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I think most people are missing what is absolutely wrong with the 5C and don't understand why some of us show so much concern.

The 5C is absolutely the opposite of what Jobs would've done. At least in his best years.

Apple line up has always consisted of: High-end product and a lower-spec convenient device.

Remember the iPods?? There was this big HDD iPod, and then different breeds of more portable, cheaper and with less capacity iPod line.

Remember the MacBooks?? A 13" cheaper policarbonate MB and the 15" and 17" high end aluminium.

Along came the MBA being ultraportable and expensive. Somewhere in the line it became the entry price computer replacing the white Macbook.

Then the iPad and the iPad mini. Not only the iPad mini is cheaper, but it serves a different function than the iPad.


Do you see the patron there? The iPhone 5C doesn't fit in.

Basically what Apple is saying is: We will sell you last year scraps, in a new beautifully colored enclosure, costing 84% of the current flagship while offering 50% the computing power. But not only that!! We will give you technology that we just announced we plan on killing in the mid term because we are moving to 64 bit. Furthermore instead of lowering the price of the 5C accordingly to the lowered manufacturing cost, we will rise our margins, because we think everyone is stupid!!

Why does this bother me?? Because I'm not quite sure people is smart enough to not get the 5C. The 5C will kill Apple in the long run if it is successful.

Instead of Apple lowering prices innovating, just like with the MacBook Air. They will go by the numbers, and rise margins by lowering manufacturing complexity, in which in some cases imply lowering quality. If Apple is successful enough, it will infect the high-end devices as well hindering innovations.

Bottom line is. Apple has suffered a biggest shift in its vision, than I thought.

Job's Apple: We will give you the best product in the world. We will innovate like no other company in the globe, but we will charge you accordingly and a bit more to keep on funding innovation.

Cook's Apple: We will try by all means to reduce our manufacturing costs. But we will still sell you expensive, because you know what? We don't sell cheap stuff. Innovation?? The market is all about iteration.

The iPhone 5C is Apple's first product in a DECADE or more, that brings absolutely nothing new to the table. Absolutely nothing!!!!

Quite melodromatic here.

1) On a pure spec basis, the iPhone 5C is much closer to the iPhone 5S than the iPad mini is to the iPad 4 (I say this as an iPad mini owner that sold an iPad 3 due to non use)
2) There may be "50% of the computing power," but as far as running iOS7 and completing the main functions, the phones are basically identical as of now

The phone is just presenting buyers with a new option in a case which has been deemed by basically anyone that has touched it as attractive

And Apple continues to "innovate" as exemplified by the 5S, the Mac Pro, Macbook Retina (I am eagerly waiting the new Macbook Pro 13" Retina), etc. Calm down.
 
the C is the same thing as the 5. Just get the 5 at walmart for free or $49 bucks. Tho Walmart also has the 5c for 79 bucks...

issue is you have to go to Walmart and I hate that place. Don't like how they treat their employees and the people who go there are questionable
 
Because Resolution is everything! Or specs in general. If you think It's nice to have an unoptimized phone app strettched up to full HD, then go for it.
Uh, screen resolution IS important. Specs ARE important. When you were giving me **** for commenting on fit and finish without having a tactile experience with the phone you had a good point. I gave a subjective opinion of an item I've seen but not held or operated. Here you're obviously just towing Apple's line (hmm). 'That's not good for Apple so the objective no longer matters.'
If i was Apple I also would be insulted by such unjustified low-price-anticipations in spite of the high built quality of the 5c. Go check it before you talk about something you have no idea about.
Wow. Apple replaces a phone that looked like it was made by a jeweler (as had been the standard for a few years) with one that looks like someone slapped a $10 case on it, left the price the same and they're the ones who should be insulted.
 
