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What about radioactive waste? Or Crotch Crickets?

I think, Tim Cooks "innovations" fall under that category.

And I am afraid, that millions of panicking but healthy people will flood the ERs of hospitals because of their watch alarms them ... 99,99% will walk out these hospitals having nothing, while that 0,01% will be presented to us by Cook in his next Keynote... and how the "Apple Watch saved one life" ...

It is not the watch that saves that life, but the doctors, and Jony's bones can't tell, if the watch will lead to a true statistically significant benefit of public health. Only double-blinded studies over decades can prove that.

But that red ECG-line and lots of hand clapping?advertising will work to fool enough people into believing it...

I agree, but this is not the fault of the Apple Watch. Its the fault of the poor education people get here in America. People are taught that anytime you think something is not right health wise to go the emergency room (or doctor) and get a pill. Doctors think this way, patients thinks this way, insurance companies think this way, everyone thinks this way.

People should be educated about their bodies such that they can make a reasonable guess about how important health events are. But they are not.

In the case of the Apple Watch, I do think it will fill an important need. That is to be able to go to the doctor during a regular checkup (or when your body indicates a problem) and say, hey, I had this odd feeling and here is the inaccurate ECG that my watch produced. That has value.

But I do agree that the real benefit will be to the drug companies, because now there are going to be a whole lot more people put on drugs whose only purpose will be to give the feeling that something was done when their inaccurate Apple Watch sounded the alarm. Doctors do that today for blood pressure, cholesterol, etc. Why not ECG.
 
Remember when he said that “the iPhone X is so amazing because it will be able to do things a year from now that it isn’t able to to today” and not only new features on the X amount to a grand total of zilch and the iPhone XS is practically the same thing?

Same thing here.

You know what’s significant? Having enough cash to buy half the countries in the world and still shipping a goddamn 5W charger with your latest phone.
 
Yes, wonderful answer. It is not about the product anymore, it is only about the stock. What sad decline of a once leading creative different thinking company. Not expecting real innovation under Cook. So sad!
Everything is related.

The iPhone is on a new level now...much better than during the Jobs era. He might have taken it to this level, but that is just a pointless game to play.

Watch is growing rapidly, AirPods are great, Services are taking over, the mobile silicon is the best in the industry, AR is going to be a major thing, etc etc.

Cook has done a fantastic job. The shares wouldn't be this high if he sucked at his job.
 
Too bad Apple still does not allow the owners of the watch to do whatever they want for a watch face and complications.

I was looking forward to buying a series 4 to replace my series 0, but since they dropped the iPhone SE, I won't be getting a new iPhon anytime soon. All I need is a basic small iPhone that fits well in my pocket.

I started with the Mac 512k and am getting tired apple forcing me to overbuying for my items.
 
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This watch sure looks good and I would sure like to have one. The only problem is that when I put one, a borrowed version 3, on my wrist it looks like an electronic bracelet put on by the police to keep track of me while out on bail. They are just way too big for my wrist. (sigh), maybe some day.
 
This watch sure looks good and I would sure like to have one. The only problem is that when I put one, a borrowed version 3, on my wrist it looks like an electronic bracelet put on by the police to keep track of me while out on bail. They are just way too big for my wrist. (sigh), maybe some day.


They have 2 sizes.

Try the smaller one?
 
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To some of us, it is more than just a watch. Being one of the people who have health issues the watch can help monitor and maintain, it's become more important to me than my phone, my laptop, or even having a car.

Being able to get a heads up before y have a syncopic episode has saved me from potential live ending events (fainting in a car while driving 65 on the interstate would be catastrophic).

And I just have the first gen watch. I use it to feed data to an app that monitors my heart rate at a set rate and gives me an alarm when the rate rises or drops below thresholds. Now that the Series 4 does a lot of that build in, and I don't necessarily have to be tethered to my phone, it will become even more invaluable.

As for Jony's pretentiousness, well, the man does design Apple products. You kind of want someone who's really really in love with your company and product to design for you. Can't fault him for that.

Apple Watch's health features are quite good indeed. ECG in a watch is quite amazing. However, if you are prone to syncopal episodes, it may not be appropriate for you to be driving...
 
