Did he say that? The only think I remember is him conceding that there were situations where TouchID would be better. Maybe i just missed this TouchID plan B thing.
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Kuo: If Face ID is 'Well Received,' It's Likely 2018 iPhones Will Fully Adopt TrueDepth Camera
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I think they'd fairly happily kill 3D touch if it means getting TouchID under the screen (assuming they want it). They already reduced the usage of 3D Touch quite a bit in the OS and barely even talk about it anymore. Feels like an experiment that didn't really stick so no big loss in killing it.
That happens often to me actually. Cooking, Cleaning, exercising and gloves through the long cold period in Sweden and it's passcode for me (some times even inputting the passcode with my nose).
If FaceID works more reliably I'm a happy camper.
I'm pretty sure, unless FaceID proves to be a failure, but it is unlikely.
They made clear in the keynote that FaceID is far superior than TouchID, so why should they bring it back under the display? I'd have been cool if they managed to do it this year, but since they launched FaceID they're going to invest in it and try to improve the technology.
for driving scenarios - if you drive a lot and need to constantly unlock for eg spotify, you could turn off the setting that requires you to actively look at the screen. So it would only need to see your face. That way you could just tilt your head towards the phone while still looking at the road ahead and it would unlock
No you said Steve would have moved heaven and Earth to make TouchID under display happen. You played the Steve card hard, and implied a Tim fail.
I also disagree that it would have been more of a wow factor than FaceID. People already take for granted that if they put their thumb on the front of their iPhone it unlocks; does changing where that thumb can be really seem like that big a jump?
They did go to great lengths to show how amazing and how much better it was. Then they demo’d it and it failed. :/ Doesn’t matter what the excuse was, did Touch ID ever fail on stage because other people had been playing with the phone?
You can bet Craig’s back up phone didn’t have it turned on too! Too risky.
Same thing happened with Betamax vs VHS. VHS won even though Betamax was a better system.
When you initialy turn the phone on you require a PIN to be entered.
It is the same with Windows Hello.
Is it slower? And the FaceID R&D costs are now sunk—time to crank up the volume and amortize them.
Also, the depth imaging hardware allows for more capabilities than just FaceID.
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Gloves yes, out of the shower..... I wipe my hands and can unlock my phone with my finger. I must just be lucky.
I understand that. This was the first demo of the new flagship product of one of the world's biggest companies to millions of people, the most important moment they will have this year. If they can't prepare for that properly why does everyone have such faith that everything they do is infallible? They failed on antennas before, even with internal testing. TouchID is very good, it didn't need fixing, it just needed implementing in the screen, we've been given a solution to a problem that wasn't there with the iPhone X.
TouchID is gone due to poor yield and performance? That’s a rumor, whereas the fact is FaceID has superseded TouchID.
And no one at Apple has said anything about bringing TouchID back alongside FaceID. Just another rumor, or did I miss something?
My call, it's going to go the way of 3rd generation shuffle, Touch ID will be back under the screen
And that decision will be made by sales, only thing cook and apple react to now. Good user experience design is an after thought
Reserve your judgment for the time when you actually use it.
What is it with people in this forum? (this is not aimed to you) So keen to always criticize new technologies before they are used. It was only few years ago when we were reading all sort of crazy comments about touch ID before it was actually out in the wild.
Gloves I can understand but wet hands wouldn't be an issue assuming that Apple uses ultra sound based fingerprint mapping.
Something like.. this
Note, Sense ID was developed as early as 2015, so let's see what Apple can do..
Indeed and going back to Touch ID proves them wrong about its superiority. Next year’s iPhone rumors will be all about Touch ID
Having both makes little sense to me. The whole draw of face ID is that it is supposedly way more secure than Touch ID. Why would Apple knowingly include a less secure form of unlocking your phone, that people might end up using over the more secure option?
You can still go retro you know, and type in your password. You don’t have to use the Face ID, just turn it off.Exactly. I watched some more videos (just to stoke the internal fires a bit), and marveling how elegant the new unlock system is. I’ve always wanted to be able to simply interact quickly (in the case swipe up) to open the device while knowing I’M the only person it would allow it to because it knows my face. Now i can with iPhone X.
Typing ina passcode/spending 2 secs to read your fingerprint for identification is so 1980s.
Well consider that the most secure is a ten digit or more alpha numeric passcode. Yet Apple allows you to use as little as six or face ID which is less secure. So Apple knowingly lets you choose a less secure option.
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That’s why for all those with evil twin you don’t trust, Apple allows you to turn off Face ID and use a multi character password. Completely preventing your evil twin from accessing your iPhone. Will wonders never cease.
That’s because most people are not going to be using 10-digit complex passwords to secure their devices. It’s cumbersome and time-consuming to type in and given the choice between a long passcode and no passcode, most people will choose the latter.
Touch ID helped bridge the eternal divide between convenience and security. For people who aren’t using a passcode with their phone, at least they are now locking their phone.
And with face ID, you now have a new option which is every bit as easy and convenient to use, and way more secure to boot. There is no opportunity cost in replacing Touch ID with Face ID, unlike your given example of longer passcode vs shorter passcode (more time spent).
Way different analogies.
people wearing face masks in China (huge market), Japan (big market). Wearing niqabs etc in Muslim countries.
Thats potentially a large number of target consumers that won't be able to use FaceID. Far more than the number of people that walk around with wet fingers, which is basically just Aquaman, and I think he has a Galaxy S8 anyway
So the solution is to completely give up the convenience of Face ID? My point is that you don’t have to give it up with Touch ID, why should you with Face ID? This makes it a non-starter for twins, so they should stop buying iPhones if it becomes standard on all iPhones? That makes no sense.
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It makes more sense to disable Touch ID (by default) if you don’t need it (i.e. no evil twin) than to regress completely in biometric identification.
In other words, both will exist with Touch ID disabled by default, making it more secure by default via Face ID for most scenarios, but making it possible to choose an alternate Touch ID.
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