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I've read that number but not sure how Fry or Cook came up with it.

A search of the USPTO for inventor=Ive and assignee=Apple comes up with about 1340, almost all of which are Design patents. You know, for drawings of everything from computer cases, to dongles, to homescreen wallpapers, watchbands, packaging, and even just labels.

Most of the patents have the typical Apple ten or more names on them, meaning he was likely included because he was the boss and could claim to have made some kind of suggestion (the same way Jobs ended up on so many patents).
heh, yeah.. maybe j.Ive wasn't the best guy to use for that point.
 
Apple has always been ahead of its time. Some may seem to be like catching up with Samsung, but really though, Apple perfected the thing Samsung or its competitors had.

In the end, it’s all about who makes the money more...
 
I hope Face ID works as well as Apple claims it will, or at least close. From what I have read, Android face and/or Iris scan doesn't.But that fact doesn't mean Apple's face scan will actually work well enough to replace Touch ID. At this point I'm not sure I trust technical sites, as most seem to have a bias for or against Apple. What I want is a fact based review by a company or reviewer not seen as either pro or anti-Apple. An honest comparison with other brands security measures would be nice also.

I'd like those things, but they aren't very likely.
 
At this point I'm not sure I trust technical sites, as most seem to have a bias for or against Apple. What I want is a fact based review by a company or reviewer not seen as either pro or anti-Apple. An honest comparison with other brands security measures would be nice also.

I'd like those things, but they aren't very likely.

once the X is out, look for the reviewers who lean towards the anti-apple side..
if they're saying "Face ID seems to do what it's supposed to but it's a gimmick and will fade away"..

then, you'll know it works good ;)

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No matter how you spin it. Face ID is no where near as efficient and quick as Touch ID.
do you really think people who speak positively about FaceID or say they can see it as being easier/faster/more natural than touch ID .. are spinning the truth?

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on a side note.. i would definitely spin faceID as being a more natural form of recognition than touchID.
 
Apple has always been ahead of its time. Some may seem to be like catching up with Samsung, but really though, Apple perfected the thing Samsung or its competitors had.

In the end, it’s all about who makes the money more...

In the past Apple usually sells 200M+ units of it's most recent flagship phone in a year. Samsung's latest flagship phone, is what, about 10M in a year?

This year will be a little different with Apple bringing out two (but with one delayed) phones. Still, I suspect combined it will be at least 200M units.
 
I love the idea of FaceID. I really hope it works as well as they say. Confident it'll be good on day 1 and great at year 4. Surely the goal here is that you pick up your phone and start using it without even realizing you're authenticating it. It should be that seamless. It sees that you are you and launches. I'd like future versions of iOS do away with the swipe up gesture. I pick up my phone and I'm in springboard. This would be the ideal time for Apple to finally push to widgets on springboard. The App gold rush has played itself out and people are averaging fewer than 1 app downloads per month. Most people are using about 6 apps regularly. Save some of that space for my news, missed call, new email, weather, etc. notifications/widgets. Maybe whatever Apple's version of Today is, with some Siri smarts built in. Would love to see the things they're tinkering with in their labs.
 
It’s not even close to the same thing. Samsung’s iris scanner is another half assed attempt that gets fooled by something as simple as picture.

Uhh.. no it does not. There are two forms of Samsung Face scanning. One is the face, which *can* be fooled by a twin. The other is the Iris, it will not be fooled.

Microsofts Lumia 950/XL also had this tech.
 
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Its so funny that Fandroids are always claiming Apple is years behind on so many features, yet when it comes down to it Apple is not in the race of adding new garbage features on their phones first. Every single innovation Apple has added to the iPhone first has gone on to define the entire industry (Multitouch, retina, facetime, touch ID). Apple is about focus, and creating truly groundbreaking features that advance technology forward. This is why I'm confident that Face ID is going to be a KILLER feature!
 
First with multi-touch (just getting it as smooth as the iPhone took a decade)

Then retina
- Touch-ID
- Secure enclaves that doesn’t expose the private key
- 64 Bit
- Swift/APFS
- CPU design
- GPU design
- Camera and haptics(arguable)
- AR
- And now TrueDepth.

Apple is/was years ahead in all these categories. They have set a tremendous foundation.

Obviously the first iPhone was monumental, the rest though..

Retina was nice, but it was from LG just like the display of the X is from Samsung.

Enclave/64 Bit really didn't open any doors.

Swift is.. just another OOP.

CPU is certainly a highlight of Apple.

Apple was ahead with *maybe* the front facing camera and usage, but the backside Camera Nokia lead the way until LG/Samsung took over. Things like Optical Image Stabilization and massive sensors kept Nokia ahead.

The have an opportunity with AR.. but it's still holding a phone out in front of you, they need to push that to a separate device.

TrueDepth is cool.. but it's not really all that useful.
 
(Multitouch, retina, facetime, touch ID).

Leave out retina. Others did that long before Apple. And OLED of course.

