KGI: TrueDepth Camera Gives Apple 2.5 Year Lead Over Android Competitors

[flameproof]

First in some, last in some. Apple was late in a few technologies, like 3G, LTE. Now wireless charging.

And still no 2nd SIM phones, SD cards, usable NFC, alternate App stores.

But for me, key point is, whatever comes out nowadays, there are no killer function one must have. Everything is sort of marginal not-bad or ok-to-have. Same counts for Samsung's FaceID and rounded displays. In most 'new' technologies I can't see to much user benefit. And I wonder if we ever see any again.

 

[deanthedev]

No matter how you spin it. Face ID is no where near as efficient and quick as Touch ID.

FaceID is going to be far quicker and more efficient for many things.

I have Apps that require TouchID before you can use them. So I have to tap the App icon to launch the App, then move a finger down to the Home button to unlock using TouchID.

Now all I need to do is tap the icon and the App simply opens up. Since I’m ALREADY looking at my phone, FaceID will identify me as soon as the App launches. This saves an extra step. It also makes one-handed use much easier as I don’t have to make an awkward movement to access the Home button for TouchID after tapping the App icon.

You shouldn’t speak in absolutes about something you apparently didn’t even a minute thinking about.

 

[iSayBoourns]

This. Probably my biggest issue with the X. FaceID is just invasive. With TouchID I control when the phone unlocks, FaceID takes that control away and it decides when the phone should be unlocked. Thats a no-go.



I think it speaks volumes about the iPhone X that the best way to showcase it is through an animated, talking pile of crap.

FaceID doesn’t take control it will be completely seamless and you probably wouldn’t even notice it being there.

It doesn’t do anything unless the screen wakes (so via side button, tap to wake, raise to wake) it then as shown in numerous hands on videos unlock at a near instant speed. The phone will be instantly be ready for you to proceed, but if all you wanted to do was look at a notification then you simply put the phone down/put the screen to sleep and ignore the fact it unlocked. It’s as if you didn’t unlock it at all but at the same time you did and would have been ready for you to go to the home screen had you wanted to. Not sure how that makes TouchID better making you have to rest a finger on a button when wanting to vs doing practically nothing.

If you can’t underatand how much it actually costs a lot of studios to do that kind of face tracking today and soon to have an iPhone be able to do it stock/built right in (and expanded with 3rd party apps) is a huge advancement. This technology applies to film, tv, video game production.

 

[deanthedev]

From what I remember Touch ID was hacked in 48 hours. It actually takes the person alot of diligent work to hack the Iris scanner. Who really wants to go through all of the steps to hack the Iris scanner? You need specific contact lens, the right photo, infrared light, and a specific photo printer for it to work plus Samsung secured it even more since that last hack so no telling what you need now. The Iris scanner only keeps improving. Who is gonna come to your eye to even take a photo of your Iris???? Please tell me....

https://arstechnica.com/information...pples-touch-id-its-easier-than-you-may-think/

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/tech...anner-not-that-easy-to-hack-says-samsung.html

It was the same group that hacked TouchID that did Samsung’s iris scanner (CCC in Germany).

They stated outright that the iris scanner is easier to defeat than TouchID for two specific reasons. One is that it’s harder to lift a viable print than it is to take a picture of a persons eyes and two that transferring the print to material to simulate a finger is harder than placing a contact lens over a print of your eye.

I’m curious what you have to say about this. You know, since the group that hacked both systems say the iris is easier to accomplish.

 

[jamesrick80]

It was the same group that hacked TouchID that did Samsung’s iris scanner (CCC in Germany).

They stated outright that the iris scanner is easier to defeat than TouchID for two specific reasons. One is that it’s harder to lift a viable print than it is to take a picture of a persons eyes and two that transferring the print to material to simulate a finger is harder than placing a contact lens over a print of your eye.

I’m curious what you have to say about this. You know, since the group that hacked both systems say the iris is easier to accomplish.

