it's 2007 all over again with the X

[rafark]

Not for nothing but those arguments against the Samsung have been levied against the iPhone x with the notch.


The iPhone used to be about simplicity, and I'm not sure about these gestures, swipe slightly one way to get one action, slightly another way for something else. What's wrong with pressing a button, once or twice for an action. I may be splitting hairs but Apple used to be about designing a product that was not complicated at all. I'm sure if I were to get one, I would adjust to it, but the fact remains, it seems more convoluted then it ought to be. Just my opinion.

The thing is, you have not used the gestures. How do you know they don't feel more natural? The "it doesn't even have a home button" is the new "it doesn't even have a keyboard". It's very likely 5 years from now we'll be looking at home buttons as something slower and non intuitive.

 

[bopajuice]

Please post an image of another bezel free screen. The processor is not small thing because processing power is what will drive the next level of what is possible on phones. Also the 3d depth sensing and the possibilities that it will open is another major part of the puzzle and works hand in glove with processing power.

I can sense your entusiasim. I’m not going to spoil your excitement. Enjoy the X. I’m sure it will be a fine phone. Just like so many others.

What is possible? Faster email? Faster loading of Facebook? Faster browsing? Are you serious?

It’s a phone. A cell phone. Something most carry in their back pocket to chat with their friends. It’s not like it’s the cure for cancer. It’s a phone!

 

[inscrewtable]

I can sense your entusiasim.

You sense nothing, what you sense is entirely your own fictional image of the world. For your information, I have just last week upgraded my 4s + 32gb iPod Touch 6th gen, to an all in one 64gb iPhone SE, and coincidentally my old Touch with it's Piel Frama case weighs exactly the same as the SE with an Apple leather case!

I don't see myself upgrading to the X for quite some time, possibly 3 years time maybe if the price works.

...other phones including a bezeless screen?

Still waiting for an image of these other bezeless phones. As they say in politics, put up or shut up.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

In 2017, people want things in new phones with out knowing what they want in the first place and complain when they didn’t get what they wanted, even though they don’t know what they want in the first place.


Oy Vey!

I think people want worthwhile software updates and sensible pricing. This era of pushing phones over the £1k threshold is pretty ludicrous.

 

[nia820]

Links? Pics?




Hmm...

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Capacitive touch? Done.

Colour LCD under glass? Done.

2 megapixel camera on the back? Done.

Micro SD expansion built-in? Done.

Yes the Prada was around. But it didn't have the software and user interface like iphone 1 had. Also the Prada was fugly.

 

[44267547]

The notch seems to offend a lot of people lol

Is it weird that i actually quite like it😳 i think it gives the iPhone X character.

What so many don't consider about the notch, is this is a huge trademark feature for the iPhone. Anyone using the iPhone X in public, the Notch is the one thing that will identify it. Apple knows this and once the iPhone X releases, it likely won't be that big of a deal to some. But on a tech forum, it's devastating for some who can't look past it.

 

[Ralfi]

Geesh, Either the X is a laughable turd or the Second Coming, nothing in-between.

It's a Phone.

The internet...

Take your seat at the kids table, pick a side, belittle all who oppose you, & go wild.

 

[Ries]

Or it could be next on the list of failures
Apple Maps
iPhone 5c
Antennagate
Bendgate (they fixed in the next model)
Ping 2
Ping
The U2 debacle
Macintosh TV
MobileMe
eWorld
20th Anniversary Mac
Apple Bandai Pippin
Apple Macintosh Portable
ROKR Partner Ship
Apple III
Apple Lisa

 

[Diorama]

You forgot the G4 Cube

 

[xsimplyjosh]

i think the notch is fine. sure many people will argue against it but im kinda happy they went all screen now [almost].
because golly those bezels are thicc

 

[Oliveira46]

The FaceiD System is brilliant. Yes android did it first but oh my god was it horribly flawed and actually STILL IS ( typical android nonesense )

You can still hold up and picture and presto, instant access ( with some finessing ) . That’s why no one uses it. That is unacceptable. This is why Apple always wins. They do not release halfassed designs to its customers all in the name of innovation and to try to get ahead of Apple ( yes the iPhone 6 Bend Gate was a catastrophe.. but let’s face it. You put a phone that big in your back pocket and SIT ON IT. It WILL bend just like anything else )

iPhone X is wearing the best camera on any smart phone as well. Samsung cameras are laggy and pictures don’t come out looking natural. Mate 10’s pictures require YOU to do all of the work ( they say it’s for better control. No it’s pure laziness ) . iPhone’s iOS is so smart that it does all of the adjustments for you.

