KGI: TrueDepth Camera Gives Apple 2.5 Year Lead Over Android Competitors

[iSayBoourns]

Do people really do that? (Recognize others during handshakes instead of looking)? Obviously, I don’t mean people with sight problems. I can’t tell if you’re joking or is this a thing for some people (serious question).

And you’re right - to me it also seems like a more natural “don’t think about it” way. I think people don’t understand Face ID will seem more like your phone recognizing you and less like “scanning”.

FaceID will virtually be invisible and more behind he scenes kinda thing that the user will barely have to interact with. In most use cases I wouldn’t imagine that the majority of people often even with TouchID pre look at their device before unlocking with their finger.

 

[The Cappy]

He is apple's lap dog , barks on queue ....

also used for damage control.

You might want to look up that word, "queue".

 

[iSayBoourns]

I find it odd that people are criticising and praising a feature which has yet to be mass tested in real world scenarios.

I also wonder how many on here who bash Samsung's iris scanner have used it. Because for me it's blazing fast on both my note 8 and s8+. Does have difficulty in direct sun light but works a dream otherwise. But your also forgetting that I actually have a choice which has been taken away from you guys. I can use iris and or fingerprint scanner. Not to mention. Smart lock so that I don't need any of these if I'm in a specific location or connected to specific WiFi or Bluetooth device.

I did like touchid on the iPhone as it worked very well let's just hope faceid is as smooth and quick.

There is a lot of info on FaceID available. Between Apple’s official documentation, their recently released white paper report on it and the countless hands on videos. Which of you montaged all the unlocking together would easily be 100-200 total on video smooth unlocks (yes that is a very small number of videoed unlocks in the grand scheme of things, it is however lots of data to go off)

 

[flat five]

Do people really do that? (Recognize others during handshakes instead of looking)? Obviously, I don’t mean people with sight problems. I can’t tell if you’re joking or is this a thing for some people (serious question).

yeah.. a joke. (and a bad one at that) srry

it was meant to imply that some (fictitious) people can only identify others by feeling their fingerprints.

And you’re right - to me it also seems like a more natural “don’t think about it” way. I think people don’t understand Face ID will seem more like your phone recognizing you and less like “scanning”.

yeah, i think it will be like that too.. i imagine using a touchID based phone after using the X for a bit will make this difference more noticeable.

 

[one more]

S8 and the Note 8 are not the same thing. That's like comparing the iPhone 8 to the iPhone 8 Plus.

All I was saying was that people could get a device (S8) with the same set of comparable features (OLED screen, waterproof, a bonus headphone jack) for way less. The major practical difference between that and a Note is the screen size and a stylus.

 

[Cosmosent]

Kuo is pumping Apple for one of two reasons (ok, possibly both):

1.) He is a Paid Stooge of Apple, AND/OR

2.) He is doing so, so that the parts companies that his Tipsters work for, don't tank UN-necessarily.

He gets most of his tips from guys (& girls) who work for companies that provide parts and/or manufacturing services to Apple.

 

[one more]

What's for sure is you are far from sure.

"People didn't start using the term "smartphone" until 1995, but the first true smartphone actually made its debut three years earlier in 1992. It was called the Simon Personal Communicator, and it was created by IBM more than 15 years before Apple released the iPhone."

The world's first smartphone, Simon, was created 15 years before the iPhone

Popular smartphones before iPhone:
Four popular smartphones before iPhone

Ok, than you can also add a Nokia Navigator to it. Where are they all now? Ok, then Apple re-invented a smartphone and many any previous smartphone manufacturer copy its design.

 

[DCIFRTHS]

Usability of Iris scanner is inferior to Face ID.

Have you used Face ID? Never mind... already asked and answered.

 

[architect1337]

I've been using Windows Hello (Infraed IRIS scanner) for a couple of years now and it works great on a Surface, but a little slow on a Mobile (Microsoft Lumias). The fingerprint sensor on the Huawei phones is excellent and I suspect people will miss this feature on the X.