Problem is..you really have to have a good focus of someone's eyes to take the appropriate picture of the iris. How often will someone even try to snap at your eyes without you knowing in this day and age? If you are at a distance, you better have a good flash and a perfect zoom system because this would be difficult in reality. I imagine getting the perfect shot is the first hurdle. Next, you better get you the correct contact lens that can be placed over the eye replica print out and that's if you even have the correct printer and infrared lighting system.

 

[deanthedev]

Problem is..you really have to have a good focus of someone's eyes to take the appropriate picture of the iris. How often will someone even try to snap at your eyes without you knowing in this day and age? If you are at a distance, you better have a good flash and a perfect zoom system because this would be difficult in reality. I imagine getting the perfect shot is the first hurdle. Next, you better get you the correct contact lens that can be placed over the eye replica print out and that's if you even have the correct printer and infrared lighting system.

CCC said iris is easier. I don’t really care for your made-up scenarios. I’ll take the word of the people who actually performed the hacks over yours.

 

[iSayuSay]

and those fandroids said apple copied facial(photo) recognition from android 4.0 ??

Last time I checked, iPhone (and Android phones) are phones, not religion. Over-defending it doesn't get you to heaven.

Maybe you'll use some Android devices too in the future. In which case, your name-calling would be hypocrite at best.

 

[jamesrick80]

CCC said iris is easier. I don’t really care for your made-up scenarios. I’ll take the word of the people who actually performed the hacks over yours.

Cool thats your personal take on it then. Thanks. They sure didn't give you a glimpse of reality.....​

 

[coolfactor]

I wonder where he gets his time stamps. I can say Samsung's Iris scanner gives it a infinite year lead over Apple especially since Apple will never use it. He really should not talk.

Did he call psychic reader Cleo???? RIP

Not really worth replying, but how's that enlightened path working out for you?

You know how they say there's no bad dog, just a bad dog owner? I think the same can apply to digital devices.

 

[aevan]

IMHO most won't even bother 'copying' FaceID. Samsung has a sure thing with its Iris scanning, most other Android manufacturers will likely go with developing TouchID that is embedded in the screen. FaceID is also very likely a stopgap for Apple until they figure out screen-embedded Touch ID as the others are.

No. Sveral interviews said that they stopped developing Touch ID below the screen a year ago, as they came to a conclusion that Face ID is superior.

This is the way forward in their opinion. And if it works as well as advertised - it does seem much better.

I don’t understand why people think Touch ID is better than your phone just recognizing you.

Also, the moment my hands get even a little bit sweaty, or my skin reacts to seasonal changes - Touch ID stops working.

The reason most Android manufacturers - if not all - will continue to develop fingerprint scanning - is because it’s their only option.

Also - Samsung Iris scanning is a joke.

 

[deanthedev]

Cool thats your personal take on it then. Thanks. They sure didn't give you a glimpse of reality.....​

Reality is the group that hacked both said Samsung iris is easier than TouchID. It’s not my “personal take” on it. I’m simply repeating what the actual people who performed both hacks said.

 

[aevan]

Works flawlessly for me.

This really depends on what you consider flawless.

 

[MacStu09]

Apple is setting the stage for the next decade of what people expect from smartphones.

Much like the original iPhone launch, it took android years to catch up and make truly competitive products.

Same with Touch ID.

No surprise it is happening again.

It's basically the cycle of technology...Apple took a huge lead with the original iPhone, and by the time the iPhone 5 launched, Android was already 3 years ahead of Apple. Apple's just barely catching up to most 2-3 year old Android features, so I would hope they finally take a step forward and make Android have to work for it again. Aside from gimmicks, the phone market on all sides has been almost stagnant since ~2013.

 

[jamesrick80]

Reality is the group that hacked both said Samsung iris is easier than TouchID. It’s not my “personal take” on it. I’m simply repeating what the actual people who performed both hacks said.

Come back when you found several other groups that also performed a hack.....

That one special group is all you are leaning on. Not good science for me.....

 

[flat five]

I don’t understand why people think Touch ID is better than your phone just recognizing you.

in fairness, they're likely the same people who identify others during a handshake instead of just looking at them to see who they are.
but for those of us who generally use facial recognition to identify others, faceID will seem a more natural way for the phone to recognize us.