Other phones also had video calling and fingerprint sensors.

In fact, almost everyone shared the same print sensor supplier, and thus everyone would've shared the same updated sensor, but Apple bought the supplier in order to block it from others.
 
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No matter how you spin it. Face ID is no where near as efficient and quick as Touch ID.

So, you’ve already used it side by side with Touch ID?

I honestly see Face ID plus swiping up as not being much different than Touch ID and pressing the Home button. I’m looking forward to having it in-hand to compare, but impressions so far make it not seem that much different. And if you’ve used iOS 11, the swipe up is very natural and part of the overall experience.
 
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Too bad Samsung’s implementation is weak (and no where near what a real iris scanner would do) and only took a few days to crack by using a photo and some contact lenses.

From what I remember Touch ID was hacked in 48 hours. It actually takes the person alot of diligent work to hack the Iris scanner. Who really wants to go through all of the steps to hack the Iris scanner? You need specific contact lens, the right photo, infrared light, and a specific photo printer for it to work plus Samsung secured it even more since that last hack so no telling what you need now. The Iris scanner only keeps improving. Who is gonna come to your eye to even take a photo of your Iris???? Please tell me....

https://arstechnica.com/information...pples-touch-id-its-easier-than-you-may-think/

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/tech...anner-not-that-easy-to-hack-says-samsung.html
 
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TrueDepth is cool.. but it's not really all that useful.
probably pretty useful.
i won't be surprised when we see a relative of it in computer driven cars.


(that aside, i can see it as being highly useful in a handheld device as well.. i hope it makes it to the rear cameras eventually)
 
The usability and security of Iris scanner is inferior to Face ID. I haven't used Face ID, but based on hardware, demonstrations, and documents, this is proven to be the case.

I think so too. I have S8+ but I always go back to using Pin or fingerprint scanner if it's not laid flat on the table. With iris scanner, I have to align the phone with my eyes every time which makes me look ridiculous when I'm out in the public and it doesn't work on broad day light.
 
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Problems with Face ID are not of technological type, but functionality. Why should the phone get unlocked just because I looked at it ? By using Touch ID user concedes to an action. On the contrary, Face ID triggers something automatically whether you were intended to do it or not. It’s not the same.

And also do not forget; With Touch ID gone, the home button is also gone. That’s another piece of functionality lost.
 
Problems with Face ID are not of technological type, but functionality. Why should the phone get unlocked just because I looked at it ?
i don't think it will if it's not awake? (not positive)
if the phone is sitting on a table and you look at it, it won't unlock.

if the phone is sitting on a table and you tap it.. it will wake up then unlock if it sees you. (but won't open).

if it works anything how TouchID works, when the phone is awake and unlocked*, it will relock in ~5 seconds unless you press home/swipe up..

(*when it's in the following state)

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By using Touch ID user concedes to an action. On the contrary, Face ID triggers something automatically whether you were intended to do it or not. It’s not the same.

tbh, i think certain aspects of how faceID works in actual usage is simply an unknown..

ie- if it does do these things that may sound weird right now, are these things going to feel problematic? or does the phone generally do certain things only when desired?
if it unlocks at times, does it get in the way? make you go wtf? or sort of just disappear?



it probably won't be the same though.. that's a known.
 
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Whenever I see animated emojis brought up I immediately feel bad for those that have little imagination as to what Apple's AR technology will bring.

Boo, I hate comments like these. They really don't recognize that even the little Emoji thing is something that was pretty much exclusive to movie producers at high costs with specialized equipment until recently, and the fact that it is embedded into a phone makes it even more incredible.

Animojis may be a simplistic way to show off said technology, but that doesn't limits it's use in other cases. Entertainment is a great way to make things like this approachable to the general user.
 
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Boo, I hate comments like these. They really don't recognize that even the little Emoji thing is something that was pretty much exclusive to movie producers at high costs with specialized equipment until recently, and the fact that it is embedded into a phone makes it even more incredible.

old school trueDepth camera :
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Problems with Face ID are not of technological type, but functionality. Why should the phone get unlocked just because I looked at it ? By using Touch ID user concedes to an action. On the contrary, Face ID triggers something automatically whether you were intended to do it or not. It’s not the same.

And also do not forget; With Touch ID gone, the home button is also gone. That’s another piece of functionality lost.

This. Probably my biggest issue with the X. FaceID is just invasive. With TouchID I control when the phone unlocks, FaceID takes that control away and it decides when the phone should be unlocked. Thats a no-go.

Boo, I hate comments like these. They really don't recognize that even the little Emoji thing is something that was pretty much exclusive to movie producers at high costs with specialized equipment until recently, and the fact that it is embedded into a phone makes it even more incredible.

Animojis may be a simplistic way to show off said technology, but that doesn't limits it's use in other cases. Entertainment is a great way to make things like this approachable to the general user.

I think it speaks volumes about the iPhone X that the best way to showcase it is through an animated, talking pile of crap.
 
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