it's 2007 all over again with the X

[sumsingwong]

Really? https://arstechnica.com/information...locking-samsungs-galaxy-s8-is-laughably-easy/

What are the chances of someone coming up to you while you hold still and take an IR photo close enough to get a hi res photo of your face?

I'm almost sure some hackers will also be able to make a mold of someone's face and fool Face ID as well. It's pretty cheap to do.

 

[inscrewtable]

What are the chances of someone coming up to you while you hold still and take an IR photo close enough to get a hi res photo of your face?

I'm almost sure some hackers will also be able to make a mold of someone's face and fool Face ID as well. It's pretty cheap to do.

1. Your eyes need to be open, plus it's not just IR.
2. Apple already covered that in the presentation. They had professional Hollywood mask creator create realistic masks and used that to train the neural networks. I don't think Hackers using cheap masks are going to top the professionals who would have been asked to do their best work. Did you not see the presentation?

This is where the neural processing comes in, seeing as it can not be fooled by glasses or scarves or facial hair, it would also be able to detect subtle facial changes that would not work on a mask, or that's what it would be trained to do.

 

[FunkyTang]

Honestly the only radical thing is face Id 😕 I love Apple but the X to be seems to be playing the game of catch-up rather than leading the way. It’s not even the first facial recognition system although hopefully it’s the first one to work really well. But I never had a problem with the feature on my htc M7😉.

I don't really think it's catch up. I had a Note 7 and the facial I'd never worked for me. Of course I only had that phone for a month since they banned it on airplanes.

 

[inscrewtable]

It can't be fooled with a photo.

It's you vs the entire interwebs http://bfy.tw/EZl4
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...Apple but the X to be seems to be playing the game of catch-up...

If they were catching up to Samsung then they bring out a non 3D sensing face recognition that doesn't work.

 

[acorntoy]

It's you vs the entire interwebs http://bfy.tw/EZl4
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If they were catching up to Samsung then they bring out a non 3D sensing face recognition that doesn't work.

I never said Samsung? The M7 Was the original "HTC One" the only thing it used was the Android software and the selfie camera. But anyways, yes Face Id is a step forward, but it seems to be the -only- step forward from Android on a 1K smartphone. Thats kinda disappointing.

 

[serialiphoneuser]

1. Your eyes need to be open, plus it's not just IR.
2. Apple already covered that in the presentation. They had professional Hollywood mask creator create realistic masks and used that to train the neural networks. I don't think Hackers using cheap masks are going to top the professionals who would have been asked to do their best work. Did you not see the presentation?

This is where the neural processing comes in, seeing as it can not be fooled by glasses or scarves or facial hair, it would also be able to detect subtle facial changes that would not work on a mask, or that's what it would be trained to do.

Face-ID looks for eye movement. If the masks had cutouts for eyes and a person was wearing the mask.. it should unlock without a hitch. Apple will never admit this.

 

[inscrewtable]

I never said Samsung? The M7 Was the original "HTC One" the only thing it used was the Android software and the selfie camera. But anyways, yes Face Id is a step forward, but it seems to be the -only- step forward from Android on a 1K smartphone. Thats kinda disappointing.

The next steps forward in phones will need huge processing power and Apple is the only manufacturer that had that one well in hand. It is likely that current SoC's like the Qualcomm, Kirin, or Exynos which are all on a par with each other could not even handle the processing required to make something as intensive as Apple's Face ID work in the time required. Apple is two years ahead at least in this area, and they are pulling away faster. It's not a matter of whether and app opens a tenth of a second faster.
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Face-ID looks for eye movement. If the masks had cutouts for eyes and a person was wearing the mask.. it should unlock without a hitch. Apple will never admit this.

You don't know how face id works do you seriously think that you are going sit there and suddenly come up with something that hundreds of specialists who have been working on this for years have not thought of? If I was forced to make a guess I would guess that it has numerous different points of reference, probably to do with micro movements on the surface of the face seeing as the face is the most densely muscled area of the body.

 

[acorntoy]

The next steps forward in phones will need huge processing power and Apple is the only manufacturer that had that one well in hand. It is likely that current SoC's like the Qualcomm, Kirin, or Exynos which are all on a par with each other could not even handle the processing required to make something as intensive as Apple's Face ID work in the time required. Apple is two years ahead at least in this area, and they are pulling away faster. It's not a matter of whether and app opens a tenth of a second faster.

Apples processors are very impressive, thats why I picked up an 8+ Instead of a note.

 

[inscrewtable]

Apples processors are very impressive, thats why I picked up an 8+ Instead of a note.

I was just making the point not so much that they are impressive, which they are, but they are impressive in a way that will become more apparent as we enter the new age of neural net algorithm. It's the entire software package one would hope that would tempt you to the iPhone even without the privacy concerns of phones that run Android.

 

[eyedoc2020]

If this is such a great phone why is there and ugly ass notch?!

 

[Ghost31]

Know what’s been entertaining? Watching people over the years comment on the design of phones and UI like we’re in some kind of art house and they are just thrilled they got an oppprtunity to act like an art snob. Use the word “aesthetics” and you’ve automatically got a bump in credibility. I mean what everyday person even knows that word right??

Truth is the people at apple are smarter than us in a lot of ways. They’ve sat with the design for a long time in the way we will when it’s been out for awhile and decided it’s a design that makes sense. We will use it. We’ll like it. Then we will move onto the next thing we can act like we know what we’re talking about. That’s entirely what I believe the OP meant that a lot of users glossed over.