 

[deanthedev]

Come back when you found several other groups that also performed a hack.....

That one special group is all you are leaning on. Not good science for me.....

Seemed good enough for you that you posted a link referencing them when they hacked TouchID.

Now that they did iris and said it’s easier suddenly they aren’t credible anymore?

Or do you only believe someone when it’s bad about Apple, but refuse to when it’s bad about Samsung? Hypocritical much?

 

[jamesrick80]

Seemed good enough for you that you posted a link referencing them when they hacked TouchID.

Now that they did iris and said it’s easier suddenly they aren’t credible anymore?

Or do you only believe someone when it’s bad about Apple, but refuse to when it’s bad about Samsung? Hypocritical much?

But I can give you several articles on different groups hacking Touch ID if you want them.

http://www.iphonehacks.com/2016/02/iphone-touch-id-hacked-with-play-doh.html

https://blog.lookout.com/iphone-6-touchid-hack


http://www.knowyourmobile.com/mobil...-year-old-hacked-apples-touch-id-simplest-way

I'm sure a 7 year old can't hack a Iris scanner but they surely did with Touch ID.

 

[iSayBoourns]

Come back when you found several other groups that also performed a hack.....

That one special group is all you are leaning on. Not good science for me.....

You’re the one who brought up the hacking group in the links you provided that you’re now refusing to acknowledge, because you’ve been made a fool lol.

 

[jamesrick80]

You’re the one who brought up the hacking group in the links you provided that you’re now refusing to acknowledge, because you’ve been made a fool lol.

You think???

 

[iSayBoourns]

You think???

Better ask Samsung for a raise. Seems you’re running out of material.

 

[jamesrick80]

Better ask Samsung for a raise. Seems you’re running out of material.

Actually you was never the one I was replying to so I just factored you out of the dialogue. No point in going further.......

I'm just playing the ropes with a newbie...getting him acquainted.

 

[EleMenTfiNi]

probably pretty useful.
i won't be surprised when we see a relative of it in computer driven cars.


(that aside, i can see it as being highly useful in a handheld device as well.. i hope it makes it to the rear cameras eventually)

Intel has Real Sense Cameras, and Windows Hello / Kinect is pretty much the same.. but it's just on a phone instead.
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Boo, I hate comments like these. They really don't recognize that even the little Emoji thing is something that was pretty much exclusive to movie producers at high costs with specialized equipment until recently, and the fact that it is embedded into a phone makes it even more incredible.

Animojis may be a simplistic way to show off said technology, but that doesn't limits it's use in other cases. Entertainment is a great way to make things like this approachable to the general user.

It really isn't exclusive to high cost movie producers though.. anyone with a Laptop can do it with Adobe Character Animator..

 

[flat five]

Intel has Real Sense Cameras, and Windows Hello / Kinect is pretty much the same.. but it's just on a phone instead.

not really sure if that ^ makes it not useful.
?

 

[aevan]

in fairness, they're likely the same people who identify others during a handshake instead of just looking at them to see who they are.
but for those of us who generally use facial recognition to identify others, faceID will seem a more natural way for the phone to recognize us.

Do people really do that? (Recognize others during handshakes instead of looking)? Obviously, I don’t mean people with sight problems. I can’t tell if you’re joking or is this a thing for some people (serious question).

And you’re right - to me it also seems like a more natural “don’t think about it” way. I think people don’t understand Face ID will seem more like your phone recognizing you and less like “scanning”.

 

[thering1975]

I find it odd that people are criticising and praising a feature which has yet to be mass tested in real world scenarios.

I also wonder how many on here who bash Samsung's iris scanner have used it. Because for me it's blazing fast on both my note 8 and s8+. Does have difficulty in direct sun light but works a dream otherwise. But your also forgetting that I actually have a choice which has been taken away from you guys. I can use iris and or fingerprint scanner. Not to mention. Smart lock so that I don't need any of these if I'm in a specific location or connected to specific WiFi or Bluetooth device.

I did like touchid on the iPhone as it worked very well let's just hope faceid is as smooth and quick.