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KGI: TrueDepth Camera Gives Apple 2.5 Year Lead Over Android Competitors
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Face ID has never been tested in the wild before yet people are already saying it’s sold impenetrable fortress.
It will be hacked in time just like Touch ID was. However like the iris scanner it will require a loft of high tech equipment to do it. Therefore meaning that the method will be secure enough to keep you safe from your everyday theif.
You guys (you and your "likes") still don't understand the value of an ecosystem the phone is part of and the user base it is targeted for. It is OK and a loss of energy trying to explain to the deaf. So just keep trolling here, it is funny to see your attempts based on technology details and features no one cares for.
At the moment I can't believe the "mask" statement.
Let's put the fact that this is impractical to one side for a moment.
Apple are saying, if you copy someones face, dimensionally and color wise it won't fool an iPhone?
They showed maskes on a wall.
But are they telling a half truth I'm wondering, as the mask has no eyes.
So if you wore the mask then it would fool it.
Or dependent on what the mask is made of?
Something really sounds wrong and a bit iffy about that claim,.
According to one analyst. Have you not thought as others have posted that other companies are choosing another path. They have other technologies like iris scanning and are investing getting Touch ID under the screen.
If the other android OEMS wanted to copy face ID then they could because all it takes is throwing money at it. Because let’s be real Apple didn’t develop any of this in house, they just purchased a smaller company who already had the technology. Just as they did with Touch ID and Siri.
Those companies had technology that then evolved into what we see in iPhones. For example Authentec who developed fingerprint sensors, their tech they they had when Apple bought them was primitive compared to what TouchID developed into, not just the sensor itself but the other half of the equation that is the secure enclave.
Here's 'TouchID' before TouchID
Sure - because that's the only possible explanation. He's obviously an idiot who doesn't know what he is talking about, because other phones had facial recognition ages ago.
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Presumably an iris scanner needs to be in a more direct proximity to do that, and the face sensor in the iPhone? Making it - marginally at least - more of an effort. (And yes, I know - first world problems and all that,)
Until we get to test faceID and it's various uses and possible future use in apps then we can't know it's true impact. I suspect there is a bit of hyperbole and exaggeration going on a the moment. Realistically all we can speculate is that it's not easily fooled compared to windows hello and android implementations. That tracking and depth mapping is good as seen in demos and that it'll have applications outside of unlock and animojis but that it might only be equivalently useful as touchID in most use cases.
I personally think 90% of people will never use it for anything but unlocking and paying with Apple Pay. Will never use any facetracking features and android will mimic the behaviour with 2D cameras and probably never develop it due to costs. Having a fingerprint sensor will become a sign of an older phone over time and will eventually force android phone makers to adopt a similar tech in the future but there will be no immediate demand for it. I also suspect android makers will push to eliminate all front sensors in favour of full front screens to compete, with the addition of a selfie screen on the rear. It might be impossible to remove the front camera in the end but I suspect over time tech will develop to have some form of pixels overlaid on a camera lens to mitigate this.
I personally think 90% of people will never use it for anything but unlocking and paying with Apple Pay. Will never use any facetracking features and android will mimic the behaviour with 2D cameras and probably never develop it due to costs. Having a fingerprint sensor will become a sign of an older phone over time and will eventually force android phone makers to adopt a similar tech in the future but there will be no immediate demand for it. I also suspect android makers will push to eliminate all front sensors in favour of full front screens to compete, with the addition of a selfie screen on the rear. It might be impossible to remove the front camera in the end but I suspect over time tech will develop to have some form of pixels overlaid on a camera lens to mitigate this.
TrueDepth is still unproven technology and it's true utility is also unproven. In addition, the notch is, I predict, going to be a massive fail. And Apple is uncertain enough about the X that it is hedging by introducing 2 phones at once. While that is not unusual for the industry, it is for Apple.
It will take Apple's Android competitors up to two and a half years to replicate the functionality and user experience of the TrueDepth Camera in the iPhone X, KGI Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo told investors in a note shared this morning.
In a previous report, Kuo predicted it would take one to two years for competitors to catch up, but having watched Apple's official technical demonstrations in detail, it's now believed it will take longer to replicate the user experience.
