Kuo: Vision Pro Likely to Launch in Late January or Early February

[CarAnalogy]

I think the right moment for this (if it’ll happen) will be the marketing push when they reveal the release date.



First of all in your OP you said „no-one“ was able to share an opinion, so now you back-tracked to “developers“. Well, duh - of course developers with intimate knowledge of an as yet unreleased product/platform are under NDA. And what makes you think all those opinios on youtube are not honest? Especially as those opinios are quite varied. Of course youtube is clickbait central, but that goes both ways - exaggerated praise as well as exaggerated bashing will get you clicks.



Great product and probably sold well in-line with Apple‘s expectations.



Which one?



Ages ago.

I didn’t backtrack. In fact I italicized my original exact words. Journalists don’t count. Honestly I shouldn’t have commented at all but for some reason I mixed MKBHD up with someone who could have an opinion off-script from Apple’s narrative. I have heard from developers who went to the hands on and literally said all they could say about it is that it happened. Nobody expects details but they literally were not even allowed to say if they had a good time or not.

 

[CarAnalogy]

I mean, a significant proportion of the population already sees stereoscopic video as a gimmick, and the iPhone is mediocre as a 3D camera.

What devices and apps have you used? I find that issues with motion sickness are mostly around the design of the software, rather than the limitations of the hardware. 3DOF hardware, such as the Oculus Go, Gear VR, or AR glasses, can be bad for motion sickness, though.

Chip progress will slow down as we are approaching fundamental physical limits.

The media isn't restricted, but developers that get demos are.

The screens in the Vision Pro are less than 4K in width, and when you watch video on it, you don't want it to fill the full width of the displays.
The screens have much better contrast than any projector, but there will inevitably be at least some glare from the optics, so the contrast/clarity won't be as good as watching an OLED TV in a dark room.

That was exactly my point. Seems odd hand picked journalists can say whatever they want but developers cannot say anything at all, literally. I know I keep using that word but I believe it’s apt because they can’t say anything about it except that it happened.

What could really be that bad that hand picked friends of Apple can say “anything” but people who actually go to the effort to go to a developer session can say “nothing.”

Just seems like strange extremes that don’t make for an overall impression of straightforward honesty.

I say this as someone who is cautiously optimistic about the headset.

 

[chucker23n1]

seems like there’s been plenty of time now for them to say, “oh, by the way, AVP actually uses an M3 now”.

To what end? They haven’t done any further consumer-focused marketing for it yet, and as for developers, the SoC doesn’t matter that much. “Your app will actually run faster than in development models” is nice to know, but isn’t a key concern I’ve seen visionOS developers have.

Apple is secretive with this kind of stuff, and it would be very much like them to make it a last-minute surprise.

 

[goobot]

The first iPhone didn't sell all that well by the way. It'll take a 2nd or 3rd gen, a cheaper model, and a bit of social proofing because we kind of have no idea about the experience this device can give us.

I wonder if it's really going to be an M2 chip inside ? Or M3 ?

Considering the first iPad and Apple Watch had gimped processors I very much believe they will put a m2 in it

 

[ke-iron]

This seems hard to believe. I feel like that’s a very short amount of time to have consumers clear on what this product is and why they need it.

It’s pretty clear what this device is and can do. This is the ultimate couch potato super computing do it all device!

 

[MNGR]

I can’t think of an actual use case for it to help justify the cost. Right now if I buy one it’ll be on faith that this technology will be a game changer down the line. The iPod was a no-brainer as was the iPhone. I took a little convincing to hop on the iPad train and so I passed on the OG iPad but got the iPad 2 and right up until the iPhone X it definitely had its own easy to see use case. Since the larger screen / smaller bezel in the iPhone X and above I could go without one now and not miss much but I simply don’t see the use case outside of the wow factor for the Vision Pro. Not from a personal perspective and not in my line of work.

Now if it really does change the underlying dynamic of computing as we know it and spatial computing becomes something more than a buzzword for a VR headset with a larger App Library to draw from than the Meta Quest line of VR headsets then perhaps it’ll be worth the money, if not now then down the line when I can get one for $1,500 or $1,000 but I just can’t see dropping $3,000+ for another VR headset when I barely use the Meta Quest 2 as is.