Android's Face-ID also is very slow and doesn't work in the dark... Apple Face-ID is really the only face recognition version that can really replace a fingerprint scanner, Android is totally a "yey we did it first" crap.

On the camera subject you're overcooking it. Iphone certainly is up there with the best, can't really say it's the best because it's at least matched by samsung and Pixel 2

 

[Dave245]

I don't think it will be as revolutionary as the first 2007 iPhone, BUT i do think a lot of people are underestimating it. What makes me laugh are all the comments trashing it when people on this forum haven't had hands on time with it yet.

There are people in the tech industry that seem to have had hands on time and are impressed. I'm personally looking forward to next weeks pre-order date, the iPhone X is the start of a new generation of iPhone. This guy who has had hands on time seems really impressed

 

[sumsingwong]

Android's Face-ID also is very slow and doesn't work in the dark... Apple Face-ID is really the only face recognition version that can really replace a fingerprint scanner, Android is totally a "yey we did it first" crap.

On the camera subject you're overcooking it. Iphone certainly is up there with the best, can't really say it's the best because it's at least matched by samsung and Pixel 2

I'm not defending Android because I love iOS but Sumsung has iris scanning which is more secure that Face ID and it uses IR in the dark. It's really fast as well.

 

[DNichter]

How exactly is Apple redefining the phone? I’m pretty sure the bezel less OLED screen has already been done...

Redefining is a bit of a stretch, but this is a major leap for iPhone users. Stretching the screen to each corner is going to make for an interesting experience using the phone. This is something that hasn't been done before. Aside from design changes, the removal of the home button and a gesture based UI is a pretty dramatic change. I'm looking forward to it.
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I'm not defending Android because I love iOS but Sumsung has iris scanning which is more secure that Face ID and it uses IR in the dark. It's really fast as well.

How do you know it's more secure when Face ID hasn't even been released yet? There were reports that the iris scanning was fooled also so I am not sure if it's all that more secure. Face ID works in the dark as well. Let's wait and see when it is released before we go claiming it's better or worse.

 

[Oliveira46]

I'm not defending Android because I love iOS but Sumsung has iris scanning which is more secure that Face ID and it uses IR in the dark. It's really fast as well.

I'm sorry mate, I bet you've never used it... Let me tell you, I did... and it's not fast or convenient.

First, you have to precisely line up your eyes with the indication of the screen, is a chore while sitting... a pain on the move.

Second, Iris scanner doesn't work well in the dark. Yes, it does work because uses IR, BUT, due to your pupils dilatation in the dark, it strugles sometimes to scan your iris because it got much smaller, as it's been proven by countless people that own the Galaxy S8.

Nobody uses it and above there are the reasons why.

 

[roeiz]

i read that iris scanning could be also fooled by a photo if i'm not mistaken

 

[Dave245]

I'm not defending Android because I love iOS but Sumsung has iris scanning which is more secure that Face ID and it uses IR in the dark. It's really fast as well.

No Samsung’s Iris scanning is not more secure than Face ID. Face ID is different in that it can recognise someone even as they change appearance such as wearing a hat, growing a beard and so on, Samsung’s Iris scanning doesn’t do that, also the face scanning on Samsung phones can be fooled with a simple picture.

 

[dallas112678]

Yep, and we saw all the features in the 2007 iPhone in other phones many times before. Now we get to experience the tech with the polish and engineering that Apple typically gives to technologies it's adopting, just like we saw in 2007.

That is exciting. Period. It's not a race to be done first, it's a race to be done best.

Again, it’s not the same, there are quite a few phones that looks just as polished or even more so. Also, the notch isn’t th best, so Apple already is 2nd on that front.