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Looking forward to an Apple Watch in 10-15 years that can constantly monitor my vitals, warn me when I'm starting to come down sick, and stay connected to my doctor and emergency services in case something serious happens. Nearly like a tricorder but always running silently in the background.
 
This watch sure looks good and I would sure like to have one. The only problem is that when I put one, a borrowed version 3, on my wrist it looks like an electronic bracelet put on by the police to keep track of me while out on bail. They are just way too big for my wrist. (sigh), maybe some day.
I stopped wearing my orange jumpsuit for that same exact reason.
 
Exactly, which is why you don't really rely on it, unless you're just relying on it to take a guess that something might be wrong.

Again, it's better than nothing, but the decision is whether it's worth buying the Apple Watch for this or some other wearable.

Not really unless you are in an at-risk group, while afib is the most common arrhythmia it isn't really that common, certainly not enough to warrant an upgrade from S2/3. You aren't technically supposed to rely on it if you are already have afib (according to the FDA), but it is still better than nothing, or indeed better than the next best thing which is the Kardia Band (also FDA approved etc).

I’m wodering/hoping whether some clever researcher can develop other algorithms for the electrical signal sensors to detect othermedical conditions?
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Exactly, the time keeping aspect is marginal compared with all the other things it can and will do.
Quite a few can already be done with varying degrees of accuracy, the problem is with the people wearing them :D, or rather telling them about it because of false positives/negatives, detection failure etc.
 
What about radioactive waste? Or Crotch Crickets?

I think, Tim Cooks "innovations" fall under that category.

And I am afraid, that millions of panicking but healthy people will flood the ERs of hospitals because of their watch alarms them ... 99,99% will walk out these hospitals having nothing, while that 0,01% will be presented to us by Cook in his next Keynote... and how the "Apple Watch saved one life" ...

It is not the watch that saves that life, but the doctors, and Jony's bones can't tell, if the watch will lead to a true statistically significant benefit of public health. Only double-blinded studies over decades can prove that.

But that red ECG-line and lots of hand clapping?advertising will work to fool enough people into believing it...

One last time: Tim Cook is the CEO, not the designer, not the engineer. That's why you have staff in those positions. He's responsible for running the company, not whatever it is that you regard as "innovations".

As far as your statistical model, it's BS. First, those with an afib indication or other anomaly will go see a cardiologist in a clinic, by appointment, not the ED. And it won't take "decades" of "double-blind studies" to establish the benefit of early warning, any more than it would take a cardiologist decades to diagnose an irregular heartbeat.
 
Not really unless you are in an at-risk group, while afib is the most common arrhythmia it isn't really that common, certainly not enough to warrant an upgrade from S2/3. You aren't technically supposed to rely on it if you are already have afib (according to the FDA), but it is still better than nothing, or indeed better than the next best thing which is the Kardia Band (also FDA approved etc).


Quite a few can already be done with varying degrees of accuracy, the problem is with the people wearing them :D, or rather telling them about it because of false positives/negatives, detection failure etc.
Where are you getting these rankings? Best? Next best?
 
I wonder how many false alarms the watch will produce to police or medics because of this feature? Time will soon tell...
Yeah I’m sure Apple did no testing of this feature at all and the FDA approved it for no good reason.
 
Where are you getting these rankings? Best? Next best?
Should have specified, I'm talking about in terms of practicality (especially if you already wear some kind of smartwatch), loop recorder or holter are obviously functionally better.
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So no body temp measurements yet????
Can't get core temp from wrist, would be pretty useless.
 
Not really unless you are in an at-risk group, while afib is the most common arrhythmia it isn't really that common, certainly not enough to warrant an upgrade from S2/3. You aren't technically supposed to rely on it if you are already have afib (according to the FDA), but it is still better than nothing, or indeed better than the next best thing which is the Kardia Band (also FDA approved etc).


Quite a few can already be done with varying degrees of accuracy, the problem is with the people wearing them :D, or rather telling them about it because of false positives/negatives, detection failure etc.

The great thing about it is, with such a mainstream device, it’s a great opportunity to advance the technology with the data collected by Apple and others. It offers a great starting point to build upon for future software and sensor updates in future releases.
 
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