3D video and games? The Meta Quest can do that. 3D apps? I don’t see how most apps would benefit from it outside of apps that simulate, train and/or allow for collaboration of 3D components. Apps involving assembling / disassembling / repairing / operating real world machinery or equipment, simulating physical environments in 3D space, designing things in 3D, etc. I can see great things for very specific kinds of apps but how is viewing code in 3D going to help make me a better developer of standard line of business apps or help me improve my IT skills. I don’t physically repair equipment so 3D manuals that could be easily referenced for repairing equipment and replacing components wouldn’t have much of a positive effect on my line of work.

My wife’s a nurse. I can see all kinds of use cases for her professionally from working with doctors to help them consult with patients they can’t be there to physically evaluate to practicing procedures and learning to use new medical devices. Healthcare, construction, product design, manufacturing p, etc. all have every exciting use cases but for somebody like me I just don’t see it other than maybe speeding up UI design or looking at 3D layouts of buildings and the location of networking equipment, WiFi heatmaps, etc.

I have 2 3-D tv's. Some films are really great (like Avatar) , some not so.
Time will tell

 

[MNGR]

Surely you are not serious. Look how big computers were at one time. And now we have more power than those ever dreamed of in a device the size of a deck of cards. You are delusional if you think otherwise.

Yup. When I started with computers in the early 60's, they did fill large rooms. And they were not nearly as capable as smartphones were a decade ago.
We will see

 

[andycarver]

Everyone needs to watch this

Takeaways
Great build quality
Great screens
Intuitive ui
Spatial video works well when close to the subject
Spatial is a gimmick

I stand by my earlier position. This will not sell well.

He doesn’t even wear it during the video.

 

[Born Again]

Apple will obviously sell as many as they can make. It will be supply constrained, not demand constrained.

So cool that we have tim apple here!!!

He doesn’t even wear it during the video.

omg dude - you cannot be serious?

 

[bmunge]

I’ll be getting one as soon as I can. As an iOS developer I want to explore the platform and see how it impacts my industry, but mainly I want to use it for work. Floating screens while working on the surface of the moon or mount Rainier sounds wonderful.

 

[AeroEd]

What World do you guys live in where technology does not progress rapidly? It will not be that big for that long, it will be the size of a pair of sunglasses before you know it! Ai is emerging too, we almost have science fiction like AI now and it is accelerating in an incredibly rapid pace, and that will be a big part of the Apple Vision Pro!

So first, I believe there is going to be a major commercial for this during the Super Bowl- celebrating the 40th Anniversary of the famous 1984 original Macintosh ad: "Forty years ago, we reinvented computing. Today, we do it again. Introducing VisionPro."

Next, customers have been asking about this product since it was announced. The rumor mill says there will 500,000 units available - they will sell out within a week or two. Seriously, people... you don't think there aren't half a million Apple fanboys/fangirls out there who can't wait to snap this up, regardless of price? And that's not a judgement on do we need this, it's just that Apple products sell.

So many said the Watch would fail, the iPad would fail, the iPhone would fail, and so on. Every single time, Apple has proved them wrong. No, VisionPro won't sell like iPhones do, and it isn't designed to do that anyway, but it will not be a failure.

With retail employees headed to Cupertino for training, the Super Bowl the first Sunday, in February....an early February launch seems perfectly reasonable.

If we compare iPhones success to iwatch and iPad, both were a failure. iPads are currently on a steep decline and the iwatch has been pulled.

 

[Surf Monkey]

While I don’t necessarily know if this is true or not, important to remember that the first demonstrations of multi-touch were given to Steve Jobs and the rest of Apple on an absolutely massive tech-packed table and its own room with a massive projector on the ceiling showing it’s contents.
And this was the early 2000s.
just within that decade, they were able to shrink all that down into a phone, and later a watch sized iPod nano.

So I’d suggest saying something will “never” happen, especially when it comes to getting technology smaller and more power efficient, is stupid.

No one knows what the 2030s and the 2040s and even the second half of the 2020s will bring.