 

[fs454]

Again, it’s not the same, there are quite a few phones that looks just as polished or even more so. Also, the notch isn’t th best, so Apple already is 2nd on that front.

In your eyes. Apple being "2nd on that front" is not the law of the land.

 

[Diorama]

Every other phone has full width top and/or bottom bezels. Every other phone on earth as far as I can tell.

Can anyone post a picture of a non-iPhone with no bottom bezel?

 

[theluggage]

Now in the Tenth anniversary year Apple have again redefined the Smartphone

Even if the iPhone X turns out to be a great phone, comparing it to the original iPhone is ridiculous hyperbole and a discredit to how revolutionary the original iPhone was.

The iPhone's minimal design, large (for the time) display, multi-touch interface and bare minimum of physical controls were a complete departure from what went before. I had a WinCE smartphone at the time and it was a mess - it supported every input method under the sun, had a slide-out QWERTY keyboard, a toothpick stylus, a joypad, a jog wheel, half-a-dozen other physical buttons... and none of the software was optimised for any of them. Nokia/Blackberry were a bit better than WinCE but still a horrible UX compared to the iPhone.

(Yes, I went for an Android phone in the end, but I also own an iPad and an iPod touch, and I'm under no illusion that Android would have become what it is without the 'inspiration' of the original iPhone).

There is nothing on the iPhone X that isn't - at best - an incremental improvement on what has gone before. Android has had OLED for years. Wireless charging is nothing new. Many Android phones dropped the physical home button years ago. Bezels have been getting smaller, and Samsung have had their left/right wrap-around displays (with small top & bottom bezels) for a year or two. Extending the display to the bottom edge may look good, but its not going to revolutionise anything, and the "notch" shows why the top bezel is there for a reason (doesn't look as if Apple have done the sensible thing and permanently reserved the 'ears' for signal/battery/status icons - they're just trying to kid themselves that the notch isn't there). Other phones already offer working face/iris recognition (alongside fingerprint) - even if FaceID is better it isn't any sort of revolution and is clearly being pushed for form-over-function reasons because Apple couldn't crack a through-display fingerprint scanner.

I don't doubt that - barring some as-yet-unidentified "Xgate" - the iPhone X will be a decent phone (at $1000+ it had better be!) but it is absolutely not revolutionary.

 

[inscrewtable]

I'm not defending Android because I love iOS but Sumsung has iris scanning which is more secure that Face ID and it uses IR in the dark. It's really fast as well.

Really? https://arstechnica.com/information...locking-samsungs-galaxy-s8-is-laughably-easy/

 

[ericgtr12]

If we were allowed to post memes a black Friday gif of the crowd rushing in would be more than appropriate here.

 

[sumsingwong]

I'm sorry mate, I bet you've never used it... Let me tell you, I did... and it's not fast or convenient.

First, you have to precisely line up your eyes with the indication of the screen, is a chore while sitting... a pain on the move.

Second, Iris scanner doesn't work well in the dark. Yes, it does work because uses IR, BUT, due to your pupils dilatation in the dark, it strugles sometimes to scan your iris because it got much smaller, as it's been proven by countless people that own the Galaxy S8.

Nobody uses it and above there are the reasons why.

I have a Note 8 and use it all the time. It's pretty fast for me. Yes, you have to line up your eyes because its called an "iris" scanner that's scanning a pretty small surface on your eyeballs. It's a chore while sitting? Sure if you don't want to use your hands. How is Face ID any different if you are in a sitting position. You would still have to position your face in front of the phone and wouldn't you have to stay still for Face ID to scan your face for the truedepth camera to measure every inch your face? I mean it would be pretty hard while on the move to get the exact 3D measurement of a face if it's constantly moving. I could also unlock my phone with a verbal password. I love my Touch ID on my 6S+ but if face ID can be fooled by twins, no thanks.

I don't experience slow unlocks in the dark either.

 

[sumsingwong]

i read that iris scanning could be also fooled by a photo if i'm not mistaken

It can't be fooled with a photo.

“It would require the unlikely situation of having possession of the high-resolution image of the smartphone owner's iris with IR camera, a contact lens and possession of their smartphone at the same time."