All this "Jobs would never do this" talk - what a bunch of crap. Of course he would. He did! Remember the plastic MacBook? That was fine for him and beloved by many, despite cracking problems. This was a smart move by Apple, IMO. Had they attempted to offer the iPhone 5 at a discount, it would likely have been an 8gb model to make up for the costs associated with the materials and production of the shell. And 8gb iPhones fit very few lifestyles these days. I haven't seen a single review that didn't note the high quality feel of the 5c shell. So Apple is now able to bring us usable size mid-level iPhones. I'm glad, this is what I want and need. I don't like the 5/5s aluminum shell. I can't possibly use the speed of the A7 with what I do. Bring on plastic!
 
I think the majority of folks on MacRumors Forums are self-preceived "techies". In that sense, we'd probably gravitate toward the 5s instead of the 5c.

A more interesting observation made during ATP [Accidental Tech Podcast] is that Apple's promoting the 5c more heavily than the 5s; they argued that this is more strategic for the masses, just as they market MacBook Air more than MacBook Pro.

I think we'll be surprised to guess [via Asymco] that the mix of 5c was probably higher than that of 5s. The 5s is the Pro line, while the 5c is the Consumer/mainstream line.

I'm a techie and fingerprint technology and better camera are less tempting than the 5C's form factor. I loved the 3G form factor and it makes me want a 5C.
 
I wanted to love the 5C, but at the price it's impossible for me. @ a $100 difference I can't justify that purchase.
 
I'm a techie and fingerprint technology and better camera are less tempting than the 5C's form factor. I loved the 3G form factor and it makes me want a 5C.
If the 5c was available in Purple [my favorite color], I would have probably purchased a 5c instead of a gold 5s.
 
Obviously there is going to be more interest in the 5s as it is Apple's flagship phone, but to say that there's no interest in the 5C is just silly.
 
Had they attempted to offer the iPhone 5 at a discount, it would likely have been an 8gb model to make up for the costs associated with the materials and production of the shell.
8 gigs of memory isn't going to bridge the plastic vs. aluminum/glass difference.
So Apple is now able to bring us usable size mid-level iPhones.
Apple used to offer the previous model of premium phone at the same price as this "mid-level" phone. AWESOME!
Bring on plastic!
And so it begins...
 
All this "Jobs would never do this" talk - what a bunch of crap. Of course he would. He did! Remember the plastic MacBook? That was fine for him and beloved by many, despite cracking problems. This was a smart move by Apple, IMO. Had they attempted to offer the iPhone 5 at a discount, it would likely have been an 8gb model to make up for the costs associated with the materials and production of the shell. And 8gb iPhones fit very few lifestyles these days. I haven't seen a single review that didn't note the high quality feel of the 5c shell. So Apple is now able to bring us usable size mid-level iPhones. I'm glad, this is what I want and need. I don't like the 5/5s aluminum shell. I can't possibly use the speed of the A7 with what I do. Bring on plastic!

You beat me to this, but yea, the "Steve wouldn't do this" is absolute bullshiite (that's not a typo, it's a religious cow).

Jobs was most well known among his peers as being amazing at two things, his taste and his ability to change his mind on a dime. He HATED the idea of anything other than web apps for the original iPhone, right up until he praised the App Store as Apple's gift from god.

He sold candy colored iMacs and iBooks, then switched to white plastic, then to aluminum. He made GOLD iPod minis and then got rid of them six months later.

If Jobs thought that eschewing skeuomorphism would have improved the product in the long term (for example, if it worked with the hardware design that Ive sold him on) then I have no doubt he'd support a re-design. Compare OS X Cheetah (10.0) to OS X Lion (10.7) in terms of its use of Aqua style elements. It is the same underlying code, but Apple moved away from fruity toward sleek as Macs went from fruity to...well, look at the hardware you're reading this on (if you're not on mobile).

If anything, the 5C could very well be argued to be the future of the iPhone. The polycarbonate is incredibly well done, and if you reversed the specs and the 5c had the A7, the M7, Touch ID, etc... I doubt as many of you would be saying it was the ugly stepchild.

Also, fundamentally, we are not the audience for Apple anymore. Why? We own iPhones, most likely the 5. They aren't going to sell customers who "just" (in their minds) bought a new expensive device while they're not upgrade eligible.

