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Man, if they had made the XR the a little smaller than the current 8 with a full front screen, even at the same price, I'd have bought it. This size is just too much. I was willing to go bigger from my SE, but I didn't want to go this big...

Theres always someone who says "Oh if its 0.1 or 0.2" smaller/bigger i would so get one." Thankfully apple just says heres what we are selling buy it or dont. Based on sales, the apple decision seem to be working.
 
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I'm really curious how good Portrait Mode is going to be on the iPhone Xr... that's really all I'm waiting on. My only complaint with my iPhone 8+ is the size. I want something smaller to hold and both the Xs and Xr fit the bill. But Portrait Mode is the deal breaker for me, if the Xr isn't up to snuff.
Yep, will be interesting to see the reviews. There is no reason it can't be really good since Google managed to pull off a really good bokeh effect with the Pixel 2 last year using a single lens camera. Using AI with that powerful Neural Engine in the A12 chip Apple should be able to get some really good results. Then again Apple has as yet to prove that they can be good at AI so we'll see...
 
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Looking at Phil S’s intro I think it’s the Plus customers who are being targeted for the XR - if you have an aging 6 or 6s Plus, the XR then looks like a steal with an insane amount of feature upgrades.

... Plus loads of regular sized iPhone customers who are getting the tech of the X for $50-100 more than they paid a few years ago.

Admittedly this is still a steep sell & perhaps they’ll buy the XR next September when it gets a price cut.
 
Looking at Phil S’s intro I think it’s the Plus customers who are being targeted for the XR - if you have an aging 6 or 6s Plus, the XR then looks like a steal with an insane amount of feature upgrades.

... Plus loads of regular sized iPhone customers who are getting the tech of the X for $50-100 more than they paid a few years ago.

Admittedly this is still a steep sell & perhaps they’ll buy the XR next September when it gets a price cut.

Xr is going to sell insanely well especially when folks compare it to price of the Xs line. Apple did some brilliant price strategy
 
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Theres always someone who says "Oh if its 0.1 or 0.2" smaller/bigger i would so get one." Thankfully apple just says heres what we are selling buy it or dont. Based on sales, the apple decision seem to be working.

But I'm not saying if it was 0.1" or 0.2" smaller THAN THE NEW MODELS, I'm saying than one of the older models (which were SMALLER), so more like 0.5" smaller than the 8, which is about 0.7" smaller than the X/XS.

Also, granted from January 2018, but about 20% of people are on the iphone 5 size range models and I'm sure the majority of them don't want a X or above size phone. So looks like apple is losing out on a big portion of their user base as well.

http://blog.pixalate.com/iphone-x-adoption-data-ios-apple-iphonex

And yes, I understand I have a choice, so I'm using that choice by not upgrading. People can want what they want and have an opinion. It doesn't have to agree with yours or the masses. Apple can do as they please, but people are free to lament that "right" (corporate) decision.
 
Such arguments are why there is "something for everybody" with all the various models

Actually, no, my comment speaks to the lack of product differentiation. When you have to point to color gamut percentages and contrast ratios to justify a substantial price increase it leaves people scratching their heads. And I say that as someone that gave an iPhone X as a gift last year so it's not the price for me. It just is very strange product positioning - and I say that as a business professor.
 
That's classic market segmentation – make the product you want to sell expensive and then introduce a couple of options around it that are absurdly more expensive to make the product you actually want to sell seem cheap in comparison. Good for Apple, terrible for us.

From a purely business perspective, Apple's strategy here is really interesting. You're correct about the above, of course. Also interesting, though, is the fact that the Xr is priced where iPhones with more marquee features used to be priced. Once upon a time, spending that much for a phone got you a higher-resolution screen, force touch, and a second camera. By dialing those back, Apple creates a new upgrade path that requires very little new innovation -- i.e., next year's successor to the Xr could add the second camera and a higher-res screen and it would feel like an upgrade.