The TrueDepth camera will give Apple a solid technological lead throughout 2018 and 2019, leading Kuo to say KGI has "full confidence" in the iPhone's growth prospects in the high-end smartphone market over the next couple of years despite iPhone X constraints in 2017.
KGI Securities has revised its 2017 iPhone X shipping estimates from 40 million to 30 to 35 million units, but Kuo says the firm stands by its "positive outlook" on shipments of future iPhones equipped with the TrueDepth Camera.
Apple's TrueDepth camera system enables its Face ID facial recognition system and other features like advanced face tracking and analysis for Animoji. Rumors suggest the difficulty of manufacturing the TrueDepth camera is what has led to significant iPhone X production issues, severely limiting initial available supply.
Apple's competitors like Samsung and Google will also need to overcome these development and manufacturing hurdles to create a product that's similar to the TrueDepth Camera. Samsung has already released a device with facial recognition capabilities, but it is inferior to Apple's solution as it is limited to 2D tracking making it less secure and easy to fool.
Ming-Chi Kuo previously said that should Apple's TrueDepth camera prove to be popular with consumers, all of the company's future iPhones are likely to adopt the feature.
Article Link: KGI: TrueDepth Camera Gives Apple 2.5 Year Lead Over Android Competitors
Actually you don't. The phone decides when to unlock, already having scanned our face and determined to allow you to swipe.
Fact is, another person can swipe at this point, there is no security in place at the point of swiping.
The same people nagging FaceID (and longing for their truly-oh-so-loved TouchID) are the ones that were nagging TouchID back in 2013.
If the X had touch ID in addition to face ID I'm sure many wouldn't mind. The problem is I don't want to have to look at my phone everytime I want to unlock it and it will not work 100% of the time. It's not infallible. On those occasions when it doesnt work I'd like other methods such as touch ID. I don't want to have to put in my code. The fact of the matter Apple could have included other methods of unlocking like other manufacturers have done but they chose not to taking away my choices.
For the record I was happy about touch ID when it launched.
I thought that was the guy from Daring Fireball (John Gruber I think it is).
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Not too relevant to the thread, but just in case, there are some apps that will give you that feature, like Camera+.
I realized there isn't anything I can do with an iPhone without looking at it. So I don't see the big deal. Perhaps if I were a blind user who never has a reason to face the phone it would be more of an issue.
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Do you agree by now that Apple develops their SoC technology in house? Because it's an integral part of how and why their FaceID implementation works. And at what point in history does a purchased company's technology become a true part of the larger company's? If you're a real stickler for that for some reason, you'd apply it even more stringently to Android OEMs who year after year are still using the majority of their OS development by another company, aren't using their own SoC designs, etc.
Don't worry, the bad copies of the technology will be here by February 2018.
Samsung will have it all (and according to them better) in the Galaxy S9 buy spring 2018.
Kuo knows that to say a 2-year lead is just asking for trouble but hey, it gets him clicks and that is what pays his salary (probably more than Tim Cook given the amount of Bull excrement he comes out with in a year).
You think multitouch is pointless to the consumer? It's the standard input method on which every smartphone runs today.
This sounds like a baseless assertion.
The fingerprint reader was clearly a better solution to pin/pattern unlocking. Faster and more convenient. Very few people nagged about it.
FaceID is clearly a worse solution than the fingerprint reader. It's slower and more involved.
Given the X is a full month after the 8, I don't think this is statement is true. I really think they are having a hard time manufacturing the X so they raised the price and delayed it with the hope to cut demand. Like the 7+, I think the X demand is going to have big surprise on the upside.
This is because TouchID (i.e. Apple's fingerprint reader) is fairly poor. It doesn't follow that all fingerprint readers are equally poor.
I have the 10.5" iPad Pro and the 15" Macbook Pro, both with TouchID, and I have similar problems - wet or overly dry skin, sensors don't work.
However my Huawei P9 is in a different class altogether compared to TouchID. The sensor is much faster and works pretty much flawlessly, in all conditions.
It's not that Android manufacturers don't use something as elaborate and slow as FaceID because they don't have the technology for it. They have better fingerprint readers.
And they'll have under-glass fingerprint readers, my guess next year, so that's going to be the future. And Apple painted itself into a corner with its crappy face recognition.
Which you can confidently state because you’ve had ample time to test and compare it.