The 5c is more than good enough for someone upgrading from a 4 or 4S. The fact that it's not "last year's model" means that you can expect it to be well supported by iOS 8 and even iOS 9 (two year lifecycle is standard).

And the price point, well, if I'm looking at my 4S, $99 and a chance to get a color that'll make my girlfriends jealous...well...that's not a bad deal (or my kid, who wants his or her first smartphone, and all their friends have Androids in colors)

In short, we're like the guys complaining when Apple introduces Final Cut Pro X and aims the feature set for the general prosumer. Or when they stop producing the 17 inch MBP. Guess what, when they don't think you're going to buy their next big thing in bulk, they'll focus on the people who will. That's how Apple won the last decade. I don't see why they'd change that strategy now.
 
I think the simple answer is this: People ordering on day one care more about their phone...The 5c is a great phone, there is nothing wrong with my iPhone 5, but I bought it off contract so I had an upgrade available.

People attracted to the 5c will be waiting till their contract expires, don't want to wait in line and could just order online. Or just walk into a carrier store and get one.

I talked to a few people in line that ordered 5c's for other family members. Some people don't need to have the latest and greatest features, and prefer to have something they think looks nice.
 
"People who buy the 5c aren't the same people who are buying the 5s on opening day. They will be people who go into the phone store when their contract runs out and want a cheap iPhone. I would not be surprised if the 5s outsells the 5c when it is all said and done"

That is such a load of bull. I've been an Apple user since I was in elementary school the 80's when that's what my classrooms used. My first computer in high school was an Apple.

I am also a big geek. I have always been into tech. That said I am also really cautious how I spend my money. Last year I spent a good chunk if change on a top line plasma tv, and some new ones came out that are sexy but I cannot justify upgrading again. I know some people do when I'm on the AV forums - every one or two years. I love tech but I'm also sensible. I upgrade my gaming rig often because I game a lot, my iPad too since its my main computing device (although on alternating cycles to get the most out of my money), and I pre order the lastest consoles and handhelds and update my router and modem to keep up with improvements to my network and speeds.

That said, I myself cannot find a real reason to upgrade to the 5S despite the improvements. Take away the Touch ID and the minor camera improvements to someone who owns a nice digital camera, two features which are frivolous to me, what do I have? The faster A7? I don't game on my iphone. It's primarily a phone to me. I make calls, text, use email, safari and
read the news on Pulse and Flipboard. I also take casual pictures when out with friends or family. I have no need to upgrade to the 5s when I rather wait for the 6s or if this trend continues, the 6c.

My current phone has a smashed screen because my daughter dropped it. The home button also doesn't work after that drop she made. I rather use my upgrade and pay 99 instead of 199 for a phone that is still a great smart phone.

And when I said if I would get a 6c if this trend continues instead of a 6s when I can get a new upgrade, I mean that. As much as I love my 4s, and the way it looks with its glass and aluminum ... I hate the way it feels in my hand. I prefer the way the 3GS felt in my hand. Also, I really do like the way the color models with the plastic backing looks better than the current design for the 5 and 5s, which does not look as nice as the 4 and 4s in MY opinion.

It's odd. Once upon a time before the iPhone came out, this kind of attacking people's Apple product choices never really happened. Whether they got a pro or an iMac or a MacBook instead of a MacBook Pro. Seems the introduction of the iPhone has brought about a lot of disparagement about the type of people who buy a certain Apple product over another. Maybe I am generalizing here but that's how it seems to me. Never used to be that way. At least not to the degree it is now. Always been an Apple fan and I loved other Apple fans because it used to be more of a community around the various Apple products. Now it's just attacks on people or generalization about the type of people who get a certain Apple product. I guess I buy what I like and not worry about having the biggest e-peen.
 
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As long as orders go on, it is evident that people are not interested in 5c.... 5s gold option completely out of stock in less than 20 minutes! even 64 gb option by at&t is going out... what do you think?

I think your imagining things.

5C's were selling briskly based on what I saw this morning.