Glasses aren’t big enough. The size requirement for the battery alone makes it impossible.

 

[kiensoy]

I've owned the iPhone, iPad and Apple Watch from day 1 and never thought once that they wold flop but this product will be DOA especially at the price they want for it, far too expensive, bulky and you have to be tethered to a battery pack which has sod all battery life 😂

And when it eventually gets cheaper, smaller, with integrated battery and it finally sells all fanboys will be like “see? you were all wrong doubting this product!”

 

[newyorksole]

Apple will obviously sell as many as they can make. It will be supply constrained, not demand constrained.

and they’re still going to heavily market it (when they feel the time is right).

both statements can be true. we also don’t know for sure how much they’re making. it’s quite possible that they won’t sell every single one they make right away.

 

[sakurarain]

I will order it on Apple.com, but hopefully Apple can give a quick personal-set-up in store when I pick it up in person, at least I have to make sure that my device fits my head.

 

[coolfactor]

Everyone predicting that the Vision Pro will be a commercial failure is in for a BIG surprise! This is the start of a whole new era of human-computer interaction. Apple took the time to get it right. Sure, the introductory price is high, but that's because the tech built in blows away all competing products, and that's gonna turn heads no matter how many initial sales they get.

 

[coolfactor]

I will order it on Apple.com, but hopefully Apple can give a quick personal-set-up in store when I pick it up in person, at least I have to make sure that my device fits my head.

I believe in-person pickup is mandatory to ensure there's a good fit? In-person purchasing might also be mandatory. First-come, first served.

 

[akidokraja]

I've owned the iPhone, iPad and Apple Watch from day 1 and never thought once that they wold flop but this product will be DOA especially at the price they want for it, far too expensive, bulky and you have to be tethered to a battery pack which has sod all battery life 😂

Yeah. This thing is completely ridiculous. Ski goggles bother me after few minutes and they are like 10x lighter and it’s cold when I wear them. Can’t imagine wearing this until it progresses to sunglasses weight and bulk which will be in a couple of decades.

 

[akidokraja]

Pure fantasy. This system will never be the size of glasses. Never.

Yup. They can’t reduce the weight of smartphones in the last 20 years but they will magically reduce this in a year or two.

 

[coolfactor]

Gotta say, I don’t see the allure of wearing this apparatus on my melon for any length of time.
I genuinely don’t know how to handicap if this will be a success or a “meh”.

This is a typical response of the doubters. They only see the big, bulky device and fail to see how it's just a starting point into a whole new generation of 3-dimensional computing. The tech will only get leaner and meaner. Need to start somewhere.

We wouldn't have our super-powerful laptops today if computers didn't start out as room-sized contraptions back in the 40's, 50's and 60's.

 

[SoldOnApple]

I wish I could afford.

 

[Cape Dave]

He doesn’t even wear it during the video.

I concur. Newton all over again.

 

[citysnaps]

Everyone predicting that the Vision Pro will be a commercial failure is in for a BIG surprise! This is the start of a whole new era of human-computer interaction. Apple took the time to get it right. Sure, the introductory price is high, but that's because the tech built in blows away all competing products, and that's gonna turn heads no matter how many initial sales they get.

A very refreshing forward-looking post. A rarity.

 

[citysnaps]

This is a typical response of the doubters. They only see the big, bulky device and fail to see how it's just a starting point into a whole new generation of 3-dimensional computing. The tech will only get leaner and meaner. Need to start somewhere.

We wouldn't have our super-powerful laptops today if computers didn't start out as room-sized contraptions back in the 40's, 50's and 60's.

Spot-on assessment. Nice to see a healthy imagination at work.

 

[Cape Dave]

Everyone predicting that the Vision Pro will be a commercial failure is in for a BIG surprise! This is the start of a whole new era of human-computer interaction. Apple took the time to get it right. Sure, the introductory price is high, but that's because the tech built in blows away all competing products, and that's gonna turn heads no matter how many initial sales they get.

And we were supposed to have flying cars 20 years ago. No one but diehard apple fanboys will want this. We'll see who's right.