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Judge Dismisses Android-Switching iMessage Lawsuit Against Apple
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I rarely buy the same brand auto twice in a row, the dealer can't really do anything to get me in the same brand. My other friend all he buys are 750il one after another. Family is all iPhone and probably unlikely to switch.
Everybody has their own story.
What a shame. Out of all the frivolous lawsuits out there, this wasn't one of them. As a victim of this several times over the years I have certainly lost important messages and had issues. I'm still going through this as we speak, I turned off facetime/imessage/icloud on my iPhone before removing the sim and putting it into a note 5 and still can't message or group message certain people, and don't receive their messages. I even went to Apple's website to turn it off manually.
The legal system has processes to deal with such bias should it be shown to exist. Guilty until proven innocent is the mantra.
That doesn't warrant a lawsuit. Switch from Apple never to return again, tell friends and family about your experience, advise people to avoid the iPhone, write reviews, talk to the BBB or maybe your local consumer affairs ombudsman. Only in the US do people see this as worthy of litigation.
Good job judge...
This case should of be dropped ages ago..
There is no evidence that is was ever a "wire tap act"
Apple offered a convenient way to get uses to use iMessage by automatically registering their number for use on the system... If Apple doesn't implement a way to allow users to de-register that number till later on, that's not Apple's fault...
Users ought to know that imessage is tired to a users number,,, how else could Apple do this for free?... so it only makes sense to phone up Apple and get the the number de-registered.. until the convenient tool came along that is.
By the same token, I guess there could of been a case of Apple not allowing de-registering of the users phone number automatically in iOS as well when iMessage was turned "Off" and that could still be a case, as despite the tool, it doesn't always work either.
This case should of be dropped ages ago..
There is no evidence that is was ever a "wire tap act"
Apple offered a convenient way to get uses to use iMessage by automatically registering their number for use on the system... If Apple doesn't implement a way to allow users to de-register that number till later on, that's not Apple's fault...
Users ought to know that imessage is tired to a users number,,, how else could Apple do this for free?... so it only makes sense to phone up Apple and get the the number de-registered.. until the convenient tool came along that is.
By the same token, I guess there could of been a case of Apple not allowing de-registering of the users phone number automatically in iOS as well when iMessage was turned "Off" and that could still be a case, as despite the tool, it doesn't always work either.
If Apple doesn't offer a way to do this, this isn't Apple fault? Wow....
Well... no.. Apple lock-in... we know that from being Apple users. Seems ok to me. Apple offered the tool, because switches needed/complained about not getting messages after moving over to non-Apple devices.
They wouldn't have done that on their own accord otherwise. Maybe i'm missing something,.
They wouldn't have done that on their own accord otherwise. Maybe i'm missing something,.
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Apple did not hold phone numbers hostage. These switchers failed to unregister their phone numbers from iCloud first. This was partly user error for not correctly discontinuing their iCloud setup prior to removing a device from the network. Apple just made it idiot-proof when they released the tool to unregister the numbers afterwards for any user that did not have another Apple device to do that.
Using my Mac, I can unregister my phone numbers from within the Messages application. The tool that Apple released just does the same thing, but for those that don't have an Apple product.
You're missing a lot. That's not snark. Apple lock-in? This is not a form of lock-in. This situation was an unintended consequence of they way Apple implemented iMessage. It could have been remedied 2 years ago by Apple using the same fix offered in 2014.
This: "Apple offered a convenient way to get uses to use iMessage by automatically registering their number for use on the system... If Apple doesn't implement a way to allow users to de-register that number till later on, that's not Apple's fault..." I have almost no words as a rejoinder.
The case was tossed because the plaintiff's were woefully unprepared. As is your defense of Apple in this instance.
They shouldn't have to do that, plain and simple.
So, if you decided to move your number from Telstra (provider a) to Optus (provider b), you would be cool with people on Telstra no longer being able to sms you?
Though it's cool and all, cause 2 years down the track Tesltra offered a tool.....though for some people it still does not work.
Calling Tesltra support over and over resulted in them telling you, they could not resolve it.
So your option was to get a new number all together or have all your friends move to Optus... Or have your friends on Telstra turn off iMessage .
Are you for real?
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The lawsuit was stupid in the first place. Wasting the courts time over something like this should cost the plaintiffs money. They should be paying all of Apple's legal defense costs. You don't file a lawsuit over something trivial like text messages. You are using a system that DOESN'T guarantee delivery of any message, so how can you complain when you don't get one? Get real folks. And get a friggin life. It's called a phone call if someone doesn't think you're getting a message.