Apple may be constraining 5S supplies to influence the sale of 5C models.

I wouldn't put anything past Apple, they are the masters of milking everything.
 
I'm still using a 4S and have not bought an iPhone since then having bought my 4S in January.

If I were to get a new iPhone, it would be the 5C mostly because of the price.

I have no plans to buy a new iPhone any time soon, maybe next year.
 
I known a good amount of people who are really excited for the color options and solely on the fact that apple is opening up on choices. I think this is a pretty big step to have a pro phone and a more consumer streamlined phone.
 
That is such a load of bull.

What is bull? The fact is, most people that lined up outside stores today were there for the 5s. That doesn't mean 100% of the people were. But the fact is, once the rush is over, many people are going to buy a new phone when their contract is up are going to pick the 5c over the 5s because of the price and colors.
 
As long as orders go on, it is evident that people are not interested in 5c.... 5s gold option completely out of stock in less than 20 minutes! even 64 gb option by at&t is going out... what do you think?
I can't believe you started a thread on this...ah, well, it is called MacRumors, so I guess anything goes. :rolleyes:

They ran out of stock on the 5s gold because they haven't made enough to keep up with demand. They have actually made more 5c iphones than 5s at this point, because it takes longer to get production up to speed on the newest iPhone...every time, it's the same thing.

Apple will likely sell more 5c iphones in the first few weeks than 5s because of availability of the 5c, and getting production ramped up on the 5s.
 
The bull is in making generalizations about who would purchase the 5c. I'm big on tech but I also spend my money wisely and upgrade when I feel it's worth it to upgrade. For the 6 or 6s, yes. Spend the extra 100 for the 5s? Not for me.

The bull is people being so antagonistic on these forums and the apple community for the most part was never this bad.
 
I can't believe you started a thread on this...ah, well, it is called MacRumors, so I guess anything goes. :rolleyes:

They ran out of stock on the 5s gold because they haven't made enough to keep up with demand. They have actually made more 5c iphones than 5s at this point, because it takes longer to get production up to speed on the newest iPhone...every time, it's the same thing.

Apple will likely sell more 5c iphones in the first few weeks than 5s because of availability of the 5c, and getting production ramped up on the 5s.

I'm not sure about other countries, but plenty of availability of the 5s. You could have walked into any shop on launch day & picked one up.
 
Iphone 5c is cheap plastic now. if they released after 3GS it would have made sense. I think with iOS7, all these collaboration talks the apple leaders are trying to show that they are different from Steve jobs vision and will succeed.
 
Admittedly, people are getting out of hand here on passing judgement about people just because they bought a 5S or 5C, or what color they bought.

The "girly men buy white iPhones" thing was bad enough before. Now we've got people making all kinds of crazy generalizations.

What color (or model) iPhone you buy has absolutely nothing to do with your earnings, your gender, or your sexuality.

And your tastes, people, are subjective. What may be good taste to you might be bad taste to someone else.
 
I've got a in-store pickup order set up for a 32GB Blue 5c at Best Buy actually, I'll be picking it up on the way home from work.

Mark my words: By this time next year, the iPhone 5c will be the better seller.

All the day one, lineup-up-outside diehards are going to want the 5s, so of course the 5c isn't selling particularly well.

Joe SixPack and Suzie Q that don't care about a fingerprint reader and the extra thousand pixels on their photo sensor...they'll be picking up the 5c. It's in fun colors and it's cheaper. That's what most people look at.

Hehe were you the dude debating about upgrading from the 4 at all? I've upgraded to, Apple's newest phones sure are lovely! Hehe
 
Hehe were you the dude debating about upgrading from the 4 at all? I've upgraded to, Apple's newest phones sure are lovely! Hehe

Yeah, I snapped. I figure if I wait another year I would get next to nothing for my iPhone 4. Right now I can probably get close to $200 for it via Amazon/eBay, essentially making this a free upgrade.

I just got an unlock approval from AT&T so I'll be putting it up for sale as an unlocked phone later today, probably on Amazon.
 
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