The means the phone as a segment is mature. Phone manufacturers can no longer add yearly innovations, at least of the sort that would drive upgrades, so companies reposition their lineups and even remove certain features so they can add them back later. As an example, Canon has done that for years with their DSLR cameras. Significant innovations in that space come along only occasionally, but Canon has to sell new cameras every year. So they upgrade some features while removing others, only to add back some of the removed features to later models. It's not a bad practice -- Apple does have shareholders, after all -- but it means that we as consumers should try to read past the hype and make informed decisions.
 
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That separate launch is to ensure first adopters choose the top of the line, higher cost offerings. The S will have it's moment in the sun all to itself. It is the smart play.

The R is going to be a compelling offering for Apple. Minus the screen tech (OLED), resolution, and dual cams, the R has virtually all the goodies of the S. The resolution shouldn't be that big of a deal for anyone coming from one of Apple's previous none - plus models. Might be a let down for Plus model owners though. Either way, I like the R. My girls are getting this phone... next year.
Me, I already decided on the Xs max. Not an early adopter just getting what I want. Usually buy my phones in November so I’m in the second wave. This is the first year I am going to try a preorder.
 
Would prefer the gold finish of the Xs but can always get a nice case to cover the Xr's kiddy crayola colors and inferior finish.
 
I think this years release is just a big fail. Way too expensive and the naming is messed up. Will there be an iPhone R every year now? Or is it just like the 5C and will never return again? What do they want to call it next year? iPhone 11, 11 MAX und 11 R? Or iPhone XI Max / XI R. Looks so stupid. I really hope they are going back to something normal, e.g. iPhone and iPhone Plus without any number. Just two phones with the old pricing tags. As iOS 12 was mostly focussed on Bug fixing and speed, iOS 13 should bring a lot new features and hopefully a new Design. Not sure if they even call it iOS13 or skip that number, because of hocus pocus.
 
Actually, no, my comment speaks to the lack of product differentiation. When you have to point to color gamut percentages and contrast ratios to justify a substantial price increase it leaves people scratching their heads. And I say that as someone that gave an iPhone X as a gift last year so it's not the price for me. It just is very strange product positioning - and I say that as a business professor.

Watch the keynote and you will see many differences I think.

Check out a Mercedes E class vs S class - would you say there is a problem of differentiation? To me they both look the same!
 
Complaining? No. Just predicting what will happen based on a pattern that has repeated itself without fail. Upgrading to the latest OS on older hardware is too risky, but Apple unsurprisingly encourages it.

My point is, there’s no value in introducing new hardware if the accompanying OS hasn’t advanced as well. Joe Average may not do much with his phone, but he should expect his phone to do more for him if Apple wants to justify its premium image

One of the design goals of iOS 12 was to optimize performance for older phones such as iPhone 6. More generally, Apple has good reasons (security, facilitating app development, etc.) for encouraging users of older phones to stay up-to-date with iOS improvements.
 
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Do you actually know anything about iOS 12? It runs great on older models. My 6s still runs like new and while I originally planned to upgrade this year, with the prices of the lineup and still good performance on my 6s I'm contemplating holding out for another year.

Yep. I participated in the beta. But wait until it’s released into the wild. People have been optimistic about past OS upgrades on older hardware and initially reported no issues. Then gradually they complain of decreasing performance.

Changing subject... How fresh is your battery? You’re in for a rude awakening once it reaches half its lifecycle. My 6s had a one-year old battery. When the replacement battery was installed it, my 6s performed like new. During the beta, the battery meter flaked out. The battery health feature could no longer report my battery’s stats. The phone ultimately bricked. No improvements to the OS will repair the flawed power management engineering of the 6s.
 
I think this years release is just a big fail. Way too expensive and the naming is messed up. Will there be an iPhone R every year now? Or is it just like the 5C and will never return again? What do they want to call it next year? iPhone 11, 11 MAX und 11 R? Or iPhone XI Max / XI R. Looks so stupid. I really hope they are going back to something normal, e.g. iPhone and iPhone Plus without any number. Just two phones with the old pricing tags. As iOS 12 was mostly focussed on Bug fixing and speed, iOS 13 should bring a lot new features and hopefully a new Design. Not sure if they even call it iOS13 or skip that number, because of hocus pocus.