Some people use their phone for business, you know. In many cases a text is more reliable than leaving a voice message because carriers delete them after a while or the recipient does not have access from abroad.
What's Koh's history like with official decisions involving Apple? Would she really be in Apple's back pockets? And aren't the front pockets more fun to play in?
Sure it does, if there was something of value which was lost due to the service.
I can only speak for myself, but I did unregister my phone number. In fact I turned off imessage/facetime/icloud/findmyphone before I even removed my SIM. After having text difficulties with my Note 5 I even went to Apple's website and once again successfully deregistered. Well even months later I still cannot text or receive texts from some people who I had imessage with, especially group messages. I actually still have the iPhone 6s+ sitting in a drawer and have even reinserted the sim and made sure everything was off.
In trying to fix my issue I've ran across dozens of people complaining about the same thing, properly turning everything off and/or deregistering and having issues. I'm not saying that's representative, but it does exist. I'm not surprised that there exists this weird undercurrent of trying to foist this on people's stupidity though, but in my experience it's not accurate at all.
Every day, people the world over lose things of value due to a company or person mishandling a product or service. It's only in the US where people, en masse, feel the need to sue over such things (in other countries individuals who allow themselves to be over-influenced by US media attempt the same and are often disappointed).
Exactly, this is the biggest bunch of nonsense. I switched to Android for 3 years and the day I switched I went into setting on my iPhone and unchecked my phone number and then just turned off iMessage. I did the same with FaceTime. I never missed any messages once I switched. So, while its true that you have to make some effort to disconnect from iMessage. To say that this is still an ongoing issue for people that have long ago got rid of there phones is just hard to believe.
Thank you! I wasn't going to respond but you really handled this well. Its amazing to me how people casually throw around accusations of bribery without actually thinking about it for a second.
The behaviour Apple has consistently demonstrated with this iMessage issue in my opinion warrants them being fined within the European Union 10% of their gross operating profits, that's the maximum penalty when corporations really screw up.
Apple did one hell of an achievement, they broke the SMS system with their own locked down version. It's been anti competitive and anti consumer since the beginning.
iMessage doesn't come with a clear consumer friendly warning stating you may not receive messages from other iMessage users on this number ever if you leave the iMessage system!
They launch a fix that doesn't always work and all the Apple fanbase has to say is your a STUPID USER if you don't know about turning iMessage off, something the average Apple consumer would have zero clue about as Apple won't tell them until 'after' they've switched. The same consumers sucked in by Apples mass marketing of it just works mantra and style.
Yet the typical Apple case judge, Koh, throws the case out. My they are doing well this week, Ericsson apparently let them off very lightly and now this case is thrown out.
Apple did one hell of an achievement, they broke the SMS system with their own locked down version. It's been anti competitive and anti consumer since the beginning.
iMessage doesn't come with a clear consumer friendly warning stating you may not receive messages from other iMessage users on this number ever if you leave the iMessage system!
They launch a fix that doesn't always work and all the Apple fanbase has to say is your a STUPID USER if you don't know about turning iMessage off, something the average Apple consumer would have zero clue about as Apple won't tell them until 'after' they've switched. The same consumers sucked in by Apples mass marketing of it just works mantra and style.
Yet the typical Apple case judge, Koh, throws the case out. My they are doing well this week, Ericsson apparently let them off very lightly and now this case is thrown out.
IMO, this would not have happened without the Governments elevated attacks against iMessage not having a back door. I disagree that Lucy is in Apple's Pocket. In fact, I believe she has demonstrated quite the opposite over the years.
IMO, she is siding with Apple's Stand to keep iMessage as it is. Allowing this case to move forward could have lead to a back door. She clearly feels the Govt. is overreaching on accessing personal data.
So people should be thankful this was dismissed. Unless of course you're keen to a faster path for Uncle Sam to be in your bedroom. That is why you have choice in the device and OS you run. It's only a switch in settings people.
IMO, she is siding with Apple's Stand to keep iMessage as it is. Allowing this case to move forward could have lead to a back door. She clearly feels the Govt. is overreaching on accessing personal data.
So people should be thankful this was dismissed. Unless of course you're keen to a faster path for Uncle Sam to be in your bedroom. That is why you have choice in the device and OS you run. It's only a switch in settings people.
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I know, right? No one across the whole of Europe has been able to send a standard SMS text message since iMessage was released! And talk about anti-competitive--since Apple denied everyone the ability to send SMS messages no one had any choice but to use iMessage! All those with flip phones couldn't text! Android phones couldn't text! Apple forced the populous to use iPhones and iMessage, no one had any choice!!!one!!eleven!