This is another reason why I'm fine to be a late adopter for this phone type. I'll enjoy my 8+ for 2-4 years and watch how the tech evolves.
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This is another reason why I'm fine to be a late adopter for this phone type. I'll enjoy my 8+ for 2-4 years and watch how the tech evolves.
Android world doesn't seem to care much about 3D touch, the last 'innovation' Apple did, why would they care about True Depth camera that's slower than Touch ID and can't be used in many situations like using dark sun glasses etc?
The face camera does use infrared. They said it, and it’s in the specs, but they haven’t shouted it. That’s why its not going to be as easily fooled by photos or masks, how it reads thru light scarfs, glasses, and facial hair, and also how it reads the dot patterns used.
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Yes. “A” Chinese manufacturer can make it work on “a” model of phone and maybe if they’re lucky sell a million of them. They’ll support it for one Android version til they’re bored and then just abandon the product and support. Apple has to support what they make for TENS of millions of phones for FIVE years of OS versions. It’s a whole order of magnitude bigger task than just slapping something that barely works on a device.
Ahh, so you know it all do you. I bow to your greater knowledge, me being ignorant an all. You read a the internet as well? You do know that companies work on numerous ideas simultaneously don’t you.
Even Apple concede they were working on TouchID under the screen until recently and only stopped when they sure FaceID was working well enough - fact, no one knows when that was other than Apple.
You do know that these startups you mention were doing this before the X was announced, I.e. companies in their 100’s have been working on biometric security systems (face, iris, finger, palm) for decades. Just cus Apple are doing a version doesn’t mean the whole world has just woken up to the idea. I never said at any time, that FaceID was out as soon as anyone cracked under screen finger print scanning, I just said (in my opinion) that TouchID under a screen or whatever it might be called in the industry would be a more elegant solution. Apple have basically discredited Touch now so they have made their direction clear
Even Apple concede they were working on TouchID under the screen until recently and only stopped when they sure FaceID was working well enough - fact, no one knows when that was other than Apple.
You do know that these startups you mention were doing this before the X was announced, I.e. companies in their 100’s have been working on biometric security systems (face, iris, finger, palm) for decades. Just cus Apple are doing a version doesn’t mean the whole world has just woken up to the idea. I never said at any time, that FaceID was out as soon as anyone cracked under screen finger print scanning, I just said (in my opinion) that TouchID under a screen or whatever it might be called in the industry would be a more elegant solution. Apple have basically discredited Touch now so they have made their direction clear
There was literally an article shortly after (barely a week) the iPhone X announcement that stated a lot of start ups have been getting a flood of interest from a lot of major phone manufacturers. That’s not before FaceID was announced, it was AFTER.
Fingerprint under the screen isn’t any more elegant than just looking at the device. Fingerprint under the screen doesn’t add anything to current TouchID as far as security or usability. It’s the same ol’ TouchID just under the display. FaceID factually is more secure (1:1,000,000 vs 1:50,000)
Not sure how reliable it is, but Android users like options
And different users have different needs so it depends on how much security they want
Some people don’t care too much as long as it’s someone secure
I hadn’t seen this video before, but I think it shows Face ID working pretty well. I know myself and a lot of people were curious as to if you’d need to bring the phone up to a certain level and stare at it. It seems to just take a short glance as you bring it up to use it. It seemed pretty natural. Next I know I’ll have to get a feel for the swipe up to the homescreen. I’m confident I’ll adapt to both fairly quickly as I usually do, but I’m looking forward to the new gesture based UI. No home button should be interesting.
Thank you for the insight, I wasn’t aware of Samsung’s iris scanning problems
But it’s makes me wonder if it’s Samsung being lazy and putting a half baked feature in, or it’s the method all around (iris scanning)
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Apple is investing heavily in AR on a variety of fronts. The 3D front facing camera is just one step in realizing the full potential of AR. At the moment it's a technology demonstrator showing AR's potential, and is also useful for unlocking the X.
When Apple puts a 3D camera on the back, and Apple's AR Kit is developed further, the true potential of AR can be realized opening up all sorts of possibilities.
No worries if you think AR is a gimmick - it's not something you're required to use.
However, there are many forward-thinking developers and engineers who understand the benefits, and with their vision, imagination, and Apple's AR Kit, will be bringing interesting and very useful applications to market.
I'm excited for the notch iPhone too. It looks a lot better and appears to be more functional as well. Nice Hat Trick Apple.
Funnily enough, the swipe up to home screen brings back a “feature” many (in the vacuum of MR) complained that went away back in iOS 10. Swipe To Unlock. This essentially is Swipe To Unlock with the added security (people liked swipe to unlock because they didn’t like having a passcode so they could easily just swipe in. With FaceID it basically gives you that sense of no passcode and a easy swipe to get in, but with actual security)
No, no! Face ID is a failure! We should stick with Touch ID because... reasons! We shouldn't move on at all from the old technology to new technology because... more reasons!
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I think you should stop calling folks ignorant and brush up on your reading and ccmprehensiion skills
I didn’t even realize that, very good point. Should be even more natural than I was expecting. I think Face ID should be a nice step forward.
Samsung was being lazy and just pushing an unfinished feature out the door in an attempt to “wow” people and say “look what we have no one else is doing.” Apple’s implementation doesn’t reply solely on IR. It also 3D maps your face. It has other sensors to aid in situations IR alone may struggle.
And iris scanning is trillions:1. Your point?. As for what is more elegant, my OPINION is finger print.
Whoever gets credible & viable "Touch ID under Glass" working first,will win the day ... that could be Apple, or it could be someone else.
The ONLY reason the iPhone X does NOT include "Touch ID under Glass" is because Apple couldn't get it working by the Intro date !
Upon the first credible & viable "Touch ID under Glass" success story, Face ID will quickly become a novelty.
The TrueDepth camera has many viable applications with the Back camera, but NOT the front !
Apple labeled their 7s family of products the 8 family ... why did they do that ??? ... whoever can figure that out will have Good Insight into the entire situation.
In other words, will the 8s include a Rear-facing TrueDepth camera ??? ... I believe so, but I'm just guessing.
The ONLY reason the iPhone X does NOT include "Touch ID under Glass" is because Apple couldn't get it working by the Intro date !
Upon the first credible & viable "Touch ID under Glass" success story, Face ID will quickly become a novelty.
The TrueDepth camera has many viable applications with the Back camera, but NOT the front !
Apple labeled their 7s family of products the 8 family ... why did they do that ??? ... whoever can figure that out will have Good Insight into the entire situation.
In other words, will the 8s include a Rear-facing TrueDepth camera ??? ... I believe so, but I'm just guessing.
Too bad Samsung’s implementation is weak (and no where near what a real iris scanner would do) and only took a few days to crack by using a photo and some contact lenses.
Um, yes... Yes, you did.
Anyway, what is it about human nature that forces so many to cling desperately and passionately to one side of an argument without being willing to give any credence to the other side at all. Video game platforms, computer platforms, phone platforms. Isn't it just possible that each of us is unique enough that there will never be a one-size-fits-all approach for everybody's everyday life? I have friends who use Android, or play XBox or prefer Windows, and you know what... we all get along just fine and nobody wants to stab anyone's eyes out or anything. Is it just some internet thing that kills the part of the brain that says to act like civilized human beings? I feel like, especially in light of all the stuff going on in the news, there are better things to get this riled up about than whether or not FaceID is leaps ahead or years behind. Use whatever works best for you and who gives a flying flip if it doesn't work best for someone else.