The Galaxy Note 8 looks very promising. I like the s-pen. But I am not sure if this is worth the hassle to switch from iOS and the iPhone 7. On the other hand the difference between the iPhone 7 and iPhone 8 seams not large enough to upgrade. Face ID on the iPhone X seams to be not mature enough for day to day use. May be the best to do is just wait and see.
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Kuo: If Face ID is 'Well Received,' It's Likely 2018 iPhones Will Fully Adopt TrueDepth Camera
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Seeing as nobody here has even used Face ID at length, the opinions about how well it works and whether it's better or worse than Touch ID are premature. As with all first-gen tech that Apple introduces, I'm taking a wait and see approach.
Personally, I'm not sold on Face ID (various aspects) but I'm in no position to say that Touch ID is better. Touch ID certainly doesn't work perfectly all the time as some here would have you believe.
Personally, I'm not sold on Face ID (various aspects) but I'm in no position to say that Touch ID is better. Touch ID certainly doesn't work perfectly all the time as some here would have you believe.
I thought Steve Jobs once said that "people don't know what they want until you show it to them?" This is like leading from behind.
You have to look at a phone more in the FaceID scenario smh
If you keep your eyes on the phone through the entire FaceID process then trying to do something that is much more time than glancing at a screen that is already unlocked AND open to the app.
I’m against ppl using phones while driving but that’s a whole other discussion. It’s not illegal to use your phone while driving in many instances in many states.
You reach sideways using peripheral vision, and feel the home button and the phone unlocks, perhaps glancing for a second.
Now you had to carefully look towards the phone till you see it unlock, then swipe up.
When driving, using car controls, that's a lot safer not to have to deliberately look at any control,
Can you imagine the accidents if all the items in your car, on the centre console, needed you to look at them and swipe to unlock them each time?
Radio, heating, air con etc etc
not really.. it was the exact discussion going on.. go back in the thread and you'll see..
hmm. ok.
like i said though, if you're going to be driving through NYC, you should probably do as i suggested up there.. (well, maybe not use it while at a red light.. you'll still be fined for that one)
using a phone while driving in nyc is the second most serious driving offense.. second only to speeding at 21mph+ over the speed limit.. it's an equal offense to reckless driving or passing an active school bus..
and they bust you too.. it's not one of those laws that's just sort of out there but nothing actually happens.
too many people were getting injured or killed because of this.
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I favor FaceID because of its endless potential (recognizing mood, anger, distress, panic) but it clearly is in some beta state as of yet.
Make it optional to start FaceID with a screentouch (to avoid wild scanning of everyone around) or Siri call
Craig will be supporting that idea...
Make it optional to start FaceID with a screentouch (to avoid wild scanning of everyone around) or Siri call
Craig will be supporting that idea...
You really should have read the rest of the comment because context was given to the list making your comment irrelevant to the point that was actually being made.
great.
thank you.
then you would know they (usually) enter your destination etc , or otherwise already have the info, prior to leaving curbside.
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I really don't see why this is still being discussed. The laws are quite specific, using a hand held device while driving is an offense. The key word is hand held.
If you're a professional driver or someone who relies on GPS and a screen, you'll have your iPhone mounted so you don't have to hold it.
If it's mounted where is it facing? Yes that's right it's pointed at your face all the time. Tap the screen to wake, let Face ID do its work then swipe up and do what you need. You should never hold the device while driving.
why do so many of you continually explain how touchID works around here?
do you think others don't use it? is it possible the people you're explaining how touchID works to have possibly used it longer and more often than you have? or are you suggesting that you're better at touchID_ing than others since they seemingly don't understand how it works or how it's different than faceID?
there's no need to keep filling up these arguments with explanations of what you need to do to use touchID.
i'm going to go out on a limb here and say -- everybody that's posting here generally knows how it's done..
Then, in that case, Im sure you will fully understand the multiple case scenarios for which Touch ID is more convenient than Face ID, which was the point of that previous poster.
Logical proof is that Apple has been designing the NPU of the A11 for three years, and they wouldn’t need a neural processor capable of 600 billion ops/sec if they weren’t implementing FaceID in this year’s iPhone.
The technology behind FaceID is exceedingly complex, and not something jammed in during the last few months to replace a non-working TouchID under glass.
Apple knows FaceID is better than TouchID for more of their users than would TouchID be better than FaceID. Months of user testing convinced them this was the case.
Not all rumors are true, though some can be effective at misleading competitors down a useless dead end. Will anyone be able to get Qualcomm’s sensor to work? Is it manufacturable at scale? Why couldn’t Samsung get it to work, leaving them no choice but the universally panned fingerprint sensor on the back? (And how many think the backside of Samsung’s latest models are in any way pleasing to look at?)
I expect to see TouchID on the 8S (9?) next year for reasons I’ve mentioned previously, as well as FaceID on iPad, iMac and MacBook, in due course. I disagree with Kuo that TouchID under display is in Apple’s future; why bother, it’s been superseded by better technology. Other manufacturers will be scrambling to try to get 3D infrared depth imaging working for any purpose, let alone for biometric authentication.
