of phones ready on launch day.. but by the time the news makes it to the consumers reading rumor sites, the report, while possibly factual, has been skewed to make it seem as if there's a huge shortage and/or problem..
we just have no way of knowing what's meant by 10k/day.. none.
and it's such a ridiculously low number for the way many will read it as (omg- there will only be 325,000 phones available in November
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Have to say with the 7 Jet Black, I pre-ordered and had a 6-7 week waiting time but then cancelled when I walked into the local store and bought one there and then! Used that handy stock tracking website
If Apple should really see lead times of over 5 months then they could close down. Sorry, there is no way of that happening. Yes, we might look at end of november, start of decemeber for most preorders but not much more. The iPhone X is being launched in 55 countries at the same time. If production yield really is so low, and Apple would have known that last week, there would no way that they launch it in 55(!) countries at the same date. They would do a staged roll out. I think we will look at a 5-6 weeks wait. Not 5 months. Imagine the delivery times for all the carriers around the world if the delivery times from Apple themselves would slip to 5 months. The carries would be able to ship the phones when Apple annouces the next phone.
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Oh yeah, didn't catch that. But thanks!
really just proves the point that they will have some production going on over the next 30 days.
Pricing is never arbitrary. Apple
Prices things in ways they expect sales. Often they get it right. Sometimes they get it wrong (original iPhone ).
Aside from the face Id hardware you essentially have a galaxy s8 in terms of quality. Apple expects Apple users will see a $250 higher value here than with the s8.
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I agree....o was referring more to the technology.... or to having delays in a normal yearly update.
The 8+ is also a better choice for those who regularly find themselves running out of battery, as it's specs show it having an additional hour of Internet surfing and/or video playback time as compared to the X.
iPhone X:
Talk time (wireless):
- Up to 21 hours
- Up to 12 hours
- Up to 13 hours
- Up to 60 hours
- Up to 50% charge 30 minutes
iPhone 8+:
Talk time (wireless):
- Up to 21 hours
- Up to 13 hours
- Up to 14 hours
- Up to 60 hours
- Up to 50% charge 30 minutes
How bad is the news media in general. When was the last good news story you've read? 1989? I mean, this story is based on zero real facts. Rumors and Foolishness. Between stories like this, and the short, mindless reviews the 8, 8 Plus and Apple Watch received, it is letting you know how little effort goes into these stories and reviews.
How do we even know that the iPhone X is in short supply? How do we even know that there have been delay issues? Just because a few analysts have said so? For all we know they didn’t get correct info and Apple is well on track to ensure there is plenty of iPhone X come launch day. We have to take analyst rumors with a pinch of salt. Unless Apple say there is a shortage and there are delays, I don’t believe in what the analysts say. You can argue why Apple would release the iPhone X after the iPhone 8 and the answer would be to ensure that there are sales for the iPhone 8 as well.
I'm on the iPhone Upgrade Program too and honestly am just thinking of paying off the phone.
I have the 7 Plus 128GB and bought it September 21, 2016. I have a remaining balance of $500. I can sell my 7 Plus for like $700, use that to pay off the phone / close out the loan and have $200 leftover.
If iPhone Upgrade Program users don't have any kind of priority system, what's the point? I'll just re-enroll in the program when I preorder the X.
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I feel like the people that try and order the iPhone X after 15-30 minutes of the preorder going live will be waiting 1-2+ weeks for their units.
I try not to listen to analysts either, but the 7 Plus Jet Black was in short supply and so was the 6S Plus Rose Gold.
iPhone X is a totally different animal and for it to come out a whole month and change after iPhone 8 speaks to just how difficult it is to manufacture.
Here are my 2 cents on the different iPhone 8 / iPhone X release dates:
- a launch is always stressful. Having 3 Flagship phones is not easy and requires a lot of organization from Apple and Foxconn. Also the all new design is surly also somewhat demanding. So they decided to push it back.
- I also think Apple will release the iPhone X together with an update of iOS. It might not be 11.1 but there are for sure some quircks they want to even out.
- Getting the people used to design, having time to explain the doubts of Face ID etc. and building up hype.
Lastly, we don't know if the iPhone X was ever intended to be released with the iPhone 8. I don't think cannablizing the iPhone 8 was a factor in terms of sales. More in terms of marketing. Sales would be the same for the 8 even if the X was launched at the same time. People who are not certain will wait until the X reviews come around and will order then. But the 8 would be outshined by the X, if both were reviewed at the same time.
There are always problems when producing a phone, but we only have some reports which have been changed several times of the last 30 days.
What ever the reason for the later release is, it has to be good. Apple will be missing 5 weeks of sales with this. So the reason had to be good.
Yes and I’m sure Apple has learnt from the Jetblack, 6S Plus Rose Gold and especially the AirPods. They are not stupid, they know this is their flagship product, they know they cannot risk the backlash as it will seriously hurt them.
Give Apple the benefit of the doubt until such time as they come out an official statement to advise of a short supply.
You cannot and should not take analysts word for it, even if they do happen to be right, they can also be completely wrong.
I’m not saying the iPhone X is not difficult to manufacture, I know it is difficult, but I also know Apple would have planned for this months in advance.
The majority of any new iPhone will ship in the year after launch because it's the bigger time frame ;P No jokes aside, i think we should not get too worried about some analyst's unproven statement. The only one's who know how many phones are being produced are the Foxconn and Apple executives. And neither of them are having official meetings with an analyst discussing the production start of the iPhone X. The other suppliers will not know, because they deliver in bulk. I take it all with a grain of salt. And as other on here already said; Apple has been working for 3 years on this phone. The Operations team was for sure also included. The phone will, as always, be constrained but I doubt it being more than 4-6 weeks.