We complain based on just pictures we see and never really holding the device, then we hold the device and ahhhh. It’s not so bad after all

 

[inscrewtable]

If this is such a great phone why is there and ugly ass notch?!

You've just answered your own question, the so called apparent notch as you put it is one of the many things that make this such a great phone.

There is no 'notch' what you call a notch is actually the phone, it is the camera and other sensors isn't it. What appears to you as a 'notch' is simply that apple have extended the display up into what would normally be bezel area. The reason for this is to gain functionality. Whether one thinks it's ugly or nice design is a matter of taste, however I've never seen so many complaints about a net gain, in useable area and functionality.

If prefer functionality to be lost because you like the look of an all across bezel, then that is the antithesis of Frank Lloyd Wright's 'form follows function' dictum. The 'notch' as you call it is a product of increased functionality. If it upsets you, you need not purchase it but you'll have to move over to Android as all new model iPhones will be like this next year.

 

[Diorama]

Face-ID looks for eye movement. If the masks had cutouts for eyes and a person was wearing the mask.. it should unlock without a hitch. Apple will never admit this.

Inside knowledge, or complete BS? You be the judge.

 

[44267547]

If this is such a great phone why is there and ugly ass notch?!

Why? Because it exists to incorporate the technology needed for Face ID. No, I'm not an engineer and Apple didn't just put it there specifically for you just not to like it.

 

[DNichter]

I have a Note 8 and use it all the time. It's pretty fast for me. Yes, you have to line up your eyes because its called an "iris" scanner that's scanning a pretty small surface on your eyeballs. It's a chore while sitting? Sure if you don't want to use your hands. How is Face ID any different if you are in a sitting position. You would still have to position your face in front of the phone and wouldn't you have to stay still for Face ID to scan your face for the truedepth camera to measure every inch your face? I mean it would be pretty hard while on the move to get the exact 3D measurement of a face if it's constantly moving. I could also unlock my phone with a verbal password. I love my Touch ID on my 6S+ but if face ID can be fooled by twins, no thanks.

I don't experience slow unlocks in the dark either.

You don't have to line anything up with the X, just glance at it. I have seen some hands on videos and it's unlocked by the time someone goes to use it.

 

[eltoslightfoot]

Amazing how many experts there are on how FaceID is not going to work when the phone isn’t even out yet. Got the lotto numbers for the powerball?

 

[sumsingwong]

You don't have to line anything up with the X, just glance at it. I have seen some hands on videos and it's unlocked by the time someone goes to use it.

So if the X is laying flat on a table and you're sitting on a chair by that table, just glance at It? Your face doesn't have to be in range of the truedepth sensor/camera. I would be impressed if that's the case.
My devices wouldn't need unlocking anyway because I have trusted devices and locations enabled which I wish Apple would implement something similar. It's very convenient.

 

[flat five]

So if the X is laying flat on a table and you're sitting on a chair by that table, just glance at It? Your face doesn't have to be in range of the truedepth sensor/camera. I would be impressed if that's the case.

your face will have to be within range/angle of the sensors.. yes..
however, where exactly this angle is? nobody (here) knows..

i'm hoping the image/video in the official marketing material is accurate regarding the angle:

 

[roeiz]

I wonder how much battery this whole face id takss, and also, do we have to get the screen on first before unlocking or the camera alwas knows we might look and unlocks? Always having to first have the screen on might be one step too much?

 

[Diorama]

I wonder how much battery this whole face id takss, and also, do we have to get the screen on first before unlocking or the camera alwas knows we might look and unlocks? Always having to first have the screen on might be one step too much?

What would be the purpose of unlocking the phone but keeping the screen off?

 

[roeiz]

What would be the purpose of unlocking the phone but keeping the screen off?

I meant that you have to put the screen on before face id unlocks the phone.
I thought the locked screen automatically goes on without needing to push a button.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

your face with have to be within range/angle of the sensors.. yes..
however, where exactly this angle is? nobody (here) knows..

i'm hoping the image/video in the official marketing material is accurate regarding the angle:

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I wonder if it’ll be intelligent enough to know not to constantly unlock itself as it’s laying on a pub table as you are chatting? I was thinking this today over lunch as pretty much everybody sits with their phones face up on the table etc. It would be a bugger for battery life if the screen is going on and off all the time lol.

 

[greeley]

Do people not realize a lot of the newer stuff has been on ios a while for jailbroken people?


The only "redifing" is the camera and even that is just an evolution of older phones with face unlock and kinect

 

[flat five]

I wonder if it’ll be intelligent enough to know not to constantly unlock itself as it’s laying on a pub table as you are chatting? I was thinking this today over lunch as pretty much everybody sits with their phones face up on the table etc. It would be a bugger for battery life if the screen is going on and off all the time lol.

if it’s not awake, it’s not scanning.
if you tap the screen and wake it up while on a table, it will then start looking for you.

(at least, that’s my understanding of it so far)

 

[roeiz]

if it’s not awake, it’s not scanning.
if you tap the screen and wake it up while on a table, it will then start looking for you.

(at least, that’s my understanding of it so far)

the perfect future face id:
when you just directly look at it, the lock screen goes on.
then if you double blink, it unlocks.