Kuo's just hedging with this “public acceptance” nonsense—that’s just analyst-speak for I’ll be right either way. (Similar to the classic weather forecast: if a 50% chance of rain is predicted, is the forecast right or wrong, if it rains? If it doesn’t?)
tldr; rumors aren’t facts, FaceID is awesome, and stick to supply chain rumors Kuo.
yes, there are multiple use cases where touchID is likely more convenient than faceID.
but one shouldn't confuse 'multiple' as meaning 'often' or 'a lot of scenarios'
the amount of times a typical user will actually use one of these cases, is rare compared to the amount of times when both technologies overlap.
like- say you unlock your phone 200 times in a day..
190 times, either faceID or touchID could be used more-or-less equally..
5 times, touchID would of been better
5 times, faceID would of been better.
and we're sitting around arguing about these 10 cases.
What’s the point in replying to say that? No, it’s gone on the iPhone X. The reason it is gone is due to poor yield and performance, it wasn’t a choice on day 2 to say ‘Face ID is better, there should be no Touch ID’... you should know that.
Bringing it back (alongside Face ID) is still being considered by Apple, hence my original post.
If Face ID is 'Well Received,' It's Likely 2018 iPhones Will Fully Adopt TrueDepth Camera
no, that's bull****. product development cycles are not as short as it is suggested. to collect convincing amount of responses on faceid acceptance, you will need months. and obviously design changes of this magnitude are not going to happen in the last 3 months.
if the new gen of iphones in 2018 will have the "stare-to-unlock" feature, the decision has already been met for some time ago.
no, that's bull****. product development cycles are not as short as it is suggested. to collect convincing amount of responses on faceid acceptance, you will need months. and obviously design changes of this magnitude are not going to happen in the last 3 months.
if the new gen of iphones in 2018 will have the "stare-to-unlock" feature, the decision has already been met for some time ago.
But they have messed with one of the iPhone models. They removed TouchID - a core piece of technology that is in all their other phones (and now Macbook Pros).
Also, in 2009 when the 3rd Gen iPod Shuffle came out, iPod sales were generating almost 3 times as much revenue for Apple than the iPhone - and they messed with one of the models, removing a familiar method of interaction that was included in all of their other devices at the time.
I don't have a particular opinion about FaceID since I won't be buying the iPhoneX. But the point of my original comment was to highlight the fact that Apple DOES release products that the public don't like or that aren't ready, AND they have previously removed user controls from one model of their key product, only to back-track and put it back in the next version.
It doesn't mean they will do it with FaceID, but they have done it in the past.
I for one wont buy an iPhone with FaceID, even if it means never buying another iPhone. Security and all the other touted benefits are no match for knowing that I control the phone through my physical contact. I choose to open the phone by placing my finger on it. This is the difference between passive use and active use. I want to be an active user.
The recent rumours suggested Apple haven't even been looking at fingerprints under display for about a year, after deciding to go all-in on FaceID. Whether that means just for the X and R&D still continues, I don't know.
I think this will depend on a few factors:
1) General public response. After an initial phase of getting used to it, how will people respond to not having TouchID anymore? Clearly Apple think they have most use cases covered, but millions of people is a much better sample size.
2) cost. I would expect the tech in X is expensive. They'd need to cost engineer that to make it viable in the more mainstream products without impacting price (I don't see how they can go much higher than $700 for the base iphone). Running X for a year will help with that.
3) Non-US markets. Thinking specifically Muslim countries with a high usage of niqabs and other face covering garments; China and Japan where people wear face masks a lot when out and about. These are some big and influential markets and could see at least TouchID making a return as a belt-and-braces approach to biometrics, even if Apple continue to push FaceID as the preferred option
I think this will depend on a few factors:
1) General public response. After an initial phase of getting used to it, how will people respond to not having TouchID anymore? Clearly Apple think they have most use cases covered, but millions of people is a much better sample size.
2) cost. I would expect the tech in X is expensive. They'd need to cost engineer that to make it viable in the more mainstream products without impacting price (I don't see how they can go much higher than $700 for the base iphone). Running X for a year will help with that.
3) Non-US markets. Thinking specifically Muslim countries with a high usage of niqabs and other face covering garments; China and Japan where people wear face masks a lot when out and about. These are some big and influential markets and could see at least TouchID making a return as a belt-and-braces approach to biometrics, even if Apple continue to push FaceID as the preferred option
yeah.. the home button ,at least in its current implementation, has its days numbered..
do this—
with nothing in your hand, move your thumb around and try to touch all possible areas on the gripping side (palm side) of your hand..
the home button / touchID is located at the hardest part.. basically, like pinching with your thumb against the middle of your pinky. it could be anywhere else and be an improvement.
while you’re at it, look at the inside of your pinky (the part that’s alongside your 3rd finger)..
see the dent that wasn’t there a few years ago?
weird, huh?