Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Off topic, but does anyone else think the new iOS 11 dock for iPad (only the look, not function) will make its way into the new iPhone? Just makes sense due to the edge to edge display.

Yes, there are rumours of a "function area" on the iPhone 8.
 
While it is normal to be sceptical of delays, based on past performance, it probably will be true this year. Apple really has nothing to gain by delaying the phones. They are integrating some very new technology.

This is my position too.

My gut feel is that quite a few of the changing design choice and production delay rumours on the iPhone X have been true this year.

The thing is, even at this late stage, Apple has the cash to dig itself out of most problems and minimise or even eradicate delays. So you can't really compare Apple's ability to respond with other companies were they faced with a similar situation.

We've seen an indicator of this already with them making extra production equipment available on lease back for their suppliers.
 
Last edited:
I don't think anyone is looking forward to an iphone 7s lineup. Iterative designs are not going to sell. The newly designed iPhone 8 on the other hand from rumours will move like greased lightning.

The S variant needs to be the rumour that doesn't happen imo. Having three designs is just not a good choice, sure less retooling but people won't do 4 years of this old design and the new one is cutting edge. All apple buyers can afford the same device if apple only put all its eggs in the new basket. Splitting it up again is only going to add to the production costs of the new design. I hope I'm wrong.
You're totally right, I have no idea why Apple is pushing the 7S still. Maybe just to say they're not moving away from their normal upgrade cycle, I don't know. I mean even if the 8 does cost $1200, no one is buying it outright. Even at $700, no one buys the current iPhone outright. People will finance it thru their phone carrier, and it'll be $40/ month instead of $25.

I agree, it's a waste of time, resources, and money. If the rumors of the 8 being delayed are true, than Apple should nix the 7S and use all the manpower and machinery to bump up initial supplies at launch, instead of wasting all that on a phone hardly anyone is going to buy, while restrict supplies of the phone everyone wants.

Lastly, you may actually be right in the S variant not happening. Up until today's rumor (which I don't believe) the 7S was believed to be on track, yet we had hardly any rumors and literally no parts leaks (and no one noticed bc all the hype is on the 8). I had attributed that to Apple's ability to finally double down on security, but what if the phone just doesn't exist. All the rumors pointed to one of the most marginally upgraded S variants to begin with...
 
It's a wait and see game

The problem is even if Apple were to publicly state that these rumors are false many would not believe Apple. People WANT to believe negativity. People WANT to believe conspiracy theories. These rumors are so prevalent and coordinated that even if reality eventually contradicts them, reality itself will be questioned rather than the rumor. If the new iPhones are released and available on schedule the rumor mill will come up with something nefarious to explain reality, like “Apple did this on purpose to generate hype.”
 
You're totally right, I have no idea why Apple is pushing the 7S still . . . .

I fear Apple are pushing the 7S so that they can introduce a new increased pricing tier for the 8.

Previously the 7 would've just moved down a tier, but with the 7S they can attempt the spin to keep it at the current top level price point.
 
I don't care about shortages, its not like we need new iPhones to survive. What I care about is that once I pay the $500-700 I get a functioning phone as advertised without pink tints and green hues on the sides of the screen.

late purchase is better than a bad purchase
 
  • Like
Reactions: 5105973
I don't care about shortages, its not like we need new iPhones to survive. What I care about is that once I pay the $500-700 I get a functioning phone as advertised without pink tints and green hues on the sides of the screen.

late purchase is better than a bad purchase

The iPhone 8 is rumoured to be around $1000 not $500-$700, i get your point tho. I'd rather they delay it and iron out any problems than have a £1000 device that has issues. It's 1 of the the reason's why i buy Apple products, ever since i started using them years ago i've never had an issue.
 
I fear Apple are pushing the 7S so that they can introduce a new increased pricing tier for the 8.

Previously the 7 would've just moved down a tier, but with the 7S they can attempt the spin to keep it at the current top level price point.

Yet if there are THREE models of the '8' coming out, they could kill the 7s and just have cheaper, cheap, and mindbogglingly expensive.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 5105973
Yet if there are THREE models of the '8' coming out, they could kill the 7s and just have cheaper, cheap, and mindbogglingly expensive.

I partially agree in that I don't think they should've planned to release a 7S if they were going for a completely new design flagship this year.
 
New iOS always launched with new iPhone debut. That means no iOS11 until December? I doubt it.

iOS 11 will be delivered in September as usual.
Even if they won't launch iPhone 8 a lot of devices will benefit from iOS 11, especially iPads. There are no reasons to delay iOS 11.
 
In other news: AirPods are still on a 6 week delay. One would think that they would have figured out how to mass produce these 8 months after they launched.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 5105973
No but if it comes with missing features, missing accessories and shortage in stock... Then it's not an anniversary to celebrate.

I think you've summed up the situation very succinctly and it would definitely have a negative effect on Apple's anniversary launch were all or even some of these rumours to prove true.
 
I partially agree in that I don't think they should've planned to release a 7S if they were going for a completely new design flagship this year.

At one point, in the past, didn't Apple actively offer three different generations of iPhone at the same time?

The duplicity, the muddled features, the crazy bugs. I mean, they all get in the way...
 
I have an iPhone 6s and I'm tempted to wait for the 2018 iPhone with the all the reports of delay, rumoured manufacturing issues and design compromises with touch id. Not saying there will problems but I'm a little concerned. Apple has had issues with complete redesigns with their phones; iPhone 4 with antennagate, iPhone 5 with black paint peeling and light leak and iPhone 6 with touch disease.

I'm also hoping that 2018 brings two size variants for the iPhone 8s or whatever it is called.
 
  • Like
Reactions: KeanosMagicHat
In other news: AirPods are still on a 6 week delay. One would think that they would have figured out how to mass produce these 8 months after they launched.

While i agree they are massively backlogged apparently, they seem to be really popular. I wonder if the HomePod will suffer the same fate tho.
 
I fear Apple are pushing the 7S so that they can introduce a new increased pricing tier for the 8.

Previously the 7 would've just moved down a tier, but with the 7S they can attempt the spin to keep it at the current top level price point.
I agree, but my point is, no one is taking $1200 or $700 out of their pocket at one time to buy an iPhone. They finance it thru their carrier, which will only amount to roughly a $15 or $20 increase per month. Not a whole lot of extra money to get the latest and greatest tech. Therefore, I still think no one is going to buy the 7S because the barrier to entry of the 8 isn't that much greater. This, combined with the fact that it's expected to be least upgraded S model ever and the 8 is expected to be completely revamped, results in the 7S failing/being a was of time and resources.
 
Absolutely true. But Apple didn't NEED to announce that it would be available in September. They should drop their insistence on clockwork release cycles. Just release the new hardware when it's ready. They used to do that.

At what point did Apple announce "it" would be available in September? Hint: NEVER

Apple has not announced a new iPhone or iPhones. They have not announced names, specs, and definitely not shipping dates.

An unannounced device with no shipping date can't be late.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Duane Martin
At what point did Apple announce "it" would be available in September? Hint: NEVER

Apple has not announced a new iPhone or iPhones. They have not announced names, specs, and definitely not shipping dates.

An unannounced device with no shipping date can't be late.

Not for us as customers, maybe, but it can definitely be late in terms of market expectations from shareholders and business analysts.

Many of whom are already reporting it as likely to be "late" - in their words, not mine.
 
7S? Solder the A11 down instead and increase the camera resolution. Use Gorilla Glass V.12 or whatever. Offer it in orange to make the Dutch happy. Ship it.
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.