Camerawise, the Apple products are still way behind. The new Android phones with lenses from Leica (Huawei phones) or Karl Zeiss (Nokia) are pushing the envelope. Could we also see a resurgence of the compact travel camera with significantly better specs, true optical zoom, tiny size etc for a fraction of the price?

Or will there now be a market for something like the Samsung Galaxy Camera 2 (but with cellular capabilities, bigger screen, thinner and running with better specs)?

 

[freezelighter]

Apple should patent the "smartphone" and "computer" and become the one and only company without any competitors

 

[Piggie]

Do you think Apple will, or should, in the future allow multiple faces to unlock the phone?

Like you and your partner for example.

Do you think it's a limitation of the technology that it can't handle more than one face, or that it's a current deliberate decision as it's yet a untested, on real life large numbers of people, so they are going to see how well or bad it works in the REAL world, fix bugs, improve things, and THEN allow for perhaps 2 or 3 faces to be allowed to unlock the device.

Right now, you will be able to face unlock your phone, and your partner will have to key in your PIN Number every time, which I'm sure most sensible people will agree is not an ideal solution.

It's like saying we are selling you a house, but you are only getting one key.
In actual reality, you will have more than one key for any lock that your trusted people will have.

What do you think Apple will do?

 

[aevan]

Have you used Face ID? Never mind... already asked and answered.

No, but one can assume based on technologies involved. Infrared iris scanner vs dot projector. Also, based on the fact that photographs can fool Samsung, but Apple says photos and even masks can't fool Face ID. There is no reason to believe Apple is lying (it would seriously damage their reputation if they did) - so, it is almost certain Face ID is a lot better.

Also, Samsung is known to go for feature creep and not for quality.

 

[SmugMaverick]

First with multi-touch (just getting it as smooth as the iPhone took a decade)

Then retina
- Touch-ID
- Secure enclaves that doesn’t expose the private key
- 64 Bit
- Swift/APFS
- CPU design
- GPU design
- Camera and haptics(arguable)
- AR
- And now TrueDepth.

Apple is/was years ahead in all these categories. They have set a tremendous foundation.

Shame that's all pointless to the average consumer and they're late to what actually matters to people like

3G
4G
Larger screens
OLED screens
NFC
Wireless charging
Fast charging
Waterproof
Front facing camera
Control centre
Notification centre

They still have 750p on their flagship FFS in 2017 so let's not drop our pants just yet.

 

[bobob]

talking/moving emojis...this is the future?

I'm surprised to see how common this type of short-sighted comment is in the discussion of the iPhone X. Apple included the talking/moving emojis as a simple tech demo for the much deeper AR apps which will be enabled by this technology.

 

[44267547]

He is apple's lap dog , barks on queue ....

also used for damage control.

Considering the fact that he's the most world renowned insider for predictions with Apple, you're ignorant statement clearly shows you don't understand his position. And by the way, that's not what damage control even means in reference to how you're using it.

 

[Dave245]

I'm not surprised by this at all, people can shout as much as they like about Android devices having facial recognition system, Apple has a much more advanced version that (just like Touch ID) is likely to work well and probably make facial recognition systems popular (again like Touch ID). Face ID will end up on all iPhone's eventually, the whole Touch ID under the display is not relevant anymore, Apple even said that Face ID is what they are going with, people who are saying that Apple will put Touch ID under the display next year or even further down the line are just hanging on to something that isn't going to happen.

From those that have had hands on time with the iPhone X (at the Apple event) have said how fast, smooth and reliable it seemed to them.

2 minutes into this video Mark Gurman even sets up Face ID to his face and comments how fast it is https://www.facebook.com/GadgetsWithGurman/videos/vb.116146602364502/127472434565252/?type=2&theater

 

[Smartass]

Not surprising. Same with Touch ID, it still works better than other fingerprint sensors.

Be serious. Fingerprint sensors on Android flagships work flawlessly and really fast.