Same thought occurred to me with subsequent year naming convention. If they add pen support would it be iPhone PenXs?
 
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Except it won't, for the sole reason that it's nearly as big as the 'plus' size phones! People don't just want bigger all the time.... if they did they'd get a 'plus'. If they stuck to the smaller size of the X then more people would buy it I'm sure (could also make it a little cheaper!) I still prefer the SE size, as do a hell of a lot of other customers I'm sure.
 
One of the drawbacks of the XR currently is that it's not being offered in an unlocked version.
 
"Budget Friendly" and this phone (Or any of the new Apple phones) don't really go together.

Its a relatively low end phone from a screen res , shape,weight, camera perspective and compares to medium level Androids spec wise in most areas (except cpu) yet it costs like a flagship.

Only cheap in comparison to the phone you really want which is the XS or XS Max.

Nothing budget friendly about this phone at all.
Just Apple taking it's fan base for a ride as usual.
 
I used to have a 6 Plus, but, with the necessary case, it was too big to fit into many of my pants' pockets, so I downsized to a 7. I guess the lesson from this story is: I better start buying pants with bigger pockets now as huge phones are the way of the future.
 
"Budget Friendly" and this phone (Or any of the new Apple phones) don't really go together.

Its a relatively low end phone from a screen res , shape,weight, camera perspective and compares to medium level Androids spec wise in most areas (except cpu) yet it costs like a flagship.

Only cheap in comparison to the phone you really want which is the XS or XS Max.

Nothing budget friendly about this phone at all.
Just Apple taking it's fan base for a ride as usual.

Thanks for playing.
 
Thanks for the link. Do you trust the numbers they give? I mean, nice graphs, but have they EVER been right? Are they always right? Or are they like the paid off "analysts" who lie year after year, and whom I have bet against for 20+ years and made millions of dollars by betting against them? :)

Here is my link for you:

https://appleinsider.com/articles/1...ple-quietly-bought-back-435b-in-its-own-stock

Despite that article title, Apple’s buyback was anything but “quiet”...
They announced it openly in their last several shareholder meetings, as well as Warren Buffet stating in many interviews how pleased he is with the buybacks.
They are in no way a secret.
 
Disagree 100% ... in fact, there is a fair chance the iPhone XR Bombs !

It appears to be targeted to kids 12-16 years old, however, it's way OVER-priced for that market, especially for what it offers.

The iPhone 7+ & 8+ will reap the benefits ! ... both will see an UN-expected Surge in Market Share.

I would NOT be at all surprised if the now two-year-old iPhone 7+ is the BIG seller the remainder of CY2018.

I believe we "may" have entered a new phase for AAPL, in which MOST of their customers are priced-out of the newest stuff (OR more specifically, don't see the Innovation & Value that Tim Cook says is there), & will instead, opt for an iPhone that is 1-2 years old, technology-wise, & keep that for ONLY a year.

In other words, more Upgrading on a per-year basis than the past few years, but fewer opting for the newest stuff.

Also, this isn't the SUPER Hyped 10-year iPhone anniversary edition, so the Numbers should be down across the Board ... after Analyzing the newest iPhones, Timmy is predicting 60M units, with an ASP of $815, & with much of that coming from the 7+ & 8+.

The 7+ & 8+ could go down in history as the last really good iPhones !

"Timmy" doesn't lie (the Breakdown numbers speak for themselves), but Tim (Cook) does ! ... Jobs had his Distorted Reality, Cook appears to be a different cat entirely ... specifically, Jobs let the products (& their attributes) speak for themselves !

BTW, supply-chains have NO clue as to what will sell well & what won't.

Also, so-far, NO mention/confirmation of the amount of DRAM in any of the new iPhones, NOR any mention of the amount of Dedicated Burst Photo DRAM (i.e., related to AAPL's "faster" image sensors).
 
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