 

[MisterMillz]

I'm surprised to see how common this type of short-sighted comment is in the discussion of the iPhone X. Apple included the talking/moving emojis as a simple tech demo for the much deeper AR apps which will be enabled by this technology.

To each his or her own. If you’re going to critique my comment, at least include the whole thing-not just the piece that suits your little argument. The “this is the future” line referred to the ENTIRE sentence-not just the emoji part.

 

[TwoBytes]

This technology now that it's out will be reverse engineered and cloned in 5, 4, 3, 2...

 

[Grey Area]

It was the same group that hacked TouchID that did Samsung’s iris scanner (CCC in Germany).

They stated outright that the iris scanner is easier to defeat than TouchID for two specific reasons. One is that it’s harder to lift a viable print than it is to take a picture of a persons eyes and two that transferring the print to material to simulate a finger is harder than placing a contact lens over a print of your eye.

Hmm, I do not see them stating either of this outright, actually. They do say that iris scanners have an additional risk because we expose the iris more often, so yes, there is that. But the process of faking the iris was a bit more involved than the 1-minute-video may make it appear - they still had to manipulate the picture for a while until they got the contrast of the details just right.

At the same time getting a fingerprint is easier than one might think. No CSI-like dusting or whatever is needed. The very same CCC-guy who hacked the iris scanner has also shown how to fake fingerprints by photographing a person's hand from about 3 metres distance and then using some common household items. The CCC had this to say after breaking Touch ID: "'We hope that this finally puts to rest the illusions people have about fingerprint biometrics. It is plain stupid to use something that you can´t change and that you leave everywhere every day as a security token', said Frank Rieger, spokesperson of the CCC."

So basically, Touch ID is so bad it should never be used, and iris scanning is even a bit worse. Not exactly an approval of either. I still use Touch ID...

 

[Shanghaichica]

Apple is setting the stage for the next decade of what people expect from smartphones.

Much like the original iPhone launch, it took android years to catch up and make truly competitive products.

Same with Touch ID.

No surprise it is happening again.

I know right amoled screens and bezeless designs we’ve never seen those before.

 

[Jim Lahey]

FaceID/Truedepth camera isn't even remotely close to anything near as revolutionary as the original iPhone though.

That’s certainly arguable. Or at least a matter of opinion. There’s a lot of “MEH” about this technology among the entitled millennials, but stop and think;

A mobile device that scans your head with frickin laser beams and builds a mathematical, three dimensional model of your face, and adapts to changes in appearance. You don’t have to go back too many years in time to reach a point where this sort of thing was science fiction mumbo jumbo. But now it’s all “MEH”.

Lol

 

[MH01]

I find it odd that people are criticising and praising a feature which has yet to be mass tested in real world scenarios.

I also wonder how many on here who bash Samsung's iris scanner have used it. Because for me it's blazing fast on both my note 8 and s8+. Does have difficulty in direct sun light but works a dream otherwise. But your also forgetting that I actually have a choice which has been taken away from you guys. I can use iris and or fingerprint scanner. Not to mention. Smart lock so that I don't need any of these if I'm in a specific location or connected to specific WiFi or Bluetooth device.

I did like touchid on the iPhone as it worked very well let's just hope faceid is as smooth and quick.

Spot on. I found the S8 iris scanner to be very good and quick, I just did not like the experience of unlocking my phone by looking at it, and went back to my 6s as touchid is the best user experience , located at the front of the phone

 

[PrasadV]

true, if Apple was able to implement the sensor under the screen, FaceID doesn't exist. They'll scrap FaceID once they get it working.

In some interview Fed mentioned underscreen scanner is Plan-B. If Plan-A works then no need of Plan-B.

 

[Shanghaichica]

Apple is not working on embedded TouchID. The skipped it and created a new standard, FaceID. If they say FaceID is 100x more secure, then why would they waste the engineering?

It’s not a new standard if it’s based on something that already exists. They haven’t